"Bowlers Weren't There": Rohit Sharma's Blunt Reply To Question On Mohali Loss

[putrevus]

34 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Yorker is such a potent weapon regardless of what speed you bowl at. Honkong spinner showed that by darting accurate off spinning yorkers. Even for set batsmen it was hard to score off of.  He bowled the 19th over to Kohli and SKY. Conceded 13 including a 6 and a wide. He managed to keep them quiet with yorkers. 

Yorker is always a potent weapon but to bowl yorker consistently you need skill too.Neither Bhuvi nor Harshal have the skill to land effective yorkers which batsmeb can only dig them out on consistent basis .That is why Bhuvi chooses to bowl the wide yorker and tries to miss the bat .

[maniac]

100% true

[kubrickian]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Death bowling is more mental. Tendulkar with limited experience always managed to make the batsmen feel more nervous than himself.  Here he is bowling last over of the match to set Inzamam with them needing 3 runs to win in 6 balls. He gave away 2 runs in the first 5 balls lol  Field sets, slowing things down. It is just an art. 

 

 

 

Sachin was damn smart though and able to outguess the batsmen. He has more intelligence in his pinky finger than most of the retard phasst bowlers put together to have played for India.

 

The problem with Indian phasst bowlers is apart from their inability to bowl quick, they are also dumb as a brick. and hardly learn You just have to look at Umesh, who has been playing cricket for decades and still bowls like he is bowling in school cricket.

Edited September 21, 2022 by kubrickian

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

On evidence he is scared. As simple as that.  When he saw Pakistan sloggers moving across to the off side he didn't have the courage to target the stumps. Seems like he doesn't have trust in himself to bowl an yorker. So he just resorts to his easier option of knuckle balls. He doesn't have to be Malinga. He just has to be reasonably accurate.

Clearly he's lacking confidence in his yorkers - he's said it in interviews (post game etc) that he only prefers to bowl them when he's confident.  Its clear as day that without an effective yorker that he can bowl frequently, Bhuvi is no longer effective in T20 death overs.

[Lord]

boya ped babool ka toh aam kaha se hoye 

[vvvslaxman]

48 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Clearly he's lacking confidence in his yorkers - he's said it in interviews (post game etc) that he only prefers to bowl them when he's confident.  Its clear as day that without an effective yorker that he can bowl frequently, Bhuvi is no longer effective in T20 death overs.

 

He is  a bit like Ishant. Always an understudy. Never the leader of the pack like Zak. He has so much experience. I have rarely seen him offering advice to other bowlers who are far more inexperienced. Helping other bowlers make you a better bowler.. Also his lack of availability for tests is a mystery. This was his response to an article circulated last year about him. He doesn't look like someone who is doing everything to play Test matches? 

 

 

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Edited September 21, 2022 by vvvslaxman

[sandeep]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

He is  a bit like Ishant. Always an understudy. Never the leader of the pack like Zak. He has so much experience. I have rarely seen him offering advice to other bowlers who are far more inexperienced. Helping other bowlers make you a better bowler.. Also his lack of availability for tests is a mystery. This was his response to an article circulated last year about him. He doesn't look like someone who is doing everything to play Test matches? 

 

 

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This comment is inaccurate on multiple levels.  Ishant was quite helpful to other bowlers, that's just a documented fact.  Its a different thing that Ishant was never wired to be a "lead dog" pace bowler.  That is something that is simply a rare skillset in cricket in general, and subcontinent cricket in particular, because the conditions don't make pace bowlers the biggest wicket-takers across games.  And Ishant's bowling skillset and approach was a great fit for being the 3rd or 2nd pacer - he just wasn't that type of bowler who's going to put the team on his back and just be that guy.  You know who can possibly be that guy?  Siraj.  Boomrah has it, and is honestly the first Indian bowler that I have seen that has it.  The combination of top shelf pace, skill, and most importantly mindset.  Siraj is that type of bowler where he just has that nose for wickets - thats why sometimes he leaks runs in white ball cricket due to unhelpful conditions - because his lengths and lines are by instinct attacking - and these turn into run-leaking lines and lengths in white ball cricket.   

