Always the bridesmaid but never the bride

[EnterTheVoid]

South Africa never seem to fulfil their potential.

When they are not losing to Australia in semi cup finals (99, 03, 23), they are either losing to minnows or getting their numbers wrong for rain affected matches.

 

Just what is it with them and crunch situations?

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by EnterTheVoid

[Majestic]

They are not that good simply.

 

They have good strokemakers and bowlers who can bowl at good pace. But they don't have many players who look fully motivated to make a difference in batting, bowling and fielding by either grinding out for hours on a difficult wicket or producing a game changing spell.

 

SA is a team who except for 1999 were never destined to win the World Cup and hence they didn't won.

 

 

[gattaca]

When don’t pick players based on merit this what happens. They have a quota system how is bavuma even in the team ? He is no good in ODIs and they make him the captain. 

[Number]

Simply not good enough. Quota system sucks the spirit out of the team. They all seem to playing for themselves but not for each other which is essential for long tournament.

[Ranvir]

4 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said:

South Africa never seem to fulfil their potential.

When they are not losing to Australia in semi cup finals (99, 03, 23), they are either losing to minnows or getting their numbers wrong for rain affected matches.

 

Just what is it with them and crunch situations?

 

07 not 03.

 

Their peak was the 90s, they were really unlucky in 1992 and 1999, they were probably the best team in both tournaments. 

[IndianRenegade]

SPorts at the highest level & Quotas won't work out.

[raki05]

Atleast this time they shown some fight and not meek surrender.

[NameGoesHere]

They’ve improved. 

 

Plus I wonder how good they’ll be if there wasn’t reservation.

 

it’s the Indian equivalent of a Math Olympiad face off with one team bringing its best and another with one or two blokes who’ve made it via reservation.  

 

 

[Sean Bradley]

It's a shame that a country with such a rich cricket produce has never won the world cup.

 

They lack the nerves and have been extremely unlucky at the same time.

 

They need someone to get them out of this rut. Bavuma is not a right choice for Captain, he doesn't inspire confidence. If not for captaincy, he would even struggle to make it into their ODI XI.  

[RajBan]

South Africa is A grade choker but given how we have performed in high stake matches in ICC tournaments , specially KOs in last 10 years, we are probably not the best bunch to be critical of them.

[vvvslaxman]

Let us celebrate the moment that lost 2015 semi final. They had one thing to do. Take  the catch of Elliott. They needed 14 runs to win in 7 balls when they dropped him. Next over he smashed a 4 and 6 game over.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

I watched that last 2 overs in 2015 I can't believe how many chances they missed in  those moments

 

1) QDK missed a simple collection run out, Batsman was yards out

2) Steyn missed a simple run out from 2 feet 

3) Fahreden catch was almost certain to be caught then that duminy guy knocked it off

4) There was another catch that lande in no man's land

5) One more run out chance didn't even attempt

 

 

[Trichromatic]

3 hours ago, NameGoesHere said:

They’ve improved. 

 

Plus I wonder how good they’ll be if there wasn’t reservation.

 

it’s the Indian equivalent of a Math Olympiad face off with one team bringing its best and another with one or two blokes who’ve made it via reservation.  

 

 

 

They would have been far better team if there wasn't systematic discrimination against Blacks.

 

Which quota player screwed them up in 1992, 1999, 2003 and 2007 and 2015?

 

1992 team had all XI white players.

 

1999 team had XI white players. 

[ravishingravi]

This team is very young. Many of them playing their first WCs. They will be there again in next one. 

[ravishingravi]

31 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

They would have been far better team if there wasn't systematic discrimination against Blacks.

 

Which quota player screwed them up in 1992, 1999, 2003 and 2007 and 2015?

 

1992 team had all XI white players.

 

1999 team had XI white players. 

 

First part is your conjecture and second part is your assumption. Since 90s SA has slowly adopted 6 non white player policy. Not sure where is the systemic discrimination against them. On the contrary, likes of Petersen and Trott had to leave SA for lack of fair opportunity.

 

For the record, I am for reservation with checks.

[nevada]

4 hours ago, Ranvir said:

07 not 03.

 

Their peak was the 90s, they were really unlucky in 1992 and 1999, they were probably the best team in both tournaments. 

In '96 also they were scary good but lost tamely in the quarterfinal to WI. 

[Trichromatic]

24 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

First part is your conjecture and second part is your assumption. Since 90s SA has slowly adopted 6 non white player policy. Not sure where is the systemic discrimination against them. On the contrary, likes of Petersen and Trott had to leave SA for lack of fair opportunity.

 

For the record, I am for reservation with checks.

 

I know first part is conjecture and it was reply to another conjecture that they would have been better team with white players.

 

As for discrimination part, I admit I don't know enough. I don't live in SA and my source of information is very little I come across in news and forums. 

 

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/south-africa-to-review-ombudsman-report-on-discrimination-101639590698756.html

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/sjn-report-says-csa-discriminated-against-players-on-the-basis-of-race-1293419

 

 

[Trichromatic]

42 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

This team is very young. Many of them playing their first WCs. They will be there again in next one. 

 

2015 was probably their worst choke with collective failure

 

ADBV failing to collect the ball when NZ were 204-4

 

Yesterday De Kock dropped a catch at fag end of the inning although match was almost lost by that time. He had missed easy run out chance when NZ needed 25 runs.

 

 

ABDV missed another easy run out when 23 runs were needed.

 

 

And this when only 14 were needed, they dropped Eliott.

 

 

De Kock and Steyn both missing run out when 6 were needed off 3

 

 

[EnterTheVoid]

Seems India are in the same boat as well.