Why is the full front page criticising our batsman?

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

on these pitches u can imagine what wud have happened

 

 

 

 

What fantastic aggressive lines and lengths McGrath is bowling here. Always going for wickets in an ODI  ... almost no defensive deliveries ... nothing too full ... nothing too short ... some balls bouncing a bit extra and some are not.

 

All fast bowlers should watch this video before every match.

[putrevus]

2 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Kohli, Rohit, KL Rahul to name a few. They are not your regular mediocre line up I'd say.

Rohit is not there and Rahul just walked into the team. He has shown no consistency as of yet, it is early days for him as a core member.  How is this a batting powerhouse when Australia can bat till 9 and England can bat till no 10. It has been top three or bust for long long time.

 

Kohli has become mortal in last 20 odd games .

[IndianRenegade]

2 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Kohli, Rohit, KL Rahul to name a few. They are not your regular mediocre line up I'd say.

And We don't have Rohit, so we only have two good established bats Kohli & KL,  I don't think it would compare our 2011 line up - SRT, Viru, GG, MSD, Yuvi, Raina - all established. Even with that line up 350 + scores are not easy to chase. 

 

 

[putrevus]

To chase 389 , you need one of your openers to score  100 and number 3 to score 100. One of those 100s has to be 150 plus.Kohli has 2 100s in last 25 matches, he is losing while chasing also which he rarely happened before in his career.

 

 But India has to adapt and find a away to score 400 plus runs on regular basis.If Kohli does not fit the template they need to move on from him. But I have not seen any youngster staking claim. Mayank and Iyer have not shown any ability so far against fast bowling, It is still early days for both of them.

 

Dhoni was a asset chasing 270 plus but became a liability when  average scores became 325 -350. Kohli was an asset in 300 plus era. No player is greater than team Kohli , Sachin, it does not mater who it is, if they are not able to win their team matches, they should be out.

Edited November 30, 2020 by putrevus

[IndianRenegade]

41 minutes ago, putrevus said:

To chase 389 , you need one of your openers to score  100 and number 3 to score 100. One of those 100s has to be 150 plus.Kohli has 2 100s in last 25 matches, he is losing while chasing also which he rarely happened before in his career.

 

 But India has to adapt and find a away to score 400 plus runs on regular basis.If Kohli does not fit the template they need to move on from him. But I have not seen any youngster staking claim. Mayank and Iyer have not shown any ability so far against fast bowling, It is still early days for both of them.

 

Dhoni was a asset chasing 270 plus but became a liability when  average scores became 325 -350. Kohli was an asset in 300 plus era. No player is greater than team Kohli , Sachin, it does not mater who it is, if they are not able to win their team matches, they should be out.

While Kohli isn't getting 100+ scores that he used to during chases, it not like we have ppl on the bench who can come & replace Kohli to score even the 50+ he is contributing. 

Replacing Kohli as the captain is different from replacing Kohli as a bat. We simply don't have the bench strength to play without Kohli in 50 over format.  

[putrevus]

18 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

While Kohli isn't getting 100+ scores that he used to during chases, it not like we have ppl on the bench who can come & replace Kohli to score even the 50+ he is contributing. 

Replacing Kohli as the captain is different from replacing Kohli as a bat. We simply don't have the bench strength to play without Kohli in 50 over format.  

I don't think Kohli has done any wrong to be replaced as a captain.  People are getting confused by mixing IPL with international cricket. He has the third highest winning percentage as captain . How is he failing as a captain.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Kohli bhakt- KL rahul has shown no consistency so far . 

 

KL current batting avg 47.3

Avg in 2020 - 62.5

Avg in 2019- 47.6

 

Also has scored runs in aus, nz, eng

Extremely consistent in last 2 yrs.  Ab koi 5 saal ki consistency mangega to bhai 5 saalen ki consistency matalb player already great ban gaya hai. 

 

Chalo for fun , since kl has played 34 matches lets see where other stood by that time . 

