Kohli needs to quickly decide the brand of cricket India wants to play- Safe or Aggresive

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, neel roy said:

I agree but again to drop iyer now wont be possible.. my moot point is we haven’t lost the match because of Iyer and replacing him with sky wouldnt have made any difference.. i m talking about this match only

 

no we didnt loose becoz of iyer but this in large scheme is a problem which is why we havent gotten rid of Dhawan to. Dhawan also scores when he is about to get dropped. 

This is why this team will never get settled. 

Due to this sky might go in Wc with no or minimal international experience which is what happened with shankar n pant in 2019 Wc. 

 

Plans need to be formed for long term and then shud be backed during ups n downs. Short term strategy will fail in long run and RCB n Indian team under kohli suffers from same. 

 

If they want to play safe cricket fine back Iyer n dhawan n even manish but then stick with them when they fail to.

[neel roy]

Dhawan is toast. At least we have sky n iyer for no 4 which in grand scheme is not bad.. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

i cud see kohli enjoying the batting display but this will backfire also few days all he needs to remember is he has to be stubborn with it . As stubborn as Dhoni was with jaddu .

My biggest fear is it wont take few failure to make Kohli shift to opposite 

[prudent_kreeda]

On 3/13/2021 at 4:04 AM, zen said:

 

That appears to be a rudimentary discussion (which happens at school level too) ... Based on the title of the thread, I assumed you were talking about picking up a strategy, which involves a lot more factors ... For e.g. 

 

Goal: To win the T20 WC21 

Situation Analysis: The nature of pitches expected, key competitors, strengths & weaknesses, laws, where the game is headed (what would be the par scores, what new tactics could be introduced in WC), etc. 

Based on the above, you would have your strategy: Say Aggressive or Safe (from your title)

Next you would identify both the batting and bowling approach. Tactics at opponent level and general match ups 

Then you would identify a pool of 22 players (including backups) 

You would create a roadmap where everyone gets opportunities to play at international level + play similar roles with IPL teams 

you would carry out the strategy in bilaterals and other events to practise and perfect it, making adjustments where required 

and so on 

At WC, you would be ready to implement it in full force 

 

 

 

Lets see what is the current status of India  - 

 

Goal: To win the T20 WC21 --           Yes GOAL is set .

 

Situation Analysis: The nature of pitches expected, key competitors, strengths & weaknesses, laws, where the game is headed (what would be the par scores, what new tactics could be introduced in WC), etc. 

TM management should be aware that most of the pitches for important matches will be roads with Dew factor 

 

Based on the above, you would have your strategy: Say Aggressive or Safe (from your title)

 

To win most of the matches you have to be more aggressive than current level based on pitch conditions as assumed above. 

Not sure they are committed completely to Aggressive play if they are going back to Dhawan & Iyer and not test others 

 

Next you would identify both the batting and bowling approach. Tactics at opponent level and general match ups 

Best bet for India would be find 4 best players who play aggressively + Rohit & kohli  who with their experience can be anchors to a point and can  change gear if needed . Both have that ability . So find those 4 aggressive players and give them as many chances as possible . 

 

Bowling approach - this is constrained by the resources available . Best bet would be to have 1 mystery bowler who is not exposed much and bowling unit has 3  good death bowlers , 2 attacking opening bowlers  1 attacking spinner & 1 spinner who can bowl in PP .

Not sure if India has a pool of 5 bowlers who as a combo cover all these . 

 

Then you would identify a pool of 22 players (including backups) 

You would create a roadmap where everyone gets opportunities to play at international level + play similar roles with IPL teams 

This will not happen for WCT21 with just 4 months remaining  and it would be difficult to make IPL teams to carry India Team strategy  for certain players 

you would carry out the strategy in bilaterals and other events to practise and perfect it, making adjustments where required 

and so on 

Not in WC21 , Can they achieve this by WC22 ...   Fingers crossed ??

 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 

Lets see what is the current status of India  - 

 

Goal: To win the T20 WC21 --           Yes GOAL is set .

 

Situation Analysis: The nature of pitches expected, key competitors, strengths & weaknesses, