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How did Dravid get so overrated as coach and pull wool over our eyes?


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Regardless of what happens in the T20 WC now, Dravid (and Rohit) have proven to be absolutely useless as part of the management. I used to rate Dravid highly as a coach seeing what he did with the U-19 but his utterly appalling selections in picking bums like DK, Axar, Harshal, Chahal for a world tournament in Australia are shocking. We are going back to the glory trundler brigade days in Indian cricket which we finally seemed to put behind us in the days of Bewda and Kohli.

 

 

 

 

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There are few genuine Indian coaches like Lalchand Rajput who are doing this for a while instead of inserting a celebrity coach ....what is next VVS and then Rohit when he retires ? Dravid would have been a good batting and fielding coach but was never a great captain to begin with and hasn't impressed me by his coaching 

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On 11/8/2022 at 11:44 AM, Serpico said:

Bumrah, prasidh, tyagi are all injured 

lol for Shami wouldn't even be in the side if not for Injuries, Harshal is higher up in the pecking order than Siraj, thakur. This is a pathetic selection by any stretch of imagination.

 

What where our issues from last WC? 

 

1. Openers flopping in KOs & not giving us starts. Except for breif period of intent drama we are still in the same boat.

2. Bowling flopped  - if not for injuries & harshal being found & murdered many times over we are in the same boat. The pace attack we have except for Bhuvi is entirely due to circumstances of injury & actual preferred tallents like harshal flopping. We are still backing Ashwin, & can't find or back a young replacement like Bishnoi.

3. Long Tail - still the case.

4 - bad fielding - with Jaddu gone its obvious.

 

There isn't any facet of the game I can see as an improvement under Dravid. 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

lol for Shami wouldn't even be in the side if not for Injuries, Harshal is higher up in the pecking order than Siraj, thakur. This is a pathetic selection by any stretch of imagination.

 

What where our issues from last WC? 

 

1. Openers flopping in KOs & not giving us starts. Except for breif period of intent drama we are still in the same boat.

2. Bowling flopped  - if not for injuries & harshal being found & murdered many times over we are in the same boat. The pace attack we have except for Bhuvi is entirely due to circumstances of injury & actual preferred tallents like harshal flopping. We are still backing Ashwin, & can't find or back a young replacement like Bishnoi.

3. Long Tail - still the case.

4 - bad fielding - with Jaddu gone its obvious.

 

There isn't any facet of the game I can see as an improvement under Dravid. 

 

 

 

 

T20 requires certain ingredients. India is significantly short of  it. It is obvious.  Batting depth is one.They make some compromising changes to create artifical depth. PUshing Axar up the order, picking Ashwin ahead of lot of other wristies because he can bat a bit. Instead of Jadea + Chahal they replaced with  Axar + Ashwin.  Since Axar is not as good a bat as Jaddu they needed another back up.  Now Ashwin is in the XI with no place for a wristie. That is just the one issue. Then there is lack of another seamer who can bat. We have two Thakur/Chahar.  So on surfaces where you don't need spin you can use  5 seamers. The way we have picked the squad even if we play the entire squad instead of XI we will still lack in some areas.

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The bums you have mentioned are rewarded/selected on the basis of their exceptional performance in world's best T20 League.

 

Chahal = Highest Wicket Taker in IPL 2022

 

Harshal = Highest Wicket Taker in IPL 2021 , Third Best Indian Pacer in IPL 2022

 

DK = Highest Strike Rate (183) with minimum 300 runs in IPL 2022.

 

Axar = Had a decent IPL 2022 with the bat played some good cameos lower down the order , 150 odd runs @ 150 Strike rate 

like for like replacement for Jadeja.

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

T20 requires certain ingredients. India is significantly short of  it. It is obvious.  Batting depth is one.They make some compromising changes to create artifical depth. PUshing Axar up the order, picking Ashwin ahead of lot of other wristies because he can bat a bit. Instead of Jadea + Chahal they replaced with  Axar + Ashwin.  Since Axar is not as good a bat as Jaddu they needed another back up.  Now Ashwin is in the XI with no place for a wristie. That is just the one issue. Then there is lack of another seamer who can bat. We have two Thakur/Chahar.  So on surfaces where you don't need spin you can use  5 seamers. The way we have picked the squad even if we play the entire squad instead of XI we will still lack in some areas.

Out of these an obvious problem that’s solvable is batting. Because that’s one resource we have lot, we can easily accommodate someone like Prithvi or Pant at the top & move KL down & replacing DK. 

 

But this requires KL to sacrifice his opening position, the team operates of the philosophy individuals rover team rather than team over individuals.

 

KL & Rohit can keep failing all important games just to play an inconsequential knock against a minnow & continue on the laurels for another 10 games. Literally nothing has been done to solve this fraud at the top. 

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18 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Out of these an obvious problem that’s solvable is batting. Because that’s one resource we have lot, we can easily accommodate someone like Prithvi or Pant at the top & move KL down & replacing DK. 

 

But this requires KL to sacrifice his opening position, the team operates of the philosophy individuals rover team rather than team over individuals.

 

KL & Rohit can keep failing all important games just to play an inconsequential knock against a minnow & continue on the laurels for another 10 games. Literally nothing has been done to solve this fraud at the top. 

 

You get the sense he is going to get inside and get bowled or edge one to slip

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5 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

Out of these an obvious problem that’s solvable is batting. Because that’s one resource we have lot, we can easily accommodate someone like Prithvi or Pant at the top & move KL down & replacing DK. 

 

But this requires KL to sacrifice his opening position, the team operates of the philosophy individuals rover team rather than team over individuals.

 

KL & Rohit can keep failing all important games just to play an inconsequential knock against a minnow & continue on the laurels for another 10 games. Literally nothing has been done to solve this fraud at the top. 

Dude prithvi was pathetic in recent ipl. Couldn't handle high pace or in swing. He might be dominating domestic bowlers in SMAT but I really doubt he can repeat that against Shaheen and Rauf. And pant even after 60 T20Is, is still piss poor, can't even dominate zimbabwe bowlers

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Don't think he or Rohit have done too much wrong. As someone posted above , the players playing all have some performances in the IPL. It will be difficult to justify the "talents" who people want of they don't have the performances. 

 

The only person can think of who they didn't try was Mohsin.

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58 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Don't think he or Rohit have done too much wrong. As someone posted above , the players playing all have some performances in the IPL. It will be difficult to justify the "talents" who people want of they don't have the performances. 

 

The only person can think of who they didn't try was Mohsin.

 

 

Players who were ignored despite performances in this IPL

 

Umran

Mohsin

Shami  (  included last minute without any practice )

Khaleel 

Gill

Kuldeep Yadav 

 

The areas ignored are quick bowling and wrist spin. 

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3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Players who were ignored despite performances in this IPL

 

Umran

Mohsin

Shami  (  included last minute without any practice )

Khaleel 

Gill

Kuldeep Yadav 

 

The areas ignored are quick bowling and wrist spin. 

 

If Dravid the coach is anything like Dravid the batsman, he will always err on the side of being careful and conservative.

 

Its not surprise he doesnt take risks.

 

Now Ganguly as coach would have been interesting. Definitely IMO would have backed and wanted quicks in th team.

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I feel issue is different, which is current generation or new one is failing to take next step,the likes of kishan,shaw,gill even though sizzle early on but fizzle as a chink is found in their armour but issue is lack of hardwork to rectify those problems, same is with prasidh, avesh and harshal,if u are comfortable with IPL and refuse to work hard what can Dravid do

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