Dinesh Karthik’s batting role is the most foolish thing I have seen

[rollingstoned]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

5.3

W

Haris Rauf to Yadav, OUT

Rauf strikes, Pakistan have three early! Rauf roars in celebration! Back of a length, hostile line, and cramps SKY for room as he looks for his release shot, attempting to steer down to third with an open face. Instead, he can only feather through to Rizwan, who throws the ball up in the air. Rauf is down on his knees, punching the air before Shadab embarces him. Nipped in off the seam and took a glove on its way through

Suryakumar Yadav c †Mohammad Rizwan b Haris Rauf 15 (11m 10b 2x4 0x6) SR: 150

 

Axar is promoted to No. 5. Two slips.

5.4

2

Haris Rauf to Axar Patel, 2 runs

Length ball, stands tall and punches through point for a couple, with an open face

 

5.5

1lb

Haris Rauf to Axar Patel, 1 leg bye

Good length, tucks him up with a length ball. Skids into the pad and they scamper through for a leg bye. 92mph/149kph

 

 

So what is the logic behind sending Axar patel against Haris Rauf? If it was to protect next batsman you should have sent Ashwin not this guy.

Hitman mentioned it in the post match presser, it was a calculated gamble to neutralize the spin threats who would come on to bowl for Pak who would take the ball away from the RHBs hitting arc. It didn't work but you can't argue that there wasn't a logic to it. 

Patel has played a few good innings in the IPL last 2 years - notably the first game of the second half of the IPL last year in UAE which he and Thakur helped them win - and has shown some signs of improving his test batting, along with an innings or 2 against WI. Yes it may not pay any dividends but you can see the idea in grooming a Jadeja replacement who is especially not getting younger. 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

11 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Hitman mentioned it in the post match presser, it was a calculated gamble to neutralize the spin threats who would come on to bowl for Pak who would take the ball away from the RHBs hitting arc. It didn't work but you can't argue that there wasn't a logic to it. 

Patel has played a few good innings in the IPL last 2 years - notably the first game of the second half of the IPL last year in UAE which he and Thakur helped them win - and has shown some signs of improving his test batting, along with an innings or 2 against WI. Yes it may not pay any dividends but you can see the idea in grooming a Jadeja replacement who is especially not getting younger. 

 

 

Not the time or place to groom. Sure you can do that in bilateral. Sending a batsman whose highest T20I score is 20 at no.5 infront of 90000 people against 150k bowler was really stupid.  Hitman lost his mind . Not once Axar's promotion recently helped us. We can forgive that move in bilaterals. But in a world cup sending him ahead of Pandya,  DK, Ashwin was a terrible move. Unnecessarily a wicket lost. He didn't have the chemistry of running with Kohli as he never bats in that position. 

[Clarke]

2 hours ago, Serpico said:

Did everyone forget the concept of pinch hitter? I remember seeing Irfan Pathan come ahead of Dravid and Dhoni and win us few matches back in the day. That doesn't mean Irfan was better batsman than dravid, it's just a gamble with a cheap wicket

 

Pakistan successfully gambled with Nawaz in the second match in Asia Cup. Its not a bad strategy when it works, especially since he's the only leftie in the line-up 

 

Strange how such simple stuff needs to be explained on a cricket forum. 

 

I also see Livingstone mentioned, guy's smashed a T20 century against a good bowling attack and is suggested as a flexible 2 over specialist here 

[Number]

How can a batsman batting at no. 6 be pigeonholed as a 15 ball specialist. 

Losing 4 wickets within first 10 overs happens quite frequently in T20s.

Edited October 25, 2022 by Number

[ravishingravi]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

This promotion of Axar over him is getting ridiculous. He came even ahead of Pandya against Pakistan. What were they thinking?  They treat him like he is left arm spinner/leg spinner nightmare.  Especially in Australian conditions it is even more bonkers. 

 

Actually tactically it was not bad decision. You have 8 overs from leg and left arm spinner which were middle overs. Axar is dispensable and if he gets stuck, a quick 30 can be game changer. Plus India was really behind the run rate. So for me it was an interesting call. 

