zen Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 When will Ind get over the curse of Tuk Tuk top order batsmen? … Highly rated based on meaningless stats and/or technique but likely to screw their own team in knockout games Today (KKR v CSK 2021 final), Gill 51 off 43 (SR of 119 over a massive 43 balls, i.e. not 10-12 balls) in a game where his team was chasing 190+ (Required SR 160+) Sgattick10, speedheat, The Dark Horse and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chakdephatte Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) Can't generalize Indian openers. We also have Ishan, Shaw, and Mayank. We have every kind of opener available. Just that selectors keep rewarding these 80's styled openers. And our commentators start jumping when someone runs a single after a boundary. Edited October 15, 2021 by Chakdephatte vvvslaxman, Sunil_narine024, Cricspin and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moochad Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 When the current gen retires. Would like to see V Iyer in the wT20 side Sgattick10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestic Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) Indian batsman with strike rate below 130 but over 400 runs in this season:- Dhawan 587 runs, S/R 124 Gill 478 runs, S/R 119 Pant 419 runs, S/R 128 Devdutt 411 runs, S/R 125 Kohli 405 runs, S/R 119 Also, not to forget, Rohit 381 runs, S/R 127 Edited October 15, 2021 by Majestic nevada, Cricspin, New guy and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Selectors and ex cricketers glorify batsmen pacing/building their innings, I guess they don't understand it at all,do they? Even if they build ,they should have compensated for dots conceded early in the innings,but they fail to capitalise on time and deliveries they consume while in their stay at the crease,no Indian batsmen does that Indian cricket fraternity tends to make fun of batsmen going for runs from ball 1,Sehwag is a great batsman still is talked about in a funny way while tutukies are part of serious conversations If not for his 2 triple tons ,he wouldn't have got the "whatever little" respect he commands now Never mind,there comes a time when these cricket pundits will have to eat crow and chew their words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 Gill 51 off 43 (SR 119), so for other batsmen the task is 142 off 77 (SR 184) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgattick10 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Kohli/Gill SR lol Roydeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgattick10 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Also we need to understand the ones who strike at 150+ will not be consiastent but on their day will win the match. Gotta give them a bit leeway Roydeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) 120s SR is acceptable if you play 10 or so balls, so you are say 12 off 10 with a couple of 4s, 4 singles and a couple of dots (including one if you get out) B/w 11-20 balls, a batsman should be trying to hit a boundary of every 3rd ball, so say 2-3 4s (if not 6s) & a few singles = 15-20 off next 10 So your overall SR after 20 balls is now 135-160 If you play more than 20 balls on such surfaces, you would need to cut loose ideally going for 15-20 runs overs to set it up for other batsmen and bat the other team out of the game Edited October 15, 2021 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensible-indian Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 We celebrate stat boosters. Thats the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoonyaSifar Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Hardik Pandya 12 matches, 127 runs@14, SR 113, main reason why MI missed out in a playoff spot But naah, a 22 year who is still evolving his T20 game should be the target. BTW Ruturaj Gaikwad scored 32(27) today, SR of 120. Roydeep, kohli, nevada and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl_out Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 High time the T20I side gets revamped.. IPL should be the criteria to pick T20I side.. ODI and Test sides can be picked on the basis of other domestic tournaments. Want to see V Iyer, Shaw, Ruturaj, Kishan become regulars in the T20I side Roydeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Get lost Gill..spoiled all the good work by Iyer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK_IH Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Majestic said: Indian batsman with strike rate below 130 but over 400 runs in this season:- Dhawan 587 runs, S/R 124 Gill 478 runs, S/R 119 Pant 419 runs, S/R 128 Devdutt 411 runs, S/R 125 Kohli 405 runs, S/R 119 Also, not to forget, Rohit 381 runs, S/R 127 Pant sticking out like a sore thumb in that list. He is one of our better T20 batsmen but he looks confused between exploding and building an innings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarcastic Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, SK_IH said: Pant sticking out like a sore thumb in that list. He is one of our better T20 batsmen but he looks confused between exploding and building an innings. 128 is not a bad strike rate in this ipl edition. I m pretty sure the average score in this ipl is around 150 and that corresponds to 125. Anything over that is not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK_IH Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, sarcastic said: 128 is not a bad strike rate in this ipl edition. I m pretty sure the average score in this ipl is around 150 and that corresponds to 125. Anything over that is not bad. Thats no excuse, Maxwell showed that you could still score @150 strike rate here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestic Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, SK_IH said: Pant sticking out like a sore thumb in that list. He is one of our better T20 batsmen but he looks confused between exploding and building an innings. Stats padding is what he is inheriting from his seniors- Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, Rahul. The only problem in his case is it might not work for him at all. He is at his best when he bats aggressively and score quick runs. I am sure there will be a point when Shaw and Kishan will also realise that to get into Indian team or be ahead in contention, the need of the hour will be being among top run scorers rather than striking at 150. Edited October 16, 2021 by Majestic SK_IH and nevada 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevada Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Never, because for selection in India, stats take precedence over impact. When batsmen come out to bat, they should stop showing total number of IPL runs, average etc. Instead, they should show number of impact innings like # of innings above 150 SR, 180, 200 SR etc, player of the match awards, average with SR in play-off games, etc. If a batsman has piled up 5000 IPL runs at 125 SR and goes AWOL in big games, he is no good. Roydeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevada Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, Majestic said: Stats padding is what he is inheriting from his seniors- Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, Rahul. The only problem in his case is it might not work for him at all. He is at his best when he bats aggressively and score quick runs. I am sure there will be a point when Shaw and Kishan will also realise that to get into Indian team or be ahead in contention, the need of the hour will be being among top run scorers rather than striking at 150. Among the slow batting vets, only Rahul is capable of explosive batting whereas the rest have no other choice than to take a low risk, stat padding approach. Pant is just 24 and batting like a washed up 34 year old! Where is that explosive batsman who used to destroy attacks without fear just 3-4 years ago? His is probably the biggest U-turn in batting style in the entire IPL. Despite having big hitters like Stoinis and Hetmeyer, he is batting slow. Has captaincy ruined his batting? Has he assumed a non playing role outsorurcing the hitting to hired guns? Shreyas Iyer is another stinker in their lineup. DC have gone from being exciting to watch to predictably dull and underwhelming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 16, 2021 Author Share Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, nevada said: Never, because for selection in India, stats take precedence over impact. When batsmen come out to bat, they should stop showing total number of IPL runs, average etc. Instead, they should show number of impact innings like # of innings above 150 SR, 180, 200 SR etc, player of the match awards, average with SR in play-off games, etc. If a batsman has piled up 5000 IPL runs at 125 SR and goes AWOL in big games, he is no good. Not many (including commentators) comprehend the depth of stats, therefore rely on basic metrics like runs scored and wickets taken. SR is also dependent on batting position (the lower you bat, more chances of having more hit or miss innings) and number of ball faced (someone with a SR of 120 having faced 10 balls can be better in terms of less negative impact than someone with a SR of 121 after having faced 30 balls on good batting surfaces. But in general just by looking at #s, many are going to think that the guy with a SR of 121 after playing 30 balls is better in terms of less negative impact!). Edited October 16, 2021 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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