chewy Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Every IPL match this year and the younger players are outperforming the current older India first team players Pant, Samson, Shaw, Iyer, Shankar, Rana... Too bad Ishan Kishan can't get a game for MI because of has beens like Yuvraj and Pollard getting favourable treatment Gollum 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Absolute disgrace with so much batting talent , Ind is considering the likes of Rayudu and Jadhav for crucial roles in the WC. Am sure these commentators must be transfixed at these run of the mill batsman playing for Ind currently. Don't know who to blame for this mess. Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, SK_IH said: Absolute disgrace with so much batting talent , Ind is considering the likes of Rayudu and Jadhav for crucial roles in the WC. Am sure these commentators must be transfixed at these run of the mill batsman playing for Ind currently. Don't know who to blame for this mess. Jadhav has utility in modern day ODI cricket, more so in our setup where not many batters can roll their arms without making absolute fools of themselves. Edited March 31, 2019 by Gollum Link to comment
SK_IH Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Gollum said: Jadhav has utility in modern day ODI cricket, more so in our setup where not many batters can roll their arms without making absolute fools of themselves. I think Jadhav's bowling bubble has burst in the last series. nevada 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, SK_IH said: I think Jadhav's bowling bubble has burst in the last series. lets wait n see if its aussie team only who has soughted him out coz they were even batting well against kulcha. I knew sooners or later like everyone jadhav will be soughted but it remains to be seen how many teams have soughted him out Link to comment
SK_IH Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: lets wait n see if its aussie team only who has soughted him out coz they were even batting well against kulcha. I knew sooners or later like everyone jadhav will be soughted but it remains to be seen how many teams have soughted him out Relying on his bowling for even 3-4 overs is fraught with danger. Link to comment
GautiMaan Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Comment from cricinfo Armaan: "I am a RCB fan and genuinely like to have someone like Rabada or Bumrah in our side only if the captain and the team management promise to back them after one or two bad games. There is no use of having them in your side if your team and captain doesn't back you. Look at Saini, look at Washington Sundar, look at M. Ashwin......! " Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 Look at what Gambhir did to KKR. He had a clear idea on how he was going to build a team. Created a template. Now he has left. THey are using the same template. THey are still being competitive. Kohli = Tendulkar when it comes to captaincy, leadership. Link to comment
prasen82 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) I think we can win the WC if we drop both Kohli and dhoni. Edit: shastri as well. Go with dravid as a coach. When we could win a 2007 t20 WC with a fresh team, why not 2019 WC . Sounds preposterous, but Kohli is probably playing more for himself.. definitely not a team player and worse of all hopeless captain... Edited March 31, 2019 by prasen82 Link to comment
gattaca Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) Isn’t a failure on dhoni as well. Virat has been guided by grey beard for few years now. Are ignoring dhoni’s role ? What about Ravi shastri role ? When India wins people like GB , putrevus all credit shastri. But in failures its only Kohli ? Edited March 31, 2019 by gattaca Link to comment
Stan AF Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: Look at what Gambhir did to KKR. He had a clear idea on how he was going to build a team. Created a template. Now he has left. THey are using the same template. THey are still being competitive. Kohli = Tendulkar when it comes to captaincy, leadership. hey atleast tendulkar had to deal with match fixers and incompetent players. He's better actually. Link to comment
sscomp32 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 3/29/2019 at 4:42 AM, vvvslaxman said: You could confidently say this now. Bringing back guys like Gauti, Yuvi, Raina now Rayudu out of the wilderness in the name of experience effectively killed the opportunity to build a vibrant young team. Also from time to time he was bringing back Rahane for no reason. He basically doesn't want to be surrounded by noobs. Only good thing he has done so far encouraging fast bowlers. Rest of things are chaotic. He tries to paper over the cracks with his own batting. He could do only so much. The sole reason ICF consider him as the greatest ever. sorak 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 3 hours ago, gattaca said: Isn’t a failure on dhoni as well. Virat has been guided by grey beard for few years now. Are ignoring dhoni’s role ? What about Ravi shastri role ? When India wins people like GB , putrevus all credit shastri. But in failures its only Kohli ? What shastri or dhoni is their in RCB ??? Kohli also had kumble as coach...mistakes were same ull have 100 people for advice but at the end its ur decision to choose it Link to comment
gattaca Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: What shastri or dhoni is their in RCB ??? Kohli also had kumble as coach...mistakes were same ull have 100 people for advice but at the end its ur decision to choose it RCB is totally different you can’t compare with Indian team. RCB is a private entity run like a organization by the owners they have proper scouting agents, coaches and owner involvement. If you look at how the US based football franchises are run you will understand. The owner element is too strong in running operations. Only few franchises are successful because they understand team needs and plan for injuries and contingencies. They do develop players for extra skills than they have. I am specially taking about Indian team because Kohli , dhoni and shastri are powerful. There is a advantage for dhoni for the middle order to be fragile to take advantage of the situation. Do you really think it’s a coincidence rayudu plays CSK and for India ? All I am saying Indian cricket decisions are not just Kohli but dhoni and shastri as well. Edited March 31, 2019 by gattaca Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, gattaca said: RCB is totally different you can’t compare with Indian team. RCB is a private entity run like a organization by the owners