[Sooda]

I dont think Axar was ever going to spend a huge amount of time at the crease and pressure the run rate, the aim would have been for him to throw his bat and get some quick runs, left/right combo to throw pak off a bit. It failed, but didn't do us any harm. He wasnt sent up because he is seen as better than Pandya or DK

DK is an interesting one, but he showed even vs SA a few weeks ago when he made that quick 40-odd at no 4 or 5 that he isnt a "15 ball" specialist. Can come up the order and chip in with brisk runs

[maniac]

8 hours ago, Serpico said:

Did everyone forget the concept of pinch hitter?

Pinch hitter at 30-3 in the MCG against quality fast bowling especially a bowling allrounder who doesn’t exactly have a reputation against pace. Makes sense

[Serpico]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

Pinch hitter at 30-3 in the MCG against quality fast bowling especially a bowling allrounder who doesn’t exactly have a reputation against pace. Makes sense

Shaheen and Naseem already finished their initial spells. He was supposed to slap around shadab and nawaz and give some breather to kohli. No one was taking on rauf at that stage anyway 

[vvvslaxman]

Axar's scores when he comes ahead of DK

 

10(11) vs SA  batting at 6

17(12) vs England batting at  6

6(5) vs Australia batting at 6

 

Same matches DK

 

30(21) vs SA batting at 7

11(7) vs England batting at 7

6(5) vs Australia batting at 7

 

One match where DK was promoted to no.4

 

DK 46(21) vs SA batting at 4

Axar 9(8) vs SA batting at 6

 

I am not sure what they learnt from this. 

 

[nitinbwj]

DK will soon have to win a match on his own.He couldn’t score 2 off 2 ffs.Ashwin saved his ass by his street smartness else he almost shat on a billion Indian hopes and Kohli innings. He is known to wilt under pressure. DK becomes a huge liability as we don’t have lower order hitters,non existent tail and Axar as well. Aus smashed SL today as they had the cushion of David and Wade. I wish we had Shardul coming in at 8. 

[coffee_rules]

2 hours ago, Serpico said:

Shaheen and Naseem already finished their initial spells. He was supposed to slap around shadab and nawaz and give some breather to kohli. No one was taking on rauf at that stage anyway 

Rohit's masterstroke/20D-Chess. That move delayed Nawaz's one over till the end and the rest is history

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

Rohit's masterstroke/20D-Chess. That move delayed Nawaz's one over till the end and the rest is history

 

Nawaz was shunned after that 20 run over. They had to keep him away from Pandya.

[Lord]

17 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

The time when Ashwin came ahead of Jadeja lol . INdia was in hopeless situation. Dhoni/Ashwin/Jadeja pulled off an impossible tie

 

 

 

 

Ashwin didn't come ahead. He was better batsman those days

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

 

Ashwin didn't come ahead. He was better batsman those days

 

That is what i meant. He was very good. Even now he showed that in that one shot. What timing. He hardly put any power into that shot.

[Lord]

Sending Axar was the right move

 

That said DK should be able to bat inside 15 overs if required

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

Sending Axar was the right move

 

That said DK should be able to bat inside 15 overs if required

 

 

That is upto Rohit. One time they sent him at no.4 he made 46 in 21 balls.  Can Axar play an innings like that? That day he could neither hit Maharaja nor seamers. Took a wild swipe at Parnell and edged to keeper. 

 

[vivek04]

I think Dk is having fitness issues as his fielding and catching is not upto the mark. Here and there he made a spectacular save but consistency is missing. Given the squad i would pick pant as he is game winner with bat  on his day.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, vivek04 said:

I think Dk is having fitness issues as his fielding and catching is not upto the mark. Here and there he made a spectacular save but consistency is missing. Given the squad i would pick pant as he is game winner with bat  on his day.

 

If that eliminates this farce of sending Axar ahead of specialist batsmen just because he is a left hander then i am all for it. Go with Pant. Keep Axar way down the order below Ashwin.

[vvvslaxman]

Tailenders perform well and punch above the weight when they play in tailender position. Moment you start treating him like specialist bat they will be shown up. Pleae don't bring Irfan comparison. Irfan was very close to a specialist bat. 

Edited October 25, 2022 by vvvslaxman

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

That is upto Rohit. One time they sent him at no.4 he made 46 in 21 balls.  Can Axar play an innings like that? That day he could neither hit Maharaja nor seamers. Took a wild swipe at Parnell and edged to keeper. 

 

 

that was on a patta on a joke of a ground.

 

Axar also did well in WI.

 

Its more about role than position. DK doesn't want to bat when he has to consolidate a bit.