To hell with Shastri - This is probably the worst Indian side ever, for overseas tours

[R!TTER]

The numbers are here, just one match drawn & 7 lost while chasing. Forget about winning tests we're unable to draw them, we got bowled inside 70 overs 5 times this year. Worst avg while chasing among all major teams, Kohli & Shastri should hang their heads in shame!

 

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Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
India	2015-2018	8	0	7	0	1	0.000	19.23	2.92	8	345	112
New Zealand	2015-2016	7	0	6	0	1	0.000	22.58	3.07	7	295	153
Zimbabwe	2018-2018	1	0	1	0	0	0.000	24.88	2.69	1	224	224
South Africa	2015-2018	9	1	8	0	0	0.125	17.75	2.46	9	290	73
Sri Lanka	2015-2018	9	1	5	0	3	0.200	26.15	2.98	9	299	196
Bangladesh	2017-2018	5	1	4	0	0	0.250	19.47	3.05	5	250	90
Australia	2015-2018	13	3	9	0	1	0.333	21.04	3.08	13	362	107
England	2015-2017	9	2	6	0	1	0.333	20.82	2.64	9	312	101
West Indies	2015-2018	8	2	6	0	0	0.333	27.27	3.10	8	322	139
Pakistan	2015-2018	16	6	10	0	0	0.600	25.95	3.08	16	450	81

 

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Team	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
Bangladesh	3	0	3	0	0	0.000	15.33	3.41	3	169	123
West Indies	2	0	1	0	1	0.000	19.06	2.98	2	147	139
India	7	1	6	0	0	0.166	19.86	3.10	7	345	135
Pakistan	4	2	2	0	0	1.000	21.26	3.20	4	171	156
South Africa	5	1	4	0	0	0.250	21.36	3.08	5	298	73
Australia	5	0	4	0	1	0.000	22.19	2.63	5	362	107
Zimbabwe	1	0	1	0	0	0.000	24.88	2.69	1	224	224
Sri Lanka	5	1	4	0	0	0.250	24.93	3.10	5	284	226
England	1	0	1	0	0	0.000	31.70	3.02	1	317	317
New Zealand	1	0	0	0	1	0.000	32.00	2.05	1	256	-

Edited December 18, 2018 by R!TTER

[zen]

8 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

 

 

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Team	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
Bangladesh	3	0	3	0	0	0.000	15.33	3.41	3	169	123
West Indies	2	0	1	0	1	0.000	19.06	2.98	2	147	139
India	7	1	6	0	0	0.166	19.86	3.10	7	345	135
Pakistan	4	2	2	0	0	1.000	21.26	3.20	4	171	156
South Africa	5	1	4	0	0	0.250	21.36	3.08	5	298	73
Australia	5	0	4	0	1	0.000	22.19	2.63	5	362	107
Zimbabwe	1	0	1	0	0	0.000	24.88	2.69	1	224	224
Sri Lanka	5	1	4	0	0	0.250	24.93	3.10	5	284	226
England	1	0	1	0	0	0.000	31.70	3.02	1	317	317
New Zealand	1	0	0	0	1	0.000	32.00	2.05	1	256	-

I guess, below is how you meant the 2nd table to be:

 

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Team	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
Pakistan	2	2	0	0	0	-	37.66	3.91	2	160	-
Sri Lanka	2	1	1	0	0	1.000	23.12	2.99	2	226	226
Bangladesh	1	0	1	0	0	0.000	16.80	4.00	1	168	168
West Indies	1	0	1	0	0	0.000	13.90	3.93	1	139	139
Zimbabwe	1	0	1	0	0	0.000	24.88	2.69	1	224	224
Australia	2	0	2	0	0	0.000	11.30	2.61	2	119	107
South Africa	2	0	2	0	0	0.000	18.15	3.13	2	290	73
India	6	0	6	0	0	0.000	18.61	3.03	6	345	135

[R!TTER]

Yeah but I also wanted to highlight our batting during the 4th innings of a test, I should've done 3 tables & excluded WI at home.

Edited December 18, 2018 by R!TTER

[Kothili]

Sack Kohli and Ass3 already. 

[Oldhere]

Either all those who are creating such threads haven’t experienced the pain of being an Indian supporter on such tours.

 

we never used to take 20 wickets and only due to our batting used to draw few matches or maybe once in a blue moon win.

 

look at it now, we won a test each and were atleast competitive.

 

I know and agree that we have lost good opportunities so far in all series this year but frankly speaking rhis team isnt the shittest team overseas.

[prasen82]

Shi$$iest batting unit in a long time and the worst openers in a very longggg time...

 

 

Anyways only old-timers care about tests.. so it doesn't matter for kohli or bcci.. let the tamasha continue...

 

 

Test matches should prolly be in evenings and for maybe 60 overs and 6 days.. and market it like a carnival.. great food.. music.. proper mexican waves.. fireworks.. face painting.. caricature paintings.. a beer stand here and there.. dance floor.. It should be a family event for different sets of audiences .... needs to evolve..

 

[R!TTER]

2 hours ago, Oldhere said:

Either all those who are creating such threads haven’t experienced the pain of being an Indian supporter on such tours.

 

we never used to take 20 wickets and only due to our batting used to draw few matches or maybe once in a blue moon win.

 

look at it now, we won a test each and were atleast competitive.

 

I know and agree that we have lost good opportunities so far in all series this year but frankly speaking rhis team isnt the shittest team overseas.

We were never ranked no.1 for this long in the past & the likes of SA, Aus so consistently lower than us.

[Deleted_User_1]

The aging team that toured England and Aus in 2011 was far worse. At least this team can bowl a bit. The other team was full of maharathis on the decline and had an ineffective bowling lineup and was getting plain embarrassed. 

