Hardik Pandya's batting in T20I tournaments

[Tibarn]

6 hours ago, Moochad said:

His SR is surprisingly low, all eyes are on him now that he is captain

His SR is low at both the 6th and 7th batting position. This suggests he is not a finisher/someone who can hit from 1st ball. His SR at 4/5 is over 150. That may be a better slot for him.  

 

 

 

[zen]

18 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

His SR is low at both the 6th and 7th batting position. This suggests he is not a finisher/someone who can hit from 1st ball. His SR at 4/5 is over 150. That may be a better slot for him.  

 

 

 

It can be difficult to suggest that from just SRs as at #7, he has played 107 balls in 12 innings, which equates to an average of 8-9 balls per inning. If you play 3 balls in a game, where you block 1 ball (say a yorker for e.g.), take a single, and then try to hit a 6, as the batsman has to go for it, but get caught, SR would be 33, which would impact the avg SR at that position ... Similarly at #6, he has played 211 balls (assuming from your table that those are balls played), which comes to like 14 balls per inning, where his SR is relatively better as he would get more opportunities to settle down. 

 

But yeah, 4-5 (upper middle order) is a good slot for him. 

 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2023 by zen

[Nash]

On 1/6/2023 at 9:38 AM, Majestic said:

His record at 5 is excellent.

He should be our no 5 at batsman. And some overs in middle of the innings could be good. His bowling speed is as good as most of the Indian pace bowlers 

I don’t understand what is wrong with him while batting no 7.  He had all abilities to hit the ball. May be genuine pace bothers him.  He tried to hit over the wicket keeper but it is pressure release shot only.  Can’t hit hard length ball either.  He has to practice  like kartik on hard length balls.  Either going deep inside the crease or stepping out to reach the length.  He can do it.  

[putrevus]

After seven years in international cricket we are still talking about what he needs to do to develop into something useful for the team.

 

That statement is enough to say this guy has not progressing in his skills.

[Vijy]

27 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

His SR is low at both the 6th and 7th batting position. This suggests he is not a finisher/someone who can hit from 1st ball. His SR at 4/5 is over 150. That may be a better slot for him.  

 

 

 

I think he needs to come in at 5, which is a better fit. and axar would slot in at 7 in SC. the big issue is no. 6.

[Majestic]

2 hours ago, Vijy said:

There are several with similar records in spin [not sure about pace] if one digs around. among spin-bowling contemporaries: shabbadabba (shadab), moeen, axar patel all score at good SR, and are decent bowlers.

Watson

Afridi

Shadab

 

I can only think of these three as better A/R than Pandya in entire T20I history. Others have been not consistent. Very hard to expect consistency down the order. 

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, Nash said:

He should be our no 5 at batsman. And some overs in middle of the innings could be good. His bowling speed is as good as most of the Indian pace bowlers 

I don’t understand what is wrong with him while batting no 7.  He had all abilities to hit the ball. May be genuine pace bothers him.  He tried to hit over the wicket keeper but it is pressure release shot only.  Can’t hit hard length ball either.  He has to practice  like kartik on hard length balls.  Either going deep inside the crease or stepping out to reach the length.  He can do it.  

He relies on power to clear boundaries but he is not very strong( like the Windies batters are).

 

He doesn't have the range hitting either which allow him to hi sixes with ease like some of the SA/Aus batters do( Miller, Tim David).

 

At 5, he is best. He has developed a bit of classical game too which we see more often these days in ODIs so this position suits him well in T20s.

 

 

[Chintu]

He’s genuine and the only fast bowler all-rounder Ind has produced in a long time. He bats in pressure situation at #5, great fielder and ever so improving bowler. Now add to that a terrific captain. Hard to do everything right with so many tasks. He plays when Ind needs him. Happy to have him captain young T20 side. 

[Trichromatic]

4 hours ago, zen said:

 

It can be difficult to suggest that from just SRs as at #7, he has played 107 balls in 12 innings, which equates to an average of 8-9 balls per inning. If you play 3 balls in a game, where you block 1 ball (say a yorker for e.g.), take a single, and then try to hit a 6, as the batsman has to go for it, but get caught, SR would be 33, which would impact the avg SR at that position ... Similarly at #6, he has played 211 balls (assuming from your table that those are balls played), which comes to like 14 balls per inning, where his SR is relatively better as he would get more opportunities to settle down. 

 

But yeah, 4-5 (upper middle order) is a good slot for him. 

