Pant's shot selection has let the team down sometimes - Shastri

[express bowling]

25 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Not a ball is bowled in the series yet, and Pant is already a worse player than he was, and MS Dhoni a better one.

 

 

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27635444/the-rishabh-pant-journey-fearless-careless-back

 

 

The most important line from this article.

 

Everyone is understanding what is going on.

 

Indian cricket is now existing to protect the business interests of brand Dhoni and brand Kohli  ... and the businesses which have invested in these brands. And Shastri is the business manager cum agent.

Edited September 17, 2019 by express bowling

[putrevus]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

The most important line from this article.

 

Everyone is understanding what is going on.

 

Indian cricket is now existing to protect the business interests of brand Dhoni, brand Kohli and, to some extent, brand Rohit ... and the businesses who have invested in these brands. And Shastri is the business manager cum agent.

Common , that is bit too much. How does Pant succeeding will hurt Kohli.No one player plays forever every one needs to go sometime, if not next year Dhoni has go sometime.

 

There are only two players in history of indian cricket who have been afforded this luxury Sachin and Dhoni.Sachin I can understand to some extent but even Sachin was blamed for staying too long and was dropped by Dhoni himself in the name of rotation.

 

Nobody from media or explayers are saying anything negative about this guy. 

Edited September 17, 2019 by putrevus

[Ankit_sharma03]

22 minutes ago, putrevus said:

There is nothing which Ganguly did was great.Under Dhoni you won three tournaments in in eight years.Kohli is/was the best captain because of his drive to succeed.He has just taken reign over in 2017 in odis.

Come again

Ganguly was a co holder of CT 2002.....Finalist of 2000 Where we lost to NZ who at that time was a better Odi  side then US. Under kohli we lost to Pak which is far weaker side then us

Finalist of 2003 WC......Kohli didnt eve reach finals 

Ganguly drew the series in eng.....kohli lost the series In ENG

 

The diff between dhoni n kohli as ODI captain is miles.......

 

Only on numbers kohlis is best captain but if number is the only criteria then vinod kambli, rayudu was better then most Indian legend batsman.

As shastri proclaims No one Beat WI in history as they have.... well WI is no SAme WI. Similarly sides around World arent as powerful as they were .....which is not anything due to kohli n he has one of the strongest Indian side ever which 90% was given by previous captain

 

So its important to look beyond numbers.......

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Step4 would have occured irespective of all your other steps that is the greatness of Kohli.

Kohli wudnt even have had a team had step 3 of dhoni wudnt have happened which was the transition phase

He got all players settled under dhoni - Dhawan, rohit, hardik, shami, bhuvi, pandya , jadhav , jadeja all were under dhoni....the only new addition was kulcha which he gave up on during WC

 

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Kohli has let himself down in big spots as batsman but there is nothing wrong in his captaincy.Every captain has bad team selections, Kumble did not play in world cup finals and Dinesh Mongia played becuase of Ganguly.

OFcourse he cant win anything with this team , dhoni won CT 2013 with much weaker team

HE cant take perfomance out of player who go n perform for other franchise 

Youngsters have never felt so insecure 

 

yet his captaincy are not to be blamed  

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Is he overzealous sometimes yes but he will mature as he gains more experience but unlike other captains he leads from front not feigns illness like Ganguly.

thats a rumour which cud be true or may not be 

 

Ganguly gave up his opening spot to sehwag n 3 to dhoni at end.....kohli cant giveup with few series to give youngsters chances .....take recent one WI Odi n t20......

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 minutes ago, Mosher said:

As always sensible comments on Pant from Agarkar on CI,

 

• Shouldn't curb Pant's instinct as that is what makes him special
• He is a young player and its too early to judge him
• Agarkar is happy with Pant's approach and he has the special ability to win matches on his own
• Dhoni has been a great captain in T20I but as a batsman he has an OK record.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even Yuvraj singh has made the same point......he is to young in career 

 

 

SOurav ganguly talks about freedom given to youngsters

 

 

Here Zak n Akash made a valid point give anyone 30-40 games irrespective how they do 

 

 

All these are connected.....They are not saying openly but making same very point- Have patience with youngsters which these TM is not doing. 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

22 minutes ago, Mosher said:

As always sensible comments on Pant from Agarkar on CI,

 

• Shouldn't curb Pant's instinct as that is what makes him special
• He is a young player and its too early to judge him
• Agarkar is happy with Pant's approach and he has the special ability to win matches on his own
• Dhoni has been a great captain in T20I but as a batsman he has an OK record.

