Hardik Pandya can learn from Ben Stokes, says Ian Chappell

[Ankit_sharma03]

He might still be a “work in progress” but Hardik Pandya could take a cue from Ben Stokes’ bowling during the ongoing series, which could prove to be a “defining one” in the all-rounder’s career, feels Ian Chappell.

The former Australian captain also feels that Pandya should be batting at No 6 in the current line-up.

“India’s search for a seam-bowling allrounder is still a work in progress but Hardik Pandya displayed determination and discipline to go with his undoubted skills in an important partnership with Kohli,” Chappell wrote in his column for ESPN Cricinfo.

“Perhaps a move to No 6 would further bolster his batting confidence and if he can also profit from watching Stokes’ efforts with the ball, this could be a defining series for the talented all-rounder,” Chappell assessed.

In his column Chappell paid glowing tribute to Indian captain Virat Kohli, comparing his Edgbaston hundred to Stan McCabe’s epic double hundred during the 1938 Ashes, which even made Sir Don Bradman give a standing ovation.

“Having survived Anderson’s challenging examination Kohli went on to dominate the Indian first innings, scoring 82 of the 91 runs accumulated for the last two wickets.

“It was a similar dominance near the end of Stan McCabe’s glorious double-century at Trent Bridge in 1938 that caused captain Don Bradman to summon his players onto the balcony with the words; “You will never see anything like this again.” Chappell wrote.

Not one to mince his words, Chappell found the slip catching from both teams shoddy.

“Both England and India were sloppy in the slips, with a combination of poor technique and faulty alignment being to blame for the shoddy work. One reason for both sides dropping catches is that the fielders are standing too close to each other, thereby causing confusion,” Chappell, a fantastic slip fielder during his playing days observed.

He praised Sam Curran and Stokes’ bowling effort, which enabled England to win the first Test match.

“Part of England’s success with the ball can be attributed to the increased variety in their attack. The addition of Sam Curran’s vibrant left-arm swing and Stokes’ rejuvenation with the ball made a huge difference to an attack that lacked variety in Australia.”

[Ankit_sharma03]

Very well put analysis , instead of holding who is still stuck in his era

its about getting better rather then putting names on paper and pandya can really learn from stokes bowling this series but this is where coaches have to come in play n help him with it

[speedheat]

Sorry don't want to troll or derail the thread, m personally a huge pandya fan... But I just couldn't resist..

[vvvslaxman]

35 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Very well put analysis , instead of holding who is still stuck in his era

its about getting better rather then putting names on paper and pandya can really learn from stokes bowling this series but this is where coaches have to come in play n help him with it

Stokes swing the ball more than Anderson. Stokes is quicker than Pandya, Stokes has more variations. Pandya's basic ball is back of a length ball to everyone. There is no attempt to pitch the ball up, there is not ability to swing the ball, there is no express yorker.  There is vast difference there. Even in terms of batting Stokes has more range of shots. Probably pandya is better against spin. That's about it.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

Stokes swing the ball more than Anderson. Stokes is quicker than Pandya, Stokes has more variations. Pandya's basic ball is back of a length ball to everyone. There is no attempt to pitch the ball up, there is not ability to swing the ball, there is no express yorker.  There is vast difference there. Even in terms of batting Stokes has more range of shots. Probably pandya is better against spin. That's about it.

i dnt think so their is diff in pace, pandya has clocked around 145k 

rest all things will come with experience.....Pandya has variation or else he wudnt have done well in Odi but again will develop more with time 

Sometimes pace depends a lot on fitness n rhythem 

 

stokes in terms of abilty is far ahead of pandya with bat , but we have no stokes....will have to do what we have . Current form of stokes is damn shitty 

[Forever Indian]

Hope Pandya doesn't go the Ishant Sharma way, who doesn't develop much even after 10 years.

[rkt.india]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Stokes swing the ball more than Anderson. Stokes is quicker than Pandya, Stokes has more variations. Pandya's basic ball is back of a length ball to everyone. There is no attempt to pitch the ball up, there is not ability to swing the ball, there is no express yorker.  There is vast difference there. Even in terms of batting Stokes has more range of shots. Probably pandya is better against spin. That's about it.

Was stokes like the present stokes 4 years back as a bowler? Stokes is 27, Pandya is 24. Pandya has played 7-8 tests and he barely gets to bowl enough. Even in first test his first spell was very good when root and yjb were taking the game away. Don't go by analysys at the end as lot of edges went through thirdman area.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, rkt.india said:

Was stokes like the present stokes 4 years back as a bowler? Stokes is 27, Pandya is 24. Pandya has played 7-8 tests and he barely gets to bowl enough. Even in first test his first spell was very good when root and yjb were taking the game away. Don't go by analysys at the end as lot of edges went through thirdman area.

I am just going by the basic skills he is blessed with. He just runs in and hits the deck hard pretty much every where. Ishant has been bowling like this since 19. His basic stock ball is still the same inswinger. You build on your basics generally. You don't suddenly become an ace swing bowler. May be very few cases that happened. Overall you  don't change much as a seamer. Cocking of wrists is very important as a swing bowler. I am not sure Pandya is natural swing bowler. Will never be one.