[maniac]

53 minutes ago, sandeep said:

This comment is inaccurate on multiple levels.  Ishant was quite helpful to other bowlers, that's just a documented fact. .  Siraj is that type of bowler where he just has that nose for wickets - thats why sometimes he leaks runs in white ball cricket due to unhelpful conditions - because his lengths and lines are by instinct attacking - and these turn into run-leaking lines and lengths in white ball cricket.   

 

Proof that I 100% don’t disagree with you. Spot on with this part.

Edited September 21, 2022 by maniac

[BacktoCricaddict]

2 hours ago, sandeep said:

Clearly he's lacking confidence in his yorkers - he's said it in interviews (post game etc) that he only prefers to bowl them when he's confident.  Its clear as day that without an effective yorker that he can bowl frequently, Bhuvi is no longer effective in T20 death overs.

He will unleash them in WCT20.  I said it first ;-).

[IndianRenegade]

Drop Harshal for Arshdeep.

Drop Umesh for Bumrah, ideally would drop Bhuvi but he is part of the WC squad but Umesh isn't

Drop chahal for Ashwin.

 

At least on paper this is a better attack & longer tail with Ashwin.

 

Edited September 21, 2022 by IndianRenegade

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

This comment is inaccurate on multiple levels.  Ishant was quite helpful to other bowlers, that's just a documented fact.  Its a different thing that Ishant was never wired to be a "lead dog" pace bowler.  That is something that is simply a rare skillset in cricket in general, and subcontinent cricket in particular, because the conditions don't make pace bowlers the biggest wicket-takers across games.  And Ishant's bowling skillset and approach was a great fit for being the 3rd or 2nd pacer - he just wasn't that type of bowler who's going to put the team on his back and just be that guy.  You know who can possibly be that guy?  Siraj.  Boomrah has it, and is honestly the first Indian bowler that I have seen that has it.  The combination of top shelf pace, skill, and most importantly mindset.  Siraj is that type of bowler where he just has that nose for wickets - thats why sometimes he leaks runs in white ball cricket due to unhelpful conditions - because his lengths and lines are by instinct attacking - and these turn into run-leaking lines and lengths in white ball cricket.   

Alright you have combined two line into one. My talk about Ishant stops at first line. About not being the leader of the pack even when noobs came through. Rest of the stuff was about Bhuvi. 

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Drop Harshal for Arshdeep.

Drop Umesh for Bumrah, ideally would drop Bhuvi but he is part of the WC squad but Umesh isn't

Drop chahal for Ashwin.

 

At least on paper this is a better attack & longer tail with Ashwin.

 

 

Mentally strong XI with less skill set > Mentally weak XI with better skill set. It matters in world tournaments. You cannot carry any wuss player to world cups.

[Pollack]

16 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

As I have pointed out before .... 

 

For the Asia Cup 2022

 

They left out 9 of the 10 highest wicket taking Indian pacers in IPL.2022

 

They left out 11 of India's quickest pacers in IPL 2022

 

They left out 5 of the 6 tall, hit the deck Indian pacers in IPL 2022

 

And then we blame the IPL  !!

 

If we go and pick dog sh!t from a rose garden with blooming flowers, it does not mean the garden is bad. 

 

This is not true. Selection has been solely based on IPL for young players/new comers. It's only when it comes to eggsperienced IPL performances (good or bad)  is not taken into account.

