Pant 2 , MSD 0 - num of test centuries outside Asia

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, SrinjayDutta said:

Pant played excellent today but both his centuries came in relatively pressureless situation, one was a gone case, another a sure shot victory. Will look forward to him finishing test chases for India, like the one he missed in Southampton. His footwork is a bit shoddy as keeper. The thing is he is 21. Gilchrist was a late bloomer, considering that, pant could become the greatest keeper batsman in the history of the game. Let's hope for that.

This game wasnt a sure shot victory without pant 159. Vihari got out early today.  We were still far from 350. Pujara and pant partnership was crucial.

[Pollack]

4 hours ago, Bigg Brother said:

Pant dropping a catch in almost every match. Though he is scoring runs, but need to find a better replacement WK post Dhoni retirement in ODI's

Agreed Pant has to work on his keeping skills. But seriously it isn't very bad. He is still better than DK and Pappu who are much experienced keepers now. Cricbuzz is worst when it comes to Thalaiva blind worshipping.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Pollack

[Nikhil_cric]

Pants keeping is a little suspect no doubt but even hardcore dhoni fans should remember that his keeping was very ungainly early in his career. Besides dhoni never kept well to pacers. Not even at his peak. Batting was the only reason dhoni became the first choice keeper. It would be the ultimate hypocrisy if dhoni fans opposed pant's inclusion because his keeping isn't sharp enough .

[Muloghonto]

12 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

By the time Pant retires he ll be in Most Indian ATG XI over dhoni 

Unless he improves his keeping by many folds, no chance. Dhoni is one of the best keepers the world has ever seen - the only Indian who is comparable to him is Kirmani. Any elite keeper who averages 30+ with the bat in Tests is pretty much an automatic in the ATG lineups. 

[Muloghonto]

That being said, Pant's wicketkeeping is improving, so is his batting. His ability to play shots and score quickfire runs is not in doubt, his ability to grind a 65 not out off off 120 balls, coming in when the team is 150/5 is the real issue. he is showing progress in both counts. 

But it'd be tough for him to get to the level of keeping that Dhoni, Mongia or Kirmani showed, especially keeping to spinners - Indian domestic circuit sucks for spinners and as such we can see it in the new generation of keepers like Pant or Kishan - they don't have the basics right for keeping to spinners and it'd be tough for a 20 year old to correct basic keeping action quickly enough to make it second nature and be a worldclass keeper at it. 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

34 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Unless he improves his keeping by many folds, no chance. Dhoni is one of the best keepers the world has ever seen - the only Indian who is comparable to him is Kirmani. Any elite keeper who averages 30+ with the bat in Tests is pretty much an automatic in the ATG lineups. 

dhoni keeping improved over a period of time, as far as i remeber pant keeping is better then of dhoni when he came in . 

[Muloghonto]

24 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

dhoni keeping improved over a period of time, as far as i remeber pant keeping is better then of dhoni when he came in . 

Not even close. Dhoni was streets ahead of Pant when he first came in. Don't know about similar age because Dhoni was playing domestic at age 20 and hardly anyone here had seen him back then. 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Not even close. Dhoni was streets ahead of Pant when he first came in. Don't know about similar age because Dhoni was playing domestic at age 20 and hardly anyone here had seen him back then. 

 

Nope if u cud find videos of dhoni keeping in 2007 Eng tour see....he wasnt that good 

He got better over the years 

[Deleted_User_1]

In a battle between a Bihari and a non-Bihari, the latter always wins!!

 

#noKhottas#

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Nope if u cud find videos of dhoni keeping in 2007 Eng tour see....he wasnt that good 

He got better over the years 

He did get better over the years. But he still was far, far ahead of where Pant is right now. He kept really well to Kumble in 2007, pretty much *the* hardest bowler to keep to during that era ( this is also what exgaggerated Parthiv's initial failures). 

 

[Adi BB]

Msd was a decent batsman/keeper,the best in India but not a legend .players are so easily termed as legends,"ATGs" these days without even doing much .

You might be better than the rest of the crap in the country but there's certainly a parameter to be called a legend ,you have to earn that status not granted!

Pant is looking great and hopefully contributes to more Indian wins ,just needs to polish his keeping skills 

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

He did get better over the years. But he still was far, far ahead of where Pant is right now. He kept really well to Kumble in 2007, pretty much *the* hardest bowler to keep to during that era ( this is also what exgaggerated Parthiv's initial failures). 

 

Not really, Dhoni was more like a part time wicket keeper when he was first picked. And Dhoni didn't debut in 2007 but 2004. 

Edited January 5, 2019 by rkt.india

[Adi BB]

People have short memories ,when dhoni came in and even from his domestic days ,his keeping was bang average and his method of catching waa always under question "crocodile method" but he improved gradually .

His keeping against the moving ball was still average 

[Laaloo]

5 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

He did get better over the years. But he still was far, far ahead of where Pant is right now. He kept really well to Kumble in 2007, pretty much *the* hardest bowler to keep to during that era ( this is also what exgaggerated Parthiv's initial failures). 

 

Babu moshai, how are pants glutes now? Are they ready made for test cricket? Or you got some more tips and techniques for him?

[raki05]

15 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

more than MS Dhoni's tally combining all three of his tours to Australia."

 @velu

[speedheat]

10 hours ago, Audiophile said:

In a battle between a Bihari and a non-Bihari, the latter always wins!!

 

#noKhottas#

fact.

[raki05]

12 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Not even close. Dhoni was streets ahead of Pant when he first came in. Don't know about similar age because Dhoni was playing domestic at age 20 and hardly anyone here had seen him back then. 

 

Dhoni has dropped a lot of regulation catch in his early days, hack he dint even go for some of them.

[Rasgulla]

10 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Dhoni has dropped a lot of regulation catch in his early days, hack he dint even go for some of them.

Later on he ended up dropping sachin. Everything is excused for that 

[King Tendulkar]

Happy to call msd legend, greatest ever best player in cricket history.  But only if plaease please quit today!

[Pollack]

9 hours ago, Adi BB said:

Msd was a decent batsman/keeper,the best in India but not a legend .players are so easily termed as legends,"ATGs" these days without even doing much .

You might be better than the rest of the crap in the country but there's certainly a parameter to be called a legend ,you have to earn that status not granted!

Pant is looking great and hopefully contributes to more Indian wins ,just needs to polish his keeping skills 

I would categorise him in Indian ODI greats. That's all. He is no legend since he was average and poor in Tests and T20Is respectively, two out of three formats in his time.