 

KL rahul - 47.3

Kohli - 41.7

Rohit - 25.92 

Dhawan -  42 

 

 

Matalb prabhu ko bachane ke liye kuch bhi kahenge .

Pehle kehta the KL has no talent , he cant keep his place as batsman in side keeping is saving his place now not shown consistency ......agla dekhne wala hoga  

 

 

Edited December 1, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[rkt.india]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

What fantastic aggressive lines and lengths McGrath is bowling here. Always going for wickets in an ODI  ... almost no defensive deliveries ... nothing too full ... nothing too short ... some balls bouncing a bit extra and some are not.

 

All fast bowlers should watch this video before every match.

McGrath isn't going for wickets. Wickets are just the end result of his great defensive bowling. Just bowling short of length getting extra bounce and movement both ways. He didn't bowl a bouncer, neither tried to swing the ball. 

[maniac]

7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

McGrath isn't going for wickets. Wickets are just the end result of his great defensive bowling. Just bowling short of length getting extra bounce and movement both ways. He didn't bowl a bouncer, neither tried to swing the ball. 

Bowling in a great channel, forcing the batsmen to make mistakes is not defensive bowling. The ball is not gun barrel straight, it has great seam movement, natural bounce from skill and natural deviation from the pitch. How it gets natural deviation? by bowling in the same area. That’s attacking bowling actually.

Edited December 1, 2020 by maniac

[SK_IH]

16 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

McGrath isn't going for wickets. Wickets are just the end result of his great defensive bowling. Just bowling short of length getting extra bounce and movement both ways. He didn't bowl a bouncer, neither tried to swing the ball. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

McGrath isn't going for wickets. Wickets are just the end result of his great defensive bowling. Just bowling short of length getting extra bounce and movement both ways. He didn't bowl a bouncer, neither tried to swing the ball. 

 

 

Bhai. you should revisit your definition of attacking bowling.

 

Attacking bowling does not mean trying to take a wicket every ball.

 

Attacking bowling means bowling consistently in such areas where there is a high probably of a few wickets coming.  (  Channel deliveries which have to be played on the front foot by batsmen ... basically targeting the top of off stump does this  )

 

Look at how the batsmen are playing McGrath in that video. Although he is a 6'5" pacer bowling on a bouncy Australian pitch ... the batsmen are coming on the front foot for most deliveries. And there is hardly anything on the leg or too wide outside off. This is attacking bowling which invariably gets wickets.

 

[nitinbwj]

Take Warner and Smith out and they will again lose the ODI’s and T20’s..May be Tests too..

Their bowling barring Hazelwood is rubbish too.

[mishra]

Limited over cricket has changed into batsmens game. All bowlers can do is try getting wickets in first 15 -20 overs when ball is shining and match finishes before the ball is roughened up or softened up for spinners or reverse swing bowler to have any chance to have a go on batsmen.

 

So key to winning is ensuring that your Best pacers get as much assistance(fielding , field placing and studying opponents in advance and plan) in first 15 overs. After that its all about containing the flood gates. Containing the floodgates is where our skipper completely fails. I can bet if you give Bhumrah Rabada Archer to Kohli, Kohli will still find a way to under utilize them.

 

So to me blame squarely lies on captain.

Edited December 1, 2020 by mishra

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Bhai. you should revisit your definition of attacking bowling.

 

Attacking bowling does not mean trying to take a wicket every ball.

 

Attacking bowling means bowling consistently in such areas where there is a high probably of a few wickets coming.  (  Channel deliveries which have to be played on the front foot by batsmen ... basically targeting the top of off stump does this  )

 

Look at how the batsmen are playing McGrath in that video. Although he is a 6'5" pacer bowling on a bouncy Australian pitch ... the batsmen are coming on the front foot for most deliveries. And there is hardly anything on the leg or too wide outside off. This is attacking bowling which invariably gets wickets.

 

 

Attacking bowling is bowling attacking lengths. McGrath is bowling just short of length and getting bounce from there which was his strength. Attacking length is usually much fuller, attacking length is making the batsmen drive the ball by bowling full or pull the ball by bowling bouncers. McGrath always bowled containing length. He would hardly give you anything to drive. McGrath's biggest USP was extra bounce he got from short of length. Same is on display on this pitch but this pitch also had seam movement.

