With Saha in doubt, Pant must play England

[jf1gp_1]

7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

You don't need to be in LOIs to play tests. Both are difference formats.

Then let me rephrase, pant who is supposed to be a fit for loi and not being able to capitalize on opportunities given so far, thus not even in loi squad should be played ahead of DK in test ?

[Suhaan]

3 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Then let me rephrase, pant who is supposed to be a fit for loi and not being able to capitalize on opportunities given so far, thus not even in loi squad should be played ahead of DK in test ?

Pant to start with hasnt been given that much opportunity to perform,while there are others who have been given a longer rope,you cant say he failed to capitalize,Im saying it could be harsh if he is tried in England test but deserved his chance atleast in the t20s,adding to that Pant played a mature match winning knock in the Triangular A tournament

[rkt.india]

9 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Then let me rephrase, pant who is supposed to be a fit for loi and not being able to capitalize on opportunities given so far, thus not even in loi squad should be played ahead of DK in test ?

Yes because both are different formats. He has played 3-4 T20s till now and it is poor selection that he isn't a regular in T20s. Pant is supposed to be fit for all formats. More so, he made his name by smashing records in Ranji trophy.

[Pollack]

1 hour ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Then let me rephrase, pant who is supposed to be a fit for loi and not being able to capitalize on opportunities given so far, thus not even in loi squad should be played ahead of DK in test ?

What do you mean by opportunities given so far?  Are 4 t20 matches considered opportunities to judge him? Of those 4 t20 matches, in one match he faced just 3 balls and remained not out on 5. In one match he got out cheaply. In the remaining two he did score 23 and 38 albeit at run a ball i.e at a slower rate for t20s.Is this what you call given opportunity? If standards are such high India should have been sweeping every damn series and ICC trophies and bilateral tests and ODIs and T20s. And Rohit, Jadeja, Ishant, Umesh would have never made a career. Yours favourite Dhoni himself wouldn't have.Unfortunately whichever way you may want to twist your logic Pant has not been given proper opportunities inspite of deserving it.

Edited July 11, 2018 by Pollack

[sriniwu]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

You don't need to be in LOIs to play tests. Both are difference formats.

there are many players who play test matches in LOI's

[Pollack]

3 hours ago, sriniwu said:

there are many players who play test matches in LOI's

And a few get selected in tests benching test specialist based on ODI form.

 

[figo6762]

Wow....... really people are debating about Pant... What has he done in the India "A" tour  recently ? How ishe doing in the recent game against WI ? W.r.t DK, has anybody checked DK's last ranji season ? seriously people decisions are based on numbers not feelings. DK is the best indian wk choice (age does not matter, performance does). Performance consists of fitness and match effectiveness. DK will tick the fitness box for sure, he needs to given a shot to see how effective in test match situations for India. Lets stop arguing, Pant has a long way to go. Hitting bowlers around the park in IPL does not account for test team inclusion, if that is the case suryakumar yadav should be test # 3 for India.

[Austin 3:!6]

10 hours ago, Pollack said:

What do you mean by opportunities given so far?  Are 4 t20 matches considered opportunities to judge him? Of those 4 t20 matches, in one match he faced just 3 balls and remained not out on 5. In one match he got out cheaply. In the remaining two he did score 23 and 38 albeit at run a ball i.e at a slower rate for t20s.Is this what you call given opportunity? If standards are such high India should have been sweeping every damn series and ICC trophies and bilateral tests and ODIs and T20s. And Rohit, Jadeja, Ishant, Umesh would have never made a career. Yours favourite Dhoni himself wouldn't have.Unfortunately whichever way you may want to twist your logic Pant has not been given proper opportunities inspite of deserving it.

How? He played one of the greatest innings on his 3rd ODI itself and there was no turning back. He didn't had any backing like Mumbai cricketers neither any godfather. He was a young boy from Ranchi which has never produced any international cricketer before.

[Tibarn]

I wonder why Naman Ohja fell off the face of the Earth... 

[Pollack]

25 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

How? He played one of the greatest innings on his 3rd ODI itself and there was no turning back. He didn't had any backing like Mumbai cricketers neither any godfather. He was a young boy from Ranchi which has never produced any international cricketer before.

Dhoni played his first series against Bangladesh. In 3 match series, dhoni failed to score much. And by logic of above poster that means he failed to grab opportunity and obviously should have been dropped for the next series against Pakistan. For first matches of his career dhoni scored just 22 runs even less than Pant currently. He played the mentioned innings in his 5th match.

Not having any selector's backing is just your usual self ranting. Has no relevance to the point being discussed. In fact the argument is self defeating since Karthik and parthiv were better choices than Dhoni at that moment technically(performance wise). But still he was selected based on potential. Isn't this what we expect for Pant? 

