Vijy Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 hour ago, zen said: If we are talking about "stats" can't go by the basic overall #s: Sachin Sachin played 63 tests versus Eng, NZ, SL, ZIM, BD & WI (lost its steam when Sachin played most of its tests) to avg 69 In 36 tests versus Aus, SA, & Pak, he averages 44 In the 90s, when playing against strong attacks/teams, Sachin could go like below: Innings by innings list Runs Mins BF 4s 6s SR Pos Dismissal Inns Opposition Ground Start Date 10 12 11 2 0 90.90 4 caught 2 v Australia Delhi 10 Oct 1996 Test # 1335 0 6 7 0 0 0.00 4 bowled 4 v Australia Delhi 10 Oct 1996 Test # 1335 42 80 64 7 0 65.62 4 caught 1 v South Africa Ahmedabad 20 Nov 1996 Test # 1338 7 43 33 1 0 21.21 4 caught 3 v South Africa Ahmedabad 20 Nov 1996 Test # 1338 18 91 62 3 0 29.03 4 bowled 2 v South Africa Kolkata 27 Nov 1996 Test # 1341 2 28 25 0 0 8.00 4 caught 4 v South Africa Kolkata 27 Nov 1996 Test # 1341 61 211 173 4 1 35.26 4 caught 1 v South Africa Kanpur 8 Dec 1996 Test # 1344 36 129 98 4 0 36.73 5 caught 3 v South Africa Kanpur 8 Dec 1996 Test # 1344 15 58 45 2 0 33.33 4 bowled 2 v South Africa Durban 26 Dec 1996 Test # 1347 4 32 25 1 0 16.00 4 caught 4 v South Africa Durban 26 Dec 1996 Test # 1347 169 329 254 26 0 66.53 5 caught 2 v South Africa Cape Town 2 Jan 1997 Test # 1349 9 38 28 1 0 32.14 5 caught 4 v South Africa Cape Town 2 Jan 1997 Test # 1349 35 72 55 7 0 63.63 4 caught 1 v South Africa Johannesburg 16 Jan 1997 Test # 1350 9 13 11 2 0 81.81 4 caught 3 v South Africa Johannesburg 16 Jan 1997 Test # 1350 136 405 273 18 0 49.81 4 caught 4 v Pakistan Chennai 28 Jan 1999 Test # 1442 6 13 11 1 0 54.54 4 lbw 1 v Pakistan Delhi 4 Feb 1999 Test # 1443 29 99 65 4 0 44.61 4 caught 3 v Pakistan Delhi 4 Feb 1999 Test # 1443 0 2 1 0 0 0.00 5 bowled 2 v Pakistan Kolkata 16 Feb 1999 Test # 1444 9 18 13 1 0 69.23 4 run out 4 v Pakistan Kolkata 16 Feb 1999 Test # 1444 11 35 24 1 0 45.83 4 run out 2 v South Africa Durban 13 Nov 1992 Test # 1200 111 373 270 19 0 41.11 4 caught 2 v South Africa Johannesburg 26 Nov 1992 Test # 1201 1 6 5 0 0 20.00 4 lbw 4 v South Africa Johannesburg 26 Nov 1992 Test # 1201 6 27 17 1 0 35.29 4 caught 1 v South Africa Port Elizabeth 26 Dec 1992 Test # 1206 0 1 1 0 0 0.00 4 caught 3 v South Africa Port Elizabeth 26 Dec 1992 Test # 1206 73 272 208 8 1 35.09 5 caught 2 v South Africa Cape Town 2 Jan 1993 Test # 1209 DNB - - - - - - - 4 v South Africa Cape Town 2 Jan 1993 Test # 1209 Kohli SENA are stronger teams. Kohli has played 72 of his 99 tests against these teams at an avg of 48. I would not consider WI a weak bowling attack till 1999-2000 and Tendu did well enough in the 8 tests he played before then. apart from the usual suspects of Amby, Walsh, and Bishop, I always felt that WI had two good spinners that they failed to nurture properly... a cricket watcher in that era would also remember ramnarine and neil mcgarrell. this doesn't change the overall stats much, but it was worth pointing out because WI was still a very fine team in the 90s, which is when SRT played bulk of his first 100 tests. nevada and Lone Wolf 2 Link to comment
Nikola Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Rantzz said: Let’s not forget Sachin had protection of other all time great batsmen in sehwag, Dravid (who I rate higher in tests), laxman etc so he could take shelter in non striker end when the dangerous bowlers were on (which he did often) and then could feast on lesser bowlers Sachin for first 100 test hardly had anyone of those. Laxman became better post 2001, Sehwag debuted in 2001 & started opening later. Dravid too hit peak around 2000/01. Sachin had already played what 85 odd test matches till then & this comparison is of first 100 tests. 6 minutes ago, Rantzz said: kohli had no such benefit with rotating openers, useless Count Dracula and hahane Pujara & Rahane have more match winning century knock than kohli. Also don't forget the most important series we won in SENA had Pujara, Pant & Rahane's contribution. 