they have proper scouting agents, coaches and owner involvement. If you look at how the US based football franchises are run you will understand. The owner element is too strong in running operations. I am specially taking about Indian team because Kohli , dhoni and shastri are powerful. There is a advantage for dhoni for the middle order to be fragile to take advantage of the situation. Do you really think it’s a coincidence rayudu plays CSK and for India ? All I am saying Indian cricket decisions are not just Kohli but dhoni and shastri as well. A team is a team, captain runs acc to him only Indian team- he is lucky to have them or others....... Coincidence??? do u really want me to count players who were not from CSK n are playing for being has beens Rayudu joined CSK last yr, hasnt he been playing for India for god knws how many yrs DK is also CSK kya ?? Parthiv patel?? Wo to RCB hai bhajji got back in indian team on basis of IPL in 2015 when he was with MI. SO if any team other player get in Indian team on IPL perfomance its perfomance others CSK quota Yuvraj got back in team - he was in SRH Umesh came back indian team last yr for doing well for RCB If Chahar n thakur are pointed, hasnt khaleel n Kaul being selected who play for SRH On what basis does dhawan n rohit keep coming back to test team- do they play for CSK. Waha konsa dhoni hai. check ur facts . Do u think its a coincidence that blunder keeps happening under kohli only Be its RCB or indian team . Dont even get me started with test team blunder where their is no dhoni Link to comment
gattaca Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: A team is a team, captain runs acc to him only Indian team- he is lucky to have them or others....... Coincidence??? do u really want me to count players who were not from CSK n are playing for being has beens Rayudu joined CSK last yr, hasnt he been playing for India for god knws how many yrs DK is also CSK kya ?? Parthiv patel?? Wo to RCB hai bhajji got back in indian team on basis of IPL in 2015 when he was with MI. SO if any team other player get in Indian team on IPL perfomance its perfomance others CSK quota Yuvraj got back in team - he was in SRH Umesh came back indian team last yr for doing well for RCB If Chahar n thakur are pointed, hasnt khaleel n Kaul being selected who play for SRH On what basis does dhawan n rohit keep coming back to test team- do they play for CSK. Waha konsa dhoni hai. check ur facts . Do u think its a coincidence that blunder keeps happening under kohli only Be its RCB or indian team . Dont even get me started with test team blunder where their is no dhoni A team is a team, captain runs acc to him only What kind of statement is this ? I don’t understand what you want to convey. Team will always be team. I don’t understand captain runs acc to him only. Again I wrote a big post on why RCB shouldn’t be cosidered. Hmm how is jadeja back in Odis ? Jhadav is csk as well. Jhadav is based on performance. The brand value of a IPL team will increase with players from Indian team. What test team blunder? we won in Australia ? We almost did in South Africa. There are selection blunders. I agree. Let’s see who Kohli backed ? Why are we having best success in tests in decades compared to Odis ? Kohli backed bumrah for tests as well. He gave rahul fair chance in tests and everyone here agree he has/had potential. The only pick they don’t agree is probably rohit. Mayank, vihari also got chances under kohli. These are good amount of youngsters he backed. The wrist spinners kuldeep and chahal, left arm pacer khaleel. The spinner are definitely a great success. Kohli captaincy should be judged after dhoni leaving team. Edited March 31, 2019 by gattaca Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Can't blame a captain much because he already would be loaded with enormous burden and responsibility of leading from the front, working strategies on the field etc etc. And Kohli has done reasonably well w.r.t to all these. He is the best by far in leading from the front,strategically ok etc so all in all he is a decent good captain, not exceptional though because he lacks man management skills. But to compensate for that there has to be competent coaches and selectors who don't need to do any thing on the field but only behind the curtain duties. In that regard Sastri and Prasad both have been utter wastes. That is why India took this much to find a regular opener in tests after Sehwag-Gambhir. Both Rohit-Dhawan were played in ODIs non stop.Sastri-Prasad just simply have been so far off from adequate w.r.t to trying fresh talents in a timely manner and managing them both mentally and physically. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 6 hours ago, gattaca said: A team is a team, captain runs acc to him only What kind of statement is this ? I don’t understand what you want to convey. Team will always be team. I don’t understand captain runs acc to him only. Again I wrote a big post on why RCB shouldn’t be cosidered. Hmm how is jadeja back in Odis ? Jhadav is csk as well. Jhadav is based on performance. The brand value of a IPL team will increase with players from Indian team. What test team blunder? we won in Australia ? We almost did in South Africa. There are selection blunders. I agree. Let’s see who Kohli backed ? Why are we having best success in tests in decades compared to Odis ? Kohli backed bumrah for tests as well. He gave rahul fair chance in tests and everyone here agree he has/had potential. The only pick they don’t agree is probably rohit. Mayank, vihari also got chances under kohli. These are good amount of youngsters he backed. The wrist spinners kuldeep and chahal, left arm pacer khaleel. The spinner are definitely a great success. Kohli captaincy should be judged after dhoni leaving team. Jadhav debut for India before he joined CSK....check ur facts and he was never dropped was out due to injury JAdeja - isnt their a pattern that kohli loves exp players. DK, Yuvi, bhajji, gambhir, pappu all got back under him what CSK did they represent What test team blunder , how many times do we have to go through this mishra, Turning_track and Switchblade 3 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 His biggest problem is lack of patience with new players. He will praise a player one day and will drop him one game later. Recent victim is Saini. Switchblade and vvvslaxman 1 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Coincidentally most of the players under him came in dhoni era,just as Kuldeep and Chahal can be said his only contribution Link to comment
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