[zen]

If Pandya gets enough confidence, he can have a very good series for Ind esp with the bat 

 

 

 

 

[rkt.india]

19 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I am just going by the basic skills he is blessed with. He just runs in and hits the deck hard pretty much every where. Ishant has been bowling like this since 19. His basic stock ball is still the same inswinger. You build on your basics generally. You don't suddenly become an ace swing bowler. May be very few cases that happened. Overall you  don't change much as a seamer. Cocking of wrists is very important as a swing bowler. I am not sure Pandya is natural swing bowler. Will never be one.

You don't need to a swing bowler to be successful. Shami isn't a swing bowler, has had decent success. Anyway Pandya can swing the ball. Watch his odi debut, you will get your answer.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, rkt.india said:

You don't need to a swing bowler to be successful. Shami isn't a swing bowler, has had decent success. Anyway Pandya can swing the ball. Watch his odi debut, you will get your answer.

He can bowl full, he can reverse, he can bowl an effective bouncer, He can seam. Hardik is a limited bowler who gets wickets when batsmen make mistakes. Let me put this way. Nobody is going to be quacking in their shoes while facing Pandya in any conditions. Even the most helpful condition. 

[Suhaan]

Well I think  Pandya needs to strengthen his one aspect of game,be it batting or bowling,if he does brilliantly in one aspect ,that will rub on to his other skill..This might be gradual process..but Pandya needs to work very hard..no show offs,just do your business..I can recall Stokes wasn't that effective with ball 5-6 years ago but has improved in leaps and bounds..His batting has really come of age

[Forever Indian]

Stokes can right now play in England team just as a batsman or a bowler, whereas Pandya can't play in the team as a pure batsman or a bowler.

[Global.Baba]

29 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

Stokes can right now play in England team just as a batsman or a bowler, whereas Pandya can't play in the team as a pure batsman or a bowler.

Can Stokes play in as an xfactor and "balancing act" just for the heck of "balancing"?

 

 

 

 

[Forever Indian]

19 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Can Stokes play in as an xfactor and "balancing act" just for the heck of "balancing"?

 

 

 

 

I seem to remember another poster using this word often 

[sandeep]

This tour can potentially be the making of Pandya the test cricketer.  Let's see how many opportunities he gets in the rest of the tour, and what he makes of it.  

[express bowling]

What did Stokes do with the bat ?

 

Threw away his wicket on 21 after getting set in the first innings.  Fell for 6 in the 2nd.  

 

Career average of 34 after 43  tests while batting at 6.  Would not cut it as a pure batsman.

 

Yes ... he bowled really well in the first test ...  but his career average of 33 while playing half the time in friendly bowling conditions of England, means he is not that good a bowler yet.

 

I hope Pandya does not learn the batting part from Stokes. He can be a 40+ average batsman and bat at 6.

[Global.Baba]

13 minutes ago, express bowling said:

What did Stokes do with the bat ?

 

Threw away his wicket on 21 after getting set in the first innings.  Fell for 6 in the 2nd.  

 

Career average of 34 after 43  tests while batting at 6.  Would not cut it as a pure batsman.

 

Yes ... he bowled really well in the first test ...  but his career average of 33 while playing half the time in friendly bowling conditions of England, means he is not that good a bowler yet.

 

I hope Pandya does not learn the batting part from Stokes. He can be a 40+ average batsman and bat at 6.

Ben Stokes has a 100 in India against India, a 100 at WACA against Australia against a rampaging Johsnon, 2 100's against South Africa including a 250, a 100 against Newzealand against Boult and co.

 

The remaining 100 came  against Westindies maybe the only realy easy one.

 

Averages are not everything. Rahane averages in the low 40's but he has been our MVP in test cricket till recently.

Edited August 5, 2018 by Global.Baba

[express bowling]

18 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Ben Stokes has a 100 in India against India, a 100 at WACA against Australia against a rampaging Johsnon, 2 100's against South Africa including a 250, a 100 against Newzealand against Boult and co.

 

The remaining 100 came  against Westindies maybe the only realy easy one.

 

Averages are not everything. Rahane averages in the low 40's but he has been our MVP in test cricket till recently.

 

In 8 tests, Pandya already has a 93 in South Africa on a minefield. And a century in SL.  But, we are disappointed with his consistency and rightly so, even though he bats at 7.

 

Consistency is important for a top 6 batsman.  6  tops knocks and a few ok ones in 77 innings, is not what one expects from a top 6 batsman.

[express bowling]

26 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

 

Averages are not everything. Rahane averages in the low 40's but he has been our MVP in test cricket till recently.

 

Rahane is a MVP player only in tests outside Asia. There, he averaged 52.7 before the start of this series.

 

He is poor in tests in Asia ... which is the reason for his overall average being 42+. But still, he does not average 34.