Now that's the difference between Saini and Thakur....

[gakgupta]

Well....

Saini looks class apart when compared to thakur....

 

Sad thakur was ahead of saini in pecking order all this while

 

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[gakgupta]

Well....
Saini looks class apart when compared to thakur....
 
Sad thakur was ahead of saini in pecking order all this while
 
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Lol ..

As i opened this thread, saini was carted for handful of runs...

His speeds has reduced...

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[gakgupta]

I get the feeling that his fitness levels have to be improved....

His speeds decreased considerably in the last overs

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[express bowling]

On 12/22/2019 at 5:05 PM, gakgupta said:

I get the feeling that his fitness levels have to be improved....

His speeds decreased considerably in the last overs

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I have seen Saini bowl at same high speed in the 10th over of a long spell in a Ranji match. It is not an issue of stamina.

 

His speeds have reduced a bit in the slog overs because he does not want to get hit but wants to focus on accuracy.  So, he is not going flat out. Sadly, this approach often leads to reduced accuracy too. A pacer is at his most accurate at his normal speeds, which is quick bowling for Saini.

 

 

Edited December 25, 2019 by express bowling

[Rasgulla]

23 minutes ago, gakgupta said:

 

Well....

Saini looks class apart when compared to thakur....

 

Sad thakur was ahead of saini in pecking order all this while

 

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Should have waited till match was over atleast 

 

he is getting plentyyyy in his last overs 

[RAZPOR]

2 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Should have waited till match was over atleast 

 

he is getting plentyyyy in his last overs 

wont change the fact that saini can still buy wickets and is a wicket taker ,he has the yorkers so i am sure with time he ll get the composure to execute them in pressure situations too.

[tweaker]

27 minutes ago, gakgupta said:

I get the feeling that his fitness levels have to be improved....

His speeds decreased considerably in the last overs

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I think he was bowling as advised by the team management.

They may have told him to be accurate

[vishalvirsingh]

Difference between shardul n saini is Just PACE.

From line n length point ..both are similar.

I think shardul bowls at 135k average and saini 140k ...

[express bowling]

14 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Difference between shardul n saini is Just PACE.

From line n length point ..both are similar.

I think shardul bowls at 135k average and saini 140k ...

 

Saini compared to Shardul ....

 

Bowls at much better pace

Gets more skid off the pitch

Gets more bounce from just short of a length 

Has a better bouncer

Has developed a better inswinging yorker 

 

 

[Forever Indian]

Thakur is crap, has nothing unique to offer the team.

 

Saint is good for initial and middle overs for now. Needs to practice Yorkers as they were coming as full toss in the match. Will come with practice and experience and he should be good for death overs as well.

[raki05]

I remember in wc 2003 final our most experience Pacer Srinath along with young nehra and Zak were serving full toss in final overs to pointing. One bad match can happens all we need to see how he does from here.

[prudent_kreeda]

3 hours ago, Forever Indian said:

Thakur is crap, has nothing unique to offer the team.

 

Saint is good for initial and middle overs for now. Needs to practice Yorkers as they were coming as full toss in the match. Will come with practice and experience and he should be good for death overs as well.

       Bowling Yorkers after Yorkers with great precision is very rare, some days it won't come out for most guys . 

       I hope he develops a plan B when yorkers do not come out well. 

       Could be few  slow bouncers & normal bouncers, wide full length deliveries beyond the arc of hitting Zone .

       One should also give credit to the quality of batsmanship today at the last phase of the innings .  

[sarcastic]

The difference is that Thakur can bat and Saini cannot. 

Thakur is needed as a pace bowling all rounder who could bowl at greater than 135 KMPH and pick few odd wickets but comfortably finish his 10 overs quota and then help the team win with the bat like the situations in 3rd ODI.

Saini's duty is to bowl fast and get wickets for his team with his bowling alone. 

Team India needs both of them for different roles in the team. 

 

India needed 30 runs to win in 23 balls when Thakur came into bat and because it was Thakur, India chased within 49 overs. If we had some one like Saini or Bumrah who is a good bowler but a mug with the bat at number 8 position, we would have lost it. 

 

Every player is different and valuable to the team in different ways. We do not need to belittle someone to praise the other. 