[Cricket_Fan]

On 7/10/2018 at 3:04 PM, Laaloo said:

Seems like those advocating for dk because he hit a few half centuries 11 years ago would also have no problem if we recall rp Singh again. Rp Singh did have more success than dk did right? 

Is Rp still playing Ranji? Dk made truckloads of runs in Ranji in the last few seasons.

Edited July 11, 2018 by Cricket_Fan

[speedheat]

Some People here are whining and crying about pant not being able to capitalize on opportunities  as if he has been given 4 fresh odi series and not 4t20is

A talent like pant should be given 4 straight odi or test match series 2 against tough teams and 2 against slightly weaker teams to judge or criticize him but these desperate and insecure dhoni chamchas 

[speedheat]

No dk no pant I say bring back that guy who recently played his best test match knock post retirement 54 off 114 something 

[Austin 3:!6]

31 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Dhoni played his first series against Bangladesh. In 3 match series, dhoni failed to score much. And by logic of above poster that means he failed to grab opportunity and obviously should have been dropped for the next series against Pakistan. For first matches of his career dhoni scored just 22 runs even less than Pant currently. He played the mentioned innings in his 5th match.

Not having any selector's backing is just your usual self ranting. Has no relevance to the point being discussed. In fact the argument is self defeating since Karthik and parthiv were better choices than Dhoni at that moment technically(performance wise). But still he was selected based on potential. Isn't this what we expect for Pant? 

I agree with your overall point that Pant deserves more chances but your analogy with Dhoni is not correct. MS Dhoni was destined to be great and nothing could have stopped him. Some players give that superstar feeling due to their x-factor or whatever and likes of Sehwag, MSD, Yuvi, Sachin etc gave that feeling from the very 1st game

Edited July 11, 2018 by Austin 3:!6

[Pollack]

59 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 MS Dhoni was destined to be great and nothing could have stopped him. 

And why is Pant not destined to be great. Are you the writer of destiny?

[Laaloo]

3 hours ago, Tibarn said:

I wonder why Naman Ohja fell off the face of the Earth... 

Thaliava

[Rasgulla]

7 hours ago, speedheat said:

No dk no pant I say bring back that guy who recently played his best test match knock post retirement 54 off 114 something 

Bot you are outdated 3(13) just like your Bangladeshi player mushi..

[jf1gp_1]

21 hours ago, Pollack said:

What do you mean by opportunities given so far?  Are 4 t20 matches considered opportunities to judge him? Of those 4 t20 matches, in one match he faced just 3 balls and remained not out on 5. In one match he got out cheaply. In the remaining two he did score 23 and 38 albeit at run a ball i.e at a slower rate for t20s.Is this what you call given opportunity? If standards are such high India should have been sweeping every damn series and ICC trophies and bilateral tests and ODIs and T20s. And Rohit, Jadeja, Ishant, Umesh would have never made a career. Yours favourite Dhoni himself wouldn't have.Unfortunately whichever way you may want to twist your logic Pant has not been given proper opportunities inspite of deserving it.

Why are few like you obsessed with pant ? Why isnt anyone talking about Ishan Kishan?  am sure their are other keeper batsman why not them ? Pant as of today isnt the gilchrist avatar you think he is, he maybe in future but i know if saha is injured then DK is our best chance to contribute towards test win in england.

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Why are few like you obsessed with pant ? Why isnt anyone talking about Ishan Kishan?  am sure their are other keeper batsman why not them ? Pant as of today isnt the gilchrist avatar you think he is, he maybe in future but i know if saha is injured then DK is our best chance to contribute towards test win in england.

No one here seems obsessed with Pant, pant only gets attention because he has done quite well in the domestics (2016,2017seaaon)too.Fans here also know to differentiate between t20s and tests so no one seems bringing his stellar ipl  performance this year either..the thing is ,we as fans dont want to fall back to same old guys time and again,the lack of planning is quite apparant here,due to which we are left with situations like this,Kishan is super talented but the same logic can be applied for him too that he too doesn'tn have the backing of good performances atleast in the domestics,it is worth drooling to have both Pant,Kishan and other youngsters in the setup,I dont think noone discriminating here

[jf1gp_1]

54 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

No one here seems obsessed with Pant, pant only gets attention because he has done quite well in the domestics (2016,2017seaaon)too.Fans here also know to differentiate between t20s and tests so no one seems bringing his stellar ipl  performance this year either..the thing is ,we as fans dont want to fall back to same old guys time and again,the lack of planning is quite apparant here,due to which we are left with situations like this,Kishan is super talented but the same logic can be applied for him too that he too doesn'tn have the backing of good performances atleast in the domestics,it is worth drooling to have both Pant,Kishan and other youngsters in the setup,I dont think noone discriminating here

Read title of thread if saha not available then play pant not if saha not available then we need to field a young keeper instead of DK or partiv.