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, maniac said:

Bowling in a great channel, forcing the batsmen to make mistakes is not defensive bowling. The ball is not gun barrel straight, it has great seam movement, natural bounce from skill and natural deviation from the pitch. How it gets natural deviation? by bowling in the same area. That’s attacking bowling actually.

Seam movement is due to the pitch,not because of him. His strength was bowling short of length, getting extra bounce and beating batsmen for bounce. Movement of the pitch is added advantage here. Even in 2003 WC final, McGrath had beaten Tendulkar for extra bounce.

[express bowling]

23 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

 

Attacking bowling is bowling attacking lengths. McGrath is bowling just short of length and getting bounce from there which was his strength. Attacking length is usually much fuller, attacking length is making the batsmen drive the ball by bowling full or pull the ball by bowling bouncers. McGrath always bowled containing length. He would hardly give you anything to drive. McGrath's biggest USP was extra bounce he got from short of length. Same is on display on this pitch but this pitch also had seam movement.

 

 

In the video, McGrath is mostly bowling good length and not back of a length. And only a few balls have bounced extra. See how many times the batsmen have played on the front foot. It would not have been possible if he was bowling back of a length.

 

Attacking length means the batsman comes on the front foot but is actually not able to drive the ball. If he can drive then in most cases the ball is a poor half volley. ( unless the batsman drives on the up )

 

 

[Serpico]

11 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Chalo for fun , since kl has played 34 matches lets see where other stood by that time . 

 

KL rahul - 47.3

Kohli - 41.7

Rohit - 25.92 

Dhawan -  42 

kohli was 21 when he played 34 matches and didn't play test crickets yet. kl on the other hand played 30 test matches and is 28 y.o ,when a batsman is supposed to be at his peak of powers. He should really start delivering big for all the years team has invested in him in different formats

[Ankit_sharma03]

19 minutes ago, Serpico said:

kohli was 21 when he played 34 matches and didn't play test crickets yet. kl on the other hand played 30 test matches and is 28 y.o ,when a batsman is supposed to be at his peak of powers. He should really start delivering big for all the years team has invested in him in different formats

 

kohli had a captain like dhoni which is why he played 34 games so soon easily

KL had kohli which is the worst any youngster can have

 

KL is also yet to reach his peak , hasnt he been doing it for 2 yrs also doing wk duties .

 

Agar aise hi comparsions karne hai ye le- KL had 100 in his 1st eng n wi tour, kohli didnt. KL has 2 t20 100s kohli didnt....these are as foolish comparisons as age . 

Edited December 1, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Rightarmfast]

19 hours ago, putrevus said:

Rohit is not there and Rahul just walked into the team. He has shown no consistency as of yet, it is early days for him as a core member.  How is this a batting powerhouse when Australia can bat till 9 and England can bat till no 10. It has been top three or bust for long long time.

 

Kohli has become mortal in last 20 odd games .

Rohit may not be in the team, however he is a part of regular Indian team which makes Indian batting line-up formidable. Even apart from these 3, we do have big names in our line up. So yes, I do believe India does calls itself a batting powerhouse.

[Rightarmfast]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Seam movement is due to the pitch,not because of him. His strength was bowling short of length, getting extra bounce and beating batsmen for bounce. Movement of the pitch is added advantage here. Even in 2003 WC final, McGrath had beaten Tendulkar for extra bounce.

NO!!!

 

He beat Tendulkar because of his immaculate length coupled with line and added it with bounce! That length and line actually did not always need too much bounce either. Reason why Mcgrath was successful in India too. Check his stats in India. It will put the best of the best to shame. 

Getting a batsman out is called being aggressive. And Mcgrath was a champion at that. Srinath was quicker, used to bowl more bouncers, vary lines more than him. Guess who was called the aggressor! 

 

It is very clear RKT, you havent seen much of cricket from 90's and early 2000.