 

 

 

Lower number of deliveries is good excuse. Guess it's not his fault that he gets out in single digit scores when there there are 4-5 overs left.

 

It's so unfair that ICC is not allowing him to bat again after throwing wickets for scores like 4(4), 12(12) runs.

[Trichromatic]

4 hours ago, putrevus said:

After seven years in international cricket we are still talking about what he needs to do to develop into something useful for the team.

 

That statement is enough to say this guy has not progressing in his skills.

 

Initially he was touted as player who is different from old school players like Rohit, KL, Kohli. A player who doesn't wait and can hit from started. Great finisher and lower order batsman.

 

Then we realized he is not a finisher and bats same way as old school players. Play slow for first 15 balls, settle in and then try to hit. So demand is that he should bat higher up. 

Then we realized that there are many batsmen who are capable of doing tuk tuk and he is not the solution to problem as claimed initially. 

[zen]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

Lower number of deliveries is good excuse. Guess it's not his fault that he gets out in single digit scores when there there are 4-5 overs left.

Lower middle order (#6-7) is more of a swim or sink situation, where you usually have to get going asap while facing death over specialists. It is a difficult place to bat at - you can see the SR of Karthik, Axar, Pant, etc. in the recent World Cup. 
 

Upper middle order (#4-5) is more about reacting to the situation as you could be in at 20/2, 30/3, or 100/2-3.

 

Top order (#1-3) is where you look for strike rate as the situation is similar 0/0, hard ball, and powerplay. And 1 down, you still have the middle order.. This is where I focus the most when it comes to strike rates. 

 

In short:

 

top order ——> a good place to look for strike rates.

 

upper middle order ——> a good place to look for the ability to play per situation and handle pressure. 
 

lower middle order ——> a sink or swim situation where mostly players with multiple skills are played. A place to look for impact here. 

Edited January 9, 2023 by zen

[putrevus]

12 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Initially he was touted as player who is different from old school players like Rohit, KL, Kohli. A player who doesn't wait and can hit from started. Great finisher and lower order batsman.

 

Then we realized he is not a finisher and bats same way as old school players. Play slow for first 15 balls, settle in and then try to hit. So demand is that he should bat higher up. 

Then we realized that there are many batsmen who are capable of doing tuk tuk and he is not the solution to problem as claimed initially. 

Question I have for all the guys who this bozo to be the captain not just in team. What exactly does he do better than a top order batsman. His bowling is not a given for any match, it is always a bonus if bowls even one over.

 

He laid a giant egg in 2021 world cup  and was laying giant egg till last two overs in last world cup also.

 

How is he a new school thinking???

[Adamant]

22 hours ago, zen said:

I looked at my profile to see who the fake ID could be (as it would do that to copy the profile picture and/or to stoke)  ... below is what I found:

 

 

 

 

I won't stop saying this until you realize. 

You belong in a kindergarten. 

[Adamant]

21 hours ago, Pollack said:

 sarcasm.

You need to take the other guys IQ in consideration when using sarcasm. 

I blame you. 

[zen]

1 hour ago, Adamant said:

I won't stop saying this until you realize. 

You belong in a kindergarten. 

 

If you are "smart", you should realize I don't rate "junks" like you ... There is no point in you wasting my time (foolishly quoting me to read your babble!).  

 

Let me restate since you haven't "realized" yet ---->  Don't quote me unless it is important and "cricket related". I may have time to waste but it is still valuable enough to not waste on uninteresting and meaningless exchanges. 

 

Edited January 9, 2023 by zen

[Trichromatic]

Batting woes continuing in ODIs.

 

14 runs of 12 balls when team had 9 overs left.

[ThirtyD.]

What is his role? Bowl half ass bowling quota and chew gum longer than this stay at the middle. Really not sure on what basis we made him a captain/vice captain. BCCI is such a pathetically ran organization.

Edited January 10, 2023 by ThirtyD.

[Moochad]

On 1/8/2023 at 4:27 PM, Tibarn said:

His SR is low at both the 6th and 7th batting position. This suggests he is not a finisher/someone who can hit from 1st ball. His SR at 4/5 is over 150. That may be a better slot for him.  

 

 

 

Abhi uski captaincy hai voh khud ko ek lamba run dega 4-5 slot mein 

 

[Number]

SL should target 80 in first 10.

[diehardpacer]

He's been pretty poor . Technically weak .