6 minutes ago, Rantzz said: also Sachin had benefit of playing likes of Zimbabwe , NZ when they were poor etc Check NZ tour sachin has faced hadlee in 90 & bond in 2002/03 series which was on total green tops. Vijy 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Sunny G had an avg of 52.5 after 100 tests. if we are talking of X vs Kohli, then "X" should not just be SRT but also Gavaskar and Dravid. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rantzz said: Let’s not forget Sachin had protection of other all time great batsmen in sehwag, Dravid (who I rate higher in tests), laxman etc so he could take shelter in non striker end when the dangerous bowlers were on (which he did often) and then could feast on lesser bowlers kohli had no such benefit with rotating openers, useless Count Dracula and hahane also Sachin had benefit of playing likes of Zimbabwe , NZ when they were poor etc That is untrue. Despite being at the raw end of umpires during Australian tour he was the only one who stood out in Australian tour in 1999. Dravid averaged like 11 or something. Same way during the epic chennai Test. Everyone went missing. Everyone was clueless bar Sachin. When Sehwag started as opener, Dravid found his peak Sachin had already played 11 or 12 years of cricket. Real test for Kohli is finding second peak. He had 4 good consecutive years. Sachin averaged over 60 five consecutive yeras averaged 50 plus 6 conseuctive years. Even the later part he had average like 55, 48, 67, 78, 47 for 5 years in a row. Sachin never had mega peaks. But was very consistent. Kohli has so far played well against one set of bowlers in one era. Sachin went through different set of bowlers in different eras and was able to do well. New challenge for Kohli is to show that he can turn it around by finding another peak. He looked all set to achieve greater things by the end of 2018. He had made 6600 runs by 2018. Now 2022. He is stuck at 8000 runs. 3 or 4 great years? Many decent batsmen have achieved that in their life. Just look at Kallis consistency and compare with Kohli's consistency. Kohli is not even remotely close to Kallis's consistency. Kallis career nevada, raki05 and Vijy 3 Link to comment
Vijy Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: That is untrue. Despite being at the raw end of umpires during Australian tour he was the only one who stood out in Australian tour in 1999. Dravid averaged like 11 or something. Same way during the epic chennai Test. Everyone went missing. Everyone was clueless bar Sachin. When Sehwag started as opener, Dravid found his peak Sachin had already played 11 or 12 years of cricket. Real test for Kohli is finding second peak. He had 4 good consecutive years. Sachin averaged over 60 five consecutive yeras averaged 50 plus 6 conseuctive years. Even the later part he had average like 55, 48, 67, 78, 47 for 5 years in a row. Sachin never had mega peaks. But was very consistent. Kohli has so far played well against one set of bowlers in one era. Sachin went through different set of bowlers in different eras and was able to do well. New challenge for Kohli is to show that he can turn it around by finding another peak. He looked all set to achieve greater things by the end of 2018. He had made 6600 runs by 2018. Now 2022. He is stuck at 8000 runs. 3 or 4 great years? Many decent batsmen have achieved that in their life. Just look at Kallis consistency and compare with Kohli's consistency. Kohli is not even remotely close to Kallis's consistency. Kallis career kallis was the greatest player of last 50 yr, i.e., post-sobers. there can be no question of that. regardless of what one thinks of his batting (which I regard as amazingly consistent and good), there's also his bowling and (slip) fielding. Edited March 4, 2022 by Vijy nevada 1 Link to comment