 

Top Indian pacers in IPL2022 (leading wicket takers) :

 

1) Umran Malik

2) Mohammed Shami

3) Harshal Patel

4) Prasidh Krishna

5)Avesh Khan

6) T Natarajan (horrible economy rate)

7) Umesh Yadav

8) khaleel Ahmed

9) Mukesh Choudhary

10) Jasprit Bumrah

11) Shardul Thakur

12) Mohsin Khan

13) Arshdeep Singh

 

 

Top 10 Indian pacers in 2021 (leading wicket takers)

 

1)  Harshal Patel

2)  Avesh Khan

3)  S thakur

4)  J bumrah

5) M shami

6) Arshdeep Singh

7) D Chahar

8) C Sakaria

9)  Prasidh Krishna

10) Shivam Mavi

 

Asia cup2022 did not happen directly after ipl2022. There were many matches played leading to it. Prasidh Krishna, Arshdeep, Umran Malik, Avesh Khan, Harshal Patel were all part of those teams purely selected based on IPL exploits only. Even in batting all the young players (Samson,Ishan Kishan,Gaikwad etc) that have been given chances after IPL2022 are based on IPL performances. Obviously you cannot just copy paste top 10 batsman/bowlers from IPL into playing eleven because certain positions are reserved for eggsperienced batsman/bowlers. Bishnoi has also got chances. So IPL has been used for selection. Unfortunately as you can see above IPL does not throw great options in pace bowling department if you go solely based on stats and consistency alone which bcci does. You need to have judgement about picking the right talent and then backing them. Like Umran Malik was selected but discarded in a heartbeat.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Pollack

[Vilander]

14 hours ago, Jay said:

Ithu thaan naan appa lenthu sonnain. 

Dei nee Jay illa yaaa… peeetra ? 

[wanted_desi]

Field placement wasn't there as well Rohit. 

 

 

[Adamant]

13 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Death bowling is more mental. Tendulkar with limited experience always managed to make the batsmen feel more nervous than himself.  Here he is bowling last over of the match to set Inzamam with them needing 3 runs to win in 6 balls. He gave away 2 runs in the first 5 balls lol  Field sets, slowing things down. It is just an art. 

 

 

 

Wonder why didn't we use much of this legendary death bowler. 

Maybe bcoz, one swallow doth not a summer make. 

Something which is difficult for simpletons to grab. 

[Adamant]

17 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

As I have pointed out before .... 

 

For the Asia Cup 2022

 

They left out 9 of the 10 highest wicket taking Indian pacers in IPL.2022

 

They left out 11 of India's quickest pacers in IPL 2022

 

They left out 5 of the 6 tall, hit the deck Indian pacers in IPL 2022

 

And then we blame the IPL  !!

 

If we go and pick dog sh!t from a rose garden with blooming flowers, it does not mean the garden is bad. 

 

We both know that this is nothing but a coping mechanism and a lie. 

How long will you continue with this? 

 

Opportunities were given to them. 

 

The top 10 in ipl 2022 were :

1. Umran- got destroyed and smashed all around the park by Ireland. 

 

2.Mohd Shami - well, one of the worst ever t20i bowler, if you are taking him on ipl performances than why leave out Dhawan? 

 

3. Harshal - injured so wasn't picked. Now he is in the squad. 

 

4. Prasidh Krishna - tonked around in t20is after ipl, even ipl performance wasn't good enough and even you say that he isn't a t20 bowler. 

 

5. Bumrah - was injured. 

 

6. Natarajan - mostly injured and had very less match experience. 

 

7. Umesh - lol, see what happened yesterday? 

 

8. Khaleel - ok, not given opportunity but he is a mediocre bowler. 

 

 

Mohsin is the only one who should have got some chances, rest all is just a coping mechanism to make Indian fans feel good about their bowling. 

[Adamant]

Bumrah and Harshal were injured but mr express bowling kept them into consideration too when he said we picked only 1 out of 10 top wicket takers in IPL.

 

This happens when you are looking for excuses. 

[Adamant]

We don't have fast bowling talent apart from Bumrah, Siraj, Umran, Shami (tests and odis). 

Prasidh maybe in long format. 

That is it. 

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Wonder why didn't we use much of this legendary death bowler. 

Maybe bcoz, one swallow doth not a summer make. 

Something which is difficult for simpletons to grab. 

He did defend 5 runs with India using up all the fast bowlers overs at death. India had 10 overs of spin. Tendulakr seam up deliveries helped us tie the match at 126. Then in Hero cup he defended 3 runs.  On swallow vs no swallow?