 

 

 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/1201052.html

 

video link 

 

Edited September 17, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[vaul]

Can any one from management question the shot selection of Kohli/Dhoni ? Why Kohli played across the line instead of playing with straight bat in wc semi against NZ ? Why Dhoni kept tuk tuking  while Jadeja was bating superbly ?

Pant is still learning at international level.Like every new batsman,he will learn with time how to build the innings.

[putrevus]

3 hours ago, Mosher said:

As always sensible comments on Pant from Agarkar on CI,

 

• Shouldn't curb Pant's instinct as that is what makes him special
• He is a young player and its too early to judge him
• Agarkar is happy with Pant's approach and he has the special ability to win matches on his own
• Dhoni has been a great captain in T20I but as a batsman he has an OK record.

 

 

 

 

Dhoni'record as a batsman in T20s is pathethic.He is the worst T20 batsman , it is a disgrace that he has played so many T20s.

[putrevus]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Come again

Ganguly was a co holder of CT 2002.....Finalist of 2000 Where we lost to NZ who at that time was a better Odi  side then US. Under kohli we lost to Pak which is far weaker side then us

Finalist of 2003 WC......Kohli didnt eve reach finals 

Ganguly drew the series in eng.....kohli lost the series In ENG

 

The diff between dhoni n kohli as ODI captain is miles.......

 

Only on numbers kohlis is best captain but if number is the only criteria then vinod kambli, rayudu was better then most Indian legend batsman.

As shastri proclaims No one Beat WI in history as they have.... well WI is no SAme WI. Similarly sides around World arent as powerful as they were .....which is not anything due to kohli n he has one of the strongest Indian side ever which 90% was given by previous captain

 

So its important to look beyond numbers.......

Kohli wudnt even have had a team had step 3 of dhoni wudnt have happened which was the transition phase

He got all players settled under dhoni - Dhawan, rohit, hardik, shami, bhuvi, pandya , jadhav , jadeja all were under dhoni....the only new addition was kulcha which he gave up on during WC

 

OFcourse he cant win anything with this team , dhoni won CT 2013 with much weaker team

HE cant take perfomance out of player who go n perform for other franchise 

Youngsters have never felt so insecure 

 

yet his captaincy are not to be blamed  

thats a rumour which cud be true or may not be 

 

Ganguly gave up his opening spot to sehwag n 3 to dhoni at end.....kohli cant giveup with few series to give youngsters chances .....take recent one WI Odi n t20......

I repeat Kohli is the best captain India ever had in all formats and I don't need you to tell me otherwise.I have seen all Indian captains.

The same WI team not just beat they embrassed England.

Stop looking for faults.

 

 

[New guy]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

Common , that is bit too much. How does Pant succeeding will hurt Kohli.No one player plays forever every one needs to go sometime, if not next year Dhoni has go sometime.

 

There are only two players in history of indian cricket who have been afforded this luxury Sachin and Dhoni.Sachin I can understand to some extent but even Sachin was blamed for staying too long and was dropped by Dhoni himself in the name of rotation.

 

Nobody from media or explayers are saying anything negative about this guy. 

Kohli and dhoni clearly have a deal and need to protect each others interest. It's one giant nexus 

[Ankit_sharma03]

27 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I repeat Kohli is the best captain India ever had in all formats and I don't need you to tell me otherwise.I have seen all Indian captains.

The same WI team not just beat they embrassed England.

Stop looking for faults.