Clarke Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 22 minutes ago, Vijy said: I would not consider WI a weak bowling attack till 1999-2000 and Tendu did well enough in the 8 tests he played before then. apart from the usual suspects of Amby, Walsh, and Bishop, I always felt that WI had two good spinners that they failed to nurture properly... a cricket watcher in that era would also remember ramnarine and neil mcgarrell. this doesn't change the overall stats much, but it was worth pointing out because WI was still a very fine team in the 90s, which is when SRT played bulk of his first 100 tests. Why bother with WI, are SA & Aus anywhere as good as they were in 90s ? What about facing Pak of all teams, Wasim Waqar Shoaib Saqlain was a terrific bowling attack. Only NZ is the better team now than earlier. You really think Sachin didn't have as much drive as Kohli since he wasn't the BC MC type ? It was simply a case of being a gentleman with a volcano inside & a calm demeanor outside. South_Paw and raki05 2 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Clarke said: Aus anywhere as good as they were in 90s Aus are quite good when you compare it with the 90s side, Australia started to look formidable from 98-99,before that they were good, Present Australia if not better ,is as good as those sides Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, Suhaan said: Aus are quite good when you compare it with the 90s side, Australia started to look formidable from 98-99,before that they were good, Present Australia if not better ,is as good as those sides I think he is saying the same. Link to comment
kohli Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 46 minutes ago, Vijy said: Sunny G had an avg of 52.5 after 100 tests. if we are talking of X vs Kohli, then "X" should not just be SRT but also Gavaskar and Dravid. Dravid had an avg of 57.79 after 100 test even marginally better than sachin . Vijy 1 Link to comment
Gambit Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 MOST TOP-SCORES IN AN INNINGS AFTER 99 TESTS TABLE WITH 4 COLUMNS AND 10 ROWS. CURRENTLY DISPLAYING ROWS 1 TO 10. BATTER TOP SCORE INNS % INNS SUNIL GAVASKAR 52 174 29.89 BRIAN LARA 52 174 29.89 SACHIN TENDULKAR 44 159 27.67 YOUNIS KHAN 44 176 25.00 GRAHAM GOOCH 44 179 24.58 GORDON GREENIDGE 42 169 24.85 STEPHEN FLEMING 42 168 25.00 GEOFF BOYCOTT 42 175 24.00 VIRAT KOHLI 41 168 24.40 Telling stat about support. Link to comment
Stan AF Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 21 minutes ago, Suhaan said: Aus are quite good when you compare it with the 90s side, Australia started to look formidable from 98-99,before that they were good, Present Australia if not better ,is as good as those sides Steve waugh literally molded that side into a unbeatable unit. He stood by example with his batting and bailing them out at tough situations. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Stan AF said: Steve waugh literally molded that side into a unbeatable unit. He stood by example with his batting and bailing them out at tough situations. Real process was started by the task master Alan Border. Others like Taylor, Waugh, Ponting, Clarke made sure they got better or they didn't go below par. When Border took over in the 80s they were hopeless. Since then they were slightly above average. Link to comment
zen Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Vijy said: I would not consider WI a weak bowling attack till 1999-2000 and Tendu did well enough in the 8 tests he played before then. apart from the usual suspects of Amby, Walsh, and Bishop, I always felt that WI had two good spinners that they failed to nurture properly... a cricket watcher in that era would also remember ramnarine and neil mcgarrell. this doesn't change the overall stats much, but it was worth pointing out because WI was still a very fine team in the 90s, which is when SRT played bulk of his first 100 tests. Having watched Tendulkar in Tests, I was not confident in him dominating a series against strong attacks/teams. Like a Rahane, he would get you a 100 here and there and probably consider his job done for the series. Guys like Sehwag really stepped it up with big 100s. Dravid got multiple 100s in a series when in form. Laxman played some superb knocks under pressure. Only series (And Sachin has played the most # of series for any batsman) where I can say where he met his “hype” was the Aus tour of Ind in 1998 Link to comment
