India never had a captain like kohli

[philcric]

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it was a delight to see Virat Kohli maturing quickly as a captain, in keeping with his rapid growth as a batsman in international cricket.

This observation does not come because he has just won a Test series; it is more to do with how he has been visibly more patient, when earlier his almost child-like exuberance seemed to get the better of him. The tendency to make frequent field and bowling changes seems to have gone now. Kohli's on-field tactics this series had the perfect blend of attack and defence; not once did it seem like he was over-attacking or ultra-defensive.

His cheerleading to get the crowd to make some noise and back his team up when things were quiet was a nice touch. Why, some fans might come to the ground just to be cheer-led by him.

Kohli was in the game every minute of the series.

Above all, for someone who is very much a modern-day product, in the way he looks and plays the other formats of the game, he showed he cares deeply for the five-day game. And that is a boon in these times for Test cricket.

 

 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/1061362.html

Edited October 14, 2016 by philcric

[The Dark Horse]

While I'm a fan of his attacking mindset, his team selection seriously irks me. Dropping Pujara and Vijay for Rohit and Dhawan is just not on. IIRC he even dropped Bhuvi after his 5 wicket haul. Hope he doesn't have a personal or Delhi agenda.

[diga]

28 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

While I'm a fan of his attacking mindset, his team selection seriously irks me. Dropping Pujara and Vijay for Rohit and Dhawan is just not on. IIRC he even dropped Bhuvi after his 5 wicket haul. Hope he doesn't have a personal or Delhi agenda.

If you mean for the first test against NZ, it was a dry wkt in Kanpur and they selected a bowler who could reverse swing the ball... For the 3rd test, Bhuvi was injured

[New guy]

21 hours ago, Viper said:

Actually our team that toured Sl had lot of exp they are playing since 2011 or so..

Vijay

Pujara

Kohli 

Rahane

ASH

Mishra

Good team was already made... 

 Those players are at end of there careers when we toured AUS and ENG where we lost badly. Captain can only do certain bit..

Some people are sad that India is finally winning big in tests and attacking. Sad

[Zero_Unit]

You guys are a bit too harsh here on both Kohli and Dhoni.

Regardless of your view, Dhoni is by far the most successful Indian captain ever! This guy has brought team India a lot of glory. 

 

Also, Kohli will do great aswell. Just cause he is aggressive doesn't mean he can't be a great captain aswell. Pointing was no way in hell a quite/calm captain. But look at where Australia ended up under his leadership. 

 

Gotta support your captain yo!

[velu]

5 hours ago, New guy said:

Some people are sad that India is finally winning big in tests and attacking. Sad

and this is coming from the guy who usually blames the team to defend his favorite player

 

[mancalledsting]

12 hours ago, Viper said:

Big ? Kyunsa big lol 

 

Sl WI away 

 

And Rest at home we that we are supposed to win anyway.. 

 

Not sure what made you think i m sad about it but ok  what ever ya say man.. Not going to argue

 

SL victory was big on so many levels, helping to overcome so many horrible Indian test team stereotypes that have haunted us for years:

 

After 22 years, India won Test series (2-1) vs Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka - their only previous series win against them in Sri Lanka was by 1-0 in 1993.

 

For the first time ever, India won two successive Tests vs Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka. 

 

For the first time ever, India won an overseas Test series after trailing behind in the series.

 

In all India have won three Test deciders after trailing the series - the first two being the 1972-73 five-Test series vs England in India and 2000-01 three-Test series vs Australia in India.

 

For only the fifth time, excluding Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, India won two Tests in an overseas series.

 

 

As as for the South African series:

 

337 India's margin of victory, their biggest in terms of runs in Test history, beating their 320-run win against Australia in Mohali in 2008-09. It was also the second-biggest Test defeat for South Africa in terms of runs, next only to their 530-run loss against Australia in Melbourne in 1910

 

0.99 – South Africa’s run rate in the fourth innings at Feroz Shah Kotla, the lowest by any team innings in the history of Test cricket with at least 100 overs.

 

53 – Number of balls Faf du Plessis needed to get off the mark, the most by a South African to get off zero in a Test innings.

 

10.24 – The strike rate of Hashim Amla during the second innings in Delhi, the lowest in history of Test cricket where the batsman batted at least 200 balls.

 

0.64 – The run rate of partnership between AB de Villiers and Hashim Amla (27 off 253 balls), the lowest in history of Tests with minimum 100 balls.

 

 

Anyway, even Without looking at the stats, a general knowledge and appreciation of Indias test cricket history is suffice to avoid childish comments like "kyunsa big". 

 

Edited October 15, 2016 by mancalledsting

[New guy]

10 hours ago, velu said:

and this is coming from the guy who usually blames the team to defend his favorite player

 

You seem like a big hypocrite when you blamed Sachin/Dravid fans for doing this but are doing this 100 times worse to defend Dhoni now. Dhoni > team and Indian wins obviously

 

Also see comment above specifically for Dhoni chamcas who don't recognize that we are creating history under Kohli

Edited October 15, 2016 by New guy

[Gambit]

Most recent Indian captains started well. Dhoni's start was amazing and people thought his thinking was out of the box and he was always in the game. That quickly changed and by 2011 he had started to look stale and reactionary. Most captains (unless you have a team like Steve Waugh or Clive Lloyd) have a shelf life and for Dhoni that should have been max 4 years. 

[jf1gp_1]

On 10/13/2016 at 11:01 PM, New guy said:

So when Sachin, Dravid, Laxman were abused for hanging on for too long by Dhoni fans you never had a problem. But when people are genuinely concerned about Dhoni overstaying you do? Even now some people are bragging about how Dhoni got rid of seniors 

 

There is no love of Indian cricket here, just blind Dhoni devotion by some

Sachin retired at 40, dravid and laxman both was  37+ even sehwag was 33 when he was dropped. Dhoni retired at 33 from test cricket. Not sure how can you define this as over stay.