 

 

even shastri says this side has a legacy like Aus n WI.....ab kuch bhi bologe to maan lenhge kya 

 

Best captain yeah right - cant win a major tournament, Only one one series in Sena which even Dhoni n Dravid did, his IPL team has been into gutters 

 

England is a struggling side in test cricket....they have been struggling at home as well. Funny how they gave us a whacking at home and Same WI,PAk drew series against them 

South african side is struggling side now which we cudnt beat ...but SL beat them at their home

 

yea u can have ur opinion that virat is the best......ur allowed to have biasness   

 

Everyone has faults.....the point is now shastri n kohli faults are going beyond the limit . U can keep looking at number but ppl know the reality specially who have seen cricket last 20 yrs n so 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Worst thing about this public criticism by a Captain and Coach is this has come almost one month after the allegedly careless shot! Who frets about a shot after you have won everything. 

 

Only thing that that could have prompted such a tirade is a signal from Dhoni on his willingness to comeback to LOIs as his army service drama did not give him much media limelight except a few silly headlines like him doing guard duties in Kashmir 

[ExtremeBrainfade]

Coaching rule #1:  Do not ever berate your players in public.  Chew them out in private if that gets the best out of them, but always talk them up in public, even if the media and public whine that you are a sunshine-boy and don't have a clue. 

 

RJS was actually doing a pretty good job of this ... until now.  Even when it was obvious that players were messing up, he stood up for them.  Fans and media criticized him for it, but he was always the optimist.  Something has changed.  

[putrevus]

3 hours ago, New guy said:

Kohli and dhoni clearly have a deal and need to protect each others interest. It's one giant nexus 

How is Dhoni protecting Kohli's interest. Why are we having these conspiracy theories.What exactly is Kohli gaining by fielding a inferior player , he is hurting his own captaincy.This nonsense that Kohli needs Dhoni to be field marshall otherwise he cannot win odi is also ridiculous.Kohli will do just fine without Dhoni as WK.

IMO Kohli is still starstruck by Dhoni and still cannot say no to him.But if he wants to be successful captain he needs to kick Dhoni out.

[The Dark Horse]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

How is Dhoni protecting Kohli's interest. Why are we having these conspiracy theories.What exactly is Kohli gaining by fielding a inferior player , he is hurting his own captaincy.This nonsense that Kohli needs Dhoni to be field marshall otherwise he cannot win odi is also ridiculous.Kohli will do just fine without Dhoni as WK.

IMO Kohli is still starstruck by Dhoni and still cannot say no to him.But if he wants to be successful captain he needs to kick Dhoni out.

This is bull shyt. If he's as good a captain as you're saying he would have dropped Dhoni's sorry ass long back. I can't imagine any cricketing reason for sticking with Dhoni and this is affecting Kohli's legacy as captain.

Edited September 18, 2019 by The Dark Horse

[The Dark Horse]

9 hours ago, ExtremeBrainfade said:

Coaching rule #1:  Do not ever berate your players in public.  Chew them out in private if that gets the best out of them, but always talk them up in public, even if the media and public whine that you are a sunshine-boy and don't have a clue. 

 

RJS was actually doing a pretty good job of this ... until now.  Even when it was obvious that players were messing up, he stood up for them.  Fans and media criticized him for it, but he was always the optimist.  Something has changed.  

Or he was just drunk, which is probable

[rtmohanlal]

firstly this parasite drunkard moron should be kicked out of  Indian cricket influence at the earliest. Some body who considers t20  matches as practice matches for Tests don't have even the basic qualifications for being a  coach. TO add to that this moron has created several  moments of utmost incompetence thru out .Latest only  is this Pant episode. 

[Moochad]

Like this is unique to Pant. Bevada targetting a young player. 

[Nikola]

Lol what wrong has shastri said? pant throws his wicket and he should value it more to become better player. Simple enough? If shastri says pant is great talent and no need to improve his game then dhoni fans will troll shastri. 

[putrevus]

18 hours ago, The Dark Horse said:

This is bull shyt. If he's as good a captain as you're saying he would have dropped Dhoni's sorry ass long back. I can't imagine any cricketing reason for sticking with Dhoni and this is affecting Kohli's legacy as captain.

You are right for him to become better captain, he should have dropped him two years ago.Unlike Australia where they were ruthless in dropping icons if their perfomances did not meet expectations. India has long standing problem where superstars never know when to quit . Selectors and captains have been very relucant to speak against them.Kapil, Sachin too overstayed their welcome.

 

But do you think it has got to do with money matters???

[TheWall]

Pant is hell bent on proving that shastri is right...