kohli Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, zen said: Having watched Tendulkar in Tests, I was not confident in him dominating a series against strong attacks/teams. Like a Rahane, he would get you a 100 here and there and probably consider his job done for the series. Guys like Sehwag really stepped it up with big 100s. Dravid got multiple 100s in a series when in form. Laxman played some superb knocks under pressure. Only series (And Sachin has played the most # of series for any batsman) where I can say where he met his “hype” was the Aus tour of Ind in 1998 Did you watch BG trophy 2010? Link to comment
Vijy Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, zen said: Having watched Tendulkar in Tests, I was not confident in him dominating a series against strong attacks/teams. Like a Rahane, he would get you a 100 here and there and probably consider his job done for the series. Guys like Sehwag really stepped it up with big 100s. Dravid got multiple 100s in a series when in form. Laxman played some superb knocks under pressure. Only series (And Sachin has played the most # of series for any batsman) where I can say where he met his “hype” was the Aus tour of Ind in 1998 It is insulting to compare rahane and SRT... but whatever floats your boat. Please don't expect me to defend SRT against someone like rahane - it does not even merit writing a response given how ludicrous it is. raki05, sage and AuxiliA 2 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 50 minutes ago, Clarke said: Why bother with WI, are SA & Aus anywhere as good as they were in 90s ? What about facing Pak of all teams, Wasim Waqar Shoaib Saqlain was a terrific bowling attack. Only NZ is the better team now than earlier. You really think Sachin didn't have as much drive as Kohli since he wasn't the BC MC type ? It was simply a case of being a gentleman with a volcano inside & a calm demeanor outside. why don't you write that to Zen; it's not me that is downgrading SRT here nevada, raki05 and Clarke 3 Link to comment
Pollack Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 25 minutes ago, Gambit said: MOST TOP-SCORES IN AN INNINGS AFTER 99 TESTS TABLE WITH 4 COLUMNS AND 10 ROWS. CURRENTLY DISPLAYING ROWS 1 TO 10. BATTER TOP SCORE INNS % INNS SUNIL GAVASKAR 52 174 29.89 BRIAN LARA 52 174 29.89 SACHIN TENDULKAR 44 159 27.67 YOUNIS KHAN 44 176 25.00 GRAHAM GOOCH 44 179 24.58 GORDON GREENIDGE 42 169 24.85 STEPHEN FLEMING 42 168 25.00 GEOFF BOYCOTT 42 175 24.00 VIRAT KOHLI 41 168 24.40 Telling stat about support. What does this stat tell? Vijy 1 Link to comment
zen Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Just now, Vijy said: It is insulting to compare rahane and SRT... but whatever floats your boat. Please don't expect me to defend SRT against someone like rahane - it does not even merit writing a response given how ludicrous it is. Well, if you specialize in hitting 1-2 knocks per series and consider it job done, what can one do … Sachin is more like a Rahane of ATGs Link to comment
Rantzz Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 I agree with @zen on most things excluding Pandya and Count Dracula. he is pretty spot on here Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Is there a stat on how many catches Kohli dropped in 99 stats in comparison with Sachin :) We are not even talking about bowling. Cricspin, Vijy and raki05 3 Link to comment
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