[R!TTER]

So you're comparing a team on the decline with this team, boasting no.1 rank for well over 2 years now? Not to mention the teams we faced in Eng/Aus were much better than this lot.

Edited December 19, 2018 by R!TTER

[SK_IH]

This team is comparable to Dhoni's side post 2011 overseas in respect of lack of resilience.Once the things go downhill, there will be no back to the wall performance. This led from the front by Virat, he could have at least one chase out of so many this year but continuously failed at the crunch. Virat so far has stats but no standout effort overseas even comparable to the one recently by Williamson.

Coming to bowling, I have said before, if Ind loses this series, howsoever good Ishant, Shami and Umesh have been , Ind should move on from them. 

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, prasen82 said:

 

 

Test matches should prolly be in evenings and for maybe 60 overs and 6 days.. and market it like a carnival.. great food.. music.. proper mexican waves.. fireworks.. face painting.. caricature paintings.. a beer stand here and there.. dance floor.. It should be a family event for different sets of audiences .... needs to evolve..

 

 

 

Very good idea.

 

Tests for 60 overs for 6 evenings.

 

People are very comfortable with watching 40 overs an evening in T20s.  Just 20 more overs would fit in smoothly.

 

And it must be a party / picnic like environment on the ground ... to attract families and youngsters.

 

 

 

 

[raki05]

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That's ridiculous. I am surprised few people still believes that this team is best overseas team in past 10-15 years. 

[raki05]

4 hours ago, SK_IH said:

This team is comparable to Dhoni's side post 2011 overseas in respect of lack of resilience.Once the things go downhill, there will be no back to the wall performance. This led from the front by Virat, he could have at least one chase out of so many this year but continuously failed at the crunch. Virat so far has stats but no standout effort overseas even comparable to the one recently by Williamson.

Coming to bowling, I have said before, if Ind loses this series, howsoever good Ishant, Shami and Umesh have been , Ind should move on from them. 

Exactly in test his innings are of no use. He has always failed at crunch situation, i am not blaming him for losses as it's team game, but the kind of batsmen he is, he should have at-least won one or two matches especially when we have bowlers who brought us in to the game during eng and sa series 3-4 times by restricting oppositions.

[velu]

probably this is our best bowling unit as far as i had seen ..

batting sucks though

 

if one opener played long enough like vijay did in his earlier tour , our batting might have come good

[jusarrived]

6 hours ago, prasen82 said:

Shi$$iest batting unit in a long time and the worst openers in a very longggg time...

 

 

Anyways only old-timers care about tests.. so it doesn't matter for kohli or bcci.. let the tamasha continue...

 

 

Test matches should prolly be in evenings and for maybe 60 overs and 6 days.. and market it like a carnival.. great food.. music.. proper mexican waves.. fireworks.. face painting.. caricature paintings.. a beer stand here and there.. dance floor.. It should be a family event for different sets of audiences .... needs to evolve..

 

Dint look like it when virat took over , infact the same set of batsmen had done much better than Fab4 had done on their first away tours . 

[ShoonyaSifar]

From being critical of Kohli the captain, to now calling Kohli the batsman useless. Go easy on the hate guys

Edited December 19, 2018 by ShoonyaSifar

[jusarrived]

1 hour ago, velu said:

probably this is our best bowling unit as far as i had seen ..

batting sucks though

 

if one opener played long enough like vijay did in his earlier tour , our batting might have come good

Bowling is topclass only cos of Bumrah and Shami is not injured . Otherwise its the same old Yadav , Ishant , jadeja , Ashwin , Bhuvi..

[R!TTER]

Going by that logic this lineup is the best only because they aren't bowling to Aus best ever batting lineup - Hayden, Langer, Ponting, Martyn, Waugh, Katich, Gilly & at one point in time IIRC the top 7 all avg above 50 

 

I'm not sure if we played them when all 7 (or 6) avg above 50 but that 2004 series was undoubtedly Aus best batting side ever. If you're (not you individually per se) looking to downplay the achievements of past Indian teams, how about knowing the history & context first?

Edited December 19, 2018 by R!TTER

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

When we had the batting, we didn't have the bowling to take 20 wickets. Now that we have the bowlers to take 20 wickets, we don't have the batting to put runs on the board.  Shame.

 

I can't fault Kohli for the players he's backing. Vijay, Pujara and Rahane have shown glimpses in overseas matches and they are also picked exclusively for Tests, so you expect that's where their priorities should lie and they don't have to worry about ODI cricket. Kohli was late to hop on the KL Rahul bandwagon and now he's completely hopeless.

 

The time is right to try out a new opening pair, but we also need to expect more from Pujara and Rahane who haven't been consistent overseas.

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

41 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Bowling is topclass only cos of Bumrah and Shami is not injured . Otherwise its the same old Yadav , Ishant , jadeja , Ashwin , Bhuvi..

The "same old" have been performing this year.

 

Umesh Yadav in 2018:

 

Matches: 5

Wickets: 20

Average: 20.60

Strike Rate: 37.15

 

Ishant Sharma in 2018:

 

Matches: 10

Wickets: 38

Average: 21.39

Strike Rate: 48.55

 

Ravindra Jadeja in 2018:

 

Matches: 3

Wickets: 20

Average: 18.10

Strike Rate: 36.20

 

Ravichandran Ashwin in 2018:

 

Matches: 10

Wickets: 38

Average: 25.36

Strike Rate: 60.94

 

Bhuvneshwar Kumar in 2018:

 

Matches: 2

Wickets: 10

Average: 20.29

Strike Rate: 40.20