 

On the topic Kohli has certainly started well. I just hope he continues doing well, real test is still some time away hopefully he and the team would have matured further by then. 

Edited October 16, 2016 by jf1gp_1

[gakgupta]

58 minutes ago, Gambit said:

Most recent Indian captains started well. Dhoni's start was amazing and people thought his thinking was out of the box and he was always in the game. That quickly changed and by 2011 he had started to look stale and reactionary. Most captains (unless you have a team like Steve Waugh or Clive Lloyd) have a shelf life and for Dhoni that should have been max 4 years. 

100% agree with you....People have a hang-over and continue to think that he is still the best and they blame everything else for the defeat.

 

I am curious to know what will be the shelf life of kohli.....

He has started his captaincy career in the best possible way

[jf1gp_1]

1 hour ago, Gambit said:

Most recent Indian captains started well. Dhoni's start was amazing and people thought his thinking was out of the box and he was always in the game. That quickly changed and by 2011 he had started to look stale and reactionary. Most captains (unless you have a team like Steve Waugh or Clive Lloyd) have a shelf life and for Dhoni that should have been max 4 years. 

Another thing people dont talk about is the kind of retirements Dhoni had to face, look at pontings record before and after their greats started retiring. Can you imagine a player like mitch marsh getting into aussie test side just 5-7 yrs ago. 

[New guy]

1 minute ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Another thing people dont talk about is the kind of retirements Dhoni had to face, look at pontings record before and after their greats started retiring. Can you imagine a player like mitch marsh getting into aussie test side just 5-7 yrs ago. 

When people criticize Dhoni more than win or loss, they criticize his poor handling of bowlers, particularly pacers and having no long term strategy or plan except being reactionary. Even while winning, this is clearly seen and criticized.

 

I don't know why you are pretending that his record is being criticized and not what he does on the field.. If his record needs to be criticized, it should be in T20 where he has been an average captain and player with an average record and there was no senior player retirement involved. 

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[New guy]

1 hour ago, Gambit said:

Most recent Indian captains started well. Dhoni's start was amazing and people thought his thinking was out of the box and he was always in the game. That quickly changed and by 2011 he had started to look stale and reactionary. Most captains (unless you have a team like Steve Waugh or Clive Lloyd) have a shelf life and for Dhoni that should have been max 4 years. 

That doesn't prevent us from seeing the clear difference between the two regardless of results. Dhoni started with his big T20 win. He was all about instincts and street smartness. This never translated well to test matches. He always depended on doing the safe thing and then using his instincts to make changes. That was never going to bring long term success in tests

 

Kohli on the other hand seems to have a longer term plan to develop bowlers and have a core team. This might not work in LOIs as well as Dhoni did but his test team is likely to have longer term success

41 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Sachin retired at 40, dravid and laxman both was  37+ even sehwag was 33 when he was dropped. Dhoni retired at 33 from test cricket. Not sure how can you define this as over stay.

 

Dhoni has one of the worst T20 statistics of any cricketer who played in recent times in terms of strike rate. He was been a passenger in T20 for a long time, living of the 2007 glory and ordinary as a captain. Dhoni's glamour and appeal was always about LOIs so him retiring from test which he was never interested in was not a big deal particularly when his record is no where close to the players you mentioned

Edited October 16, 2016 by New guy

[gakgupta]

Sachin retired at 40, dravid and laxman both was  37+ even sehwag was 33 when he was dropped. Dhoni retired at 33 from test cricket. Not sure how can you define this as over stay.

 

On the topic Kohli has certainly started well. I just hope he continues doing well, real test is still some time away hopefully he and the team would have matured further by then. 

Age might not be the right parameter for the overstay.....his form, skillset should be the deciding factor...

He certainly overstayed

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[philcric]

Dhoni is not over staying as a player.

 

He was an average test player abroad. He was also not particularly invested in test cricket anyway. He retired at the right time.

 

He is still a very good ODI player. Definitely deserves his spot in the team as Wk-Bat.

 

He has been an average international T20 batter for many years. He has actually been playing much better in the last 1 year. So on recent performances he deserves his spot in the team.

 

He's definitely over staying as a captain. He's nothing more to offer as a captain, well past his best.

 

[putrevus]

Dhoni should become no4 in odis, he is good runner between the wickets and does not soak up lot of dot balls. Quit captaincy in all formats and just enjoy batting and keeping in ODIs.

[Texan]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Dhoni should become no4 in odis, he is good runner between the wickets and does not soak up lot of dot balls. Quit captaincy in all formats and just enjoy batting and keeping in ODIs.

Exactly.

[Lannister]

So what did the 'D' do today? Its becoming pitiful seeing him drag his arse among youngsters. 

[velu]

17 hours ago, New guy said:

You seem like a big hypocrite when you blamed Sachin/Dravid fans for doing this but are doing this 100 times worse to defend Dhoni now. Dhoni > team and Indian wins obviously

 

Also see comment above specifically for Dhoni chamcas who don't recognize that we are creating history under Kohli

never blamed dravid fans ..

i blame the lunatic fans like you who defended/defend/(will be defending) sachin forever ..

 

dude .. there is no group of fans who are worse than sachin fans , just check what happened to sharapova

 

and again what do you mean creating history ?? records ?

 

 

51 minutes ago, Lannister said:

So what did the 'D' do today? Its becoming pitiful seeing him drag his arse among youngsters. 

then dont see

apply burnol properly when you are applying it for your unmentionables