Is Arshdeep overrated?

[gattaca]

21 hours ago, zen said:

Appears as if you know nothing about him bowling 5 no balls (also he is the bowler with the most no balls since 2022. The next worst at that point was 5, which Arshdeep bowled in a single game) at crucial stages against SL and then the 27 runs last over (which is similar to someone hitting 7 4s in an over, bowled a no ball too) versus NZ. 
 

Everyone who knows knows what the conditions were in Melbourne. Don’t make general statements to specific points.

Every bowler goes through phase of no balls. If you been recently watching may be you don’t know that. Zaheer had this problem and other had this too. It is getting the run up correct. It is fixable.

Edited January 30, 2023 by gattaca

[zen]

48 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Every bowler goes through phase of no balls. If you been recently watching may be you don’t know that. Zaheer had this problem and other had this too. It is getting the run up correct. It is fixable.

You still don’t get it … … … 

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Gavaskar was saying in live commentary that Arshdeep should play test cricket.

 

@Rightarmfast - Your opinion?

 

Natrajan played a test :) Actually he was not bad. Thakur was a T20 bowler when he was picked.  Sometimes you get lucky. Having said that he has to understand the rigors of Test match bowling first. 

[Lord]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Natrajan played a test :) Actually he was not bad. Thakur was a T20 bowler when he was picked.  Sometimes you get lucky. Having said that he has to understand the rigors of Test match bowling first. 

he has played 2 seasons I think

[Need4Speed]

4 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Gavaskar was saying in live commentary that Arshdeep should play test cricket.

 

@Rightarmfast - Your opinion?

Well thats one way to avoid free hit..lol

[Need4Speed]

9 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Jab wo player tha to bc usse bowling na ho pati thi. Coaching kaun se khet ki gaajar kha ke karega?

Wo Gajar dhoondhte dhoondhte Muli kha gya ab gas nikaal k

team sada rha hai

Edited January 30, 2023 by Need4Speed

[Need4Speed]

Imo..Arshdeep is not the answer to our bowling woes but he is a good option for time being..

Pros: Left armer,Good Yorkers,Good Bouncers,Swing,Slow balls variations.

can crank up pace to 145 if worked upon.

Cons:Massive No ball problems,Runup/balance..average pace still on lower side per my liking..

tendency to float the ball

 

Though he isnt an exciting prospect but he has helped ys during the absence of Bumrah and and tried to cover poor death bowling Bhuvi

 

so to answer the question is he overrated..yes he is but he can be worked upon to give better performanves while Sen,Umran,Tyagi wtc are still not deemed elligible by TM

 

PS:I am only talking about T20 bowling..he is not a test/odi bowler in my books

[rollingstoned]

Absolutely Unacceptable: Gautam Gambhir’s Massive Remark On Arshdeep Singh Ahead Of IND Vs NZ 3rd T20I

 

New Delhi: Hardik Pandya-led Team India is set to take on New Zealand in the third and final T20I of the series at the Narendra Modi Stadium in Ahmedabad on February 1. The series is currently leveled at 1-1 after India managed to edge in a thrilling victory in the second T20I.

 

 

 

 

The Men in Blue side would compete in a crucial series decider on Wednesday. Ahead of the 3rd T20I former Indian opener Gautam Gambhir has advised Arshdeep Singh to stick with basics. Lately, Arshdeep has been leaking lots of runs, and him bowling no balls has been the talk of the town.

 

Gambhir backed Arshdeep in the department of bowling economy but advised him to work on no balls.”I think. these numbers are fine, It can go south and it can go north. But the most important thing is you can’t afford to bowl those no-balls. That is absolutely unacceptable, especially at this level, and it can come back to hurt you and the team big time,” he told Star Sports.

 

“And that is exactly what happened in the previous game. Just keep the basics right. See, World Cup conditions are completely different from what you normally get back home. In Australia, it was swinging and it was still bouncing, decent carry as well with the new ball. But when you play at the sub-continent, these are flat wickets,” Gambhir added.

 

Gambhir also advised him to work on variation as he lacks lethal pace like Umran Malik and Mohammed Siraj. “You gonna have something different up your sleeves whether it’s a slower one or a slower bouncer. Some kind of variation. Unfortunately, he doesn’t have the speed to actually rattle the batsmen. So he’s got to develop some variation. He is not Umran Malik, he’s not Mohammed Siraj. So one thing he needs to do is probably try and keep it very simple and sort his no balls out which is equally important,” he concluded.

 

[Suhaan]

He shouldn't be automatic selection,simple

Hes quite overrated,not saying he's rubbish ,but shouldn't be a certainity in these conditions,that is what Gambhir also feels here

[express bowling]

Keep him away from Tests and ODIs.

[Suhaan]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Keep him away from Tests and ODIs.

An all trundler attack in tests with already present Undercutter joined by Arshdeep,Thakur will be mouth watering with control on offer all throughout the test

[Need4Speed]

7 hours ago, Suhaan said:

An all trundler attack in tests with already present Undercutter joined by Arshdeep,Thakur will be mouth watering with control on offer all throughout the test

they can include Harshal too..to make a fast spinning quartet..

[vvvslaxman]

Horse and courses policy can be adopted. In swinging conditions prefer swing bowlers. In Australian conditions prefer hit the deck bowlers. In flat conditions different bowlers.

[sandeep]

On 1/30/2023 at 11:55 AM, Need4Speed said:

Well thats one way to avoid free hit..lol

That's a bit mean, but have to admit it made me chuckle....

[Tibarn]

He's just playing until Bumrah can come back, then he will likely go back to the bench. 

[StraightDrive26]

Bit harsh isn't it? The bowler himself isn't asking to be rated. He was picked out of nowhere to play for the national side due to some IPL performances. He hasn't played too much cricket and has only 7 FC games. Thanks to IPL and a host of domestic T20 tournaments he has 76 games in that format. He only has 20 LA games as well. Give him some time. He like Umran Malik is raw and needs some time. No need to call him overrated as yet. Needs to play lot of domestic cricket to gain the required experience. We are not that great with picking inexperienced bowlers and moulding them. We have never been successful in our history with something like that. We normally like to pick finished products from domestic cricket (someone with 20-30 FC games).

 

Umran Malik and Arshdeep have been the outliers. Both have been playing domestic cricket for less than 5 years and have no real experience. Arshdeep has the talent, he has decent pace, good control over swing, he needs to be persisted with at least in T20. Should not play other formats until he gains enough experience bowling longer spells in domestic cricket or on A tours. 

[Nikhil_cric]

There's definite value in having a left armer in white ball cricket. He's running through the crease in a proper straight line now rather than crossing over a bit bowling around his base so that's good to see. 

 

He's not a Test prospect. I hope TM are clear about that. 

[putrevus]

Picking him based on IPL performances was stupid in the first place.

[Number]

Good comeback in last 2 matches.

Hope Selfish Pandu lets him bowl with the new ball and asks him to pick wickets upfront. That should be his role.

[Lord]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

Picking him based on IPL performances was stupid in the first place.

 

for T20Is what else can be criteria? 

 

Umran has been picked due to IPL too.