[Frustrated]

I m sure the selectors hv been keeping an eye on thakur (despite him being a mediocre bowler) is becz he can hang around with the bat.  If required, he can slog a few too. His cameo against the windies was not an one off event.  (as some ICFers have posted).   Thakur had played a similar cameo against england too in the 3rd odi (the decider) of our 2018 tour., where he scored around 20 off 10. (It's a different story that we lost that match).    With little improvement in his bowling speed, he can be a big asset for our team.

Edited December 25, 2019 by Frustrated

[Vickydev]

It's a role i think TM is looking at for LOIs. One of the medium pacers who can bat at 8. All 3 Bhuvi, Chahar and Shardul fall in this category. While Bhuvi is clearly the first choice for now, Chahar brings in better wicket taking ability while Shardul seems a better striker of the ball, Bhajji like. All 3 again are looked at as death over specialists.

If we go with 3 pacers going forward ,having Saini/Shami and Bumrah as the other two of this trio seems a good fit. Saini though can also hang around with the bat of what i have seen of him. What we are still missing is a backup for Bumrah, which is fine as he is a rarity in Indian cricket anyway.

[R!TTER]

On 12/22/2019 at 9:12 PM, raki05 said:

I remember in wc 2003 final our most experience Pacer Srinath along with young nehra and Zak

You remember it wrong then, Zak shat the bed that day with the horrendous first over 

 

Nehra was the best Indian pacer on display & I remember Ponting hitting unbelievable sixes that day, never forget the spring in his bat 

 

While Srinath didn't do great it was more down to his (lack of) pace more than anything else, I say bowling that 1 bad over first up titled the entire game in Favor of Oz, can't remember a worse start to a major tournament finale ever

[express bowling]

19 minutes ago, Vickydev said:

It's a role i think TM is looking at for LOIs. One of the medium pacers who can bat at 8. All 3 Bhuvi, Chahar and Shardul fall in this category. While Bhuvi is clearly the first choice for now, Chahar brings in better wicket taking ability while Shardul seems a better striker of the ball, Bhajji like. All 3 again are looked at as death over specialists.

If we go with 3 pacers going forward ,having Saini/Shami and Bumrah as the other two of this trio seems a good fit. Saini though can also hang around with the bat of what i have seen of him. What we are still missing is a backup for Bumrah, which is fine as he is a rarity in Indian cricket anyway.

 

Good observations. 

 

A pace attack like

Bumrah

Shami / Saini

Chahar / Shardul / Bhuvi

look balanced

 

Only problem is  ... if Bumrah is not there then this TM can have pace lineups like

Bhuvi

Chahar / Shardul

Shami / Saini

 

And such attacks look a bit too slow.

 

[raki05]

53 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

You remember it wrong then, Zak shat the bed that day with the horrendous first over 

 

Nehra was the best Indian pacer on display & I remember Ponting hitting unbelievable sixes that day, never forget the spring in his bat 

 

While Srinath didn't do great it was more down to his (lack of) pace more than anything else, I say bowling that 1 bad over first up titled the entire game in Favor of Oz, can't remember a worse start to a major tournament finale ever

But at death overs I remember all of them were serving full toss....though no denying what you said earlier that nehra was best of the lot.

[R!TTER]

Yes, some full tosses for sure but most sixes IIRC were off length or slower balls. That one handed flick off a leg slower(?) ball full toss from Nehra was unreal, I'm sure if you've seen that full match you'll remember it vividly.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, Vickydev said:

It's a role i think TM is looking at for LOIs. One of the medium pacers who can bat at 8. All 3 Bhuvi, Chahar and Shardul fall in this category. While Bhuvi is clearly the first choice for now, Chahar brings in better wicket taking ability while Shardul seems a better striker of the ball, Bhajji like. All 3 again are looked at as death over specialists.

If we go with 3 pacers going forward ,having Saini/Shami and Bumrah as the other two of this trio seems a good fit. Saini though can also hang around with the bat of what i have seen of him. What we are still missing is a backup for Bumrah, which is fine as he is a rarity in Indian cricket anyway.

if we need batting might as well to go ashwin...he is a far better bowler then chahar or shardul

Chahar n Shardul dont warrent a place in ODI as bowlers 

Chahar holds a place as bowler in t20 but not ODI 

 

Bowlers shud be picked for bowling 1st. Rather have wkt taking bowler who can make the diff of opp total then that extra batting of 10-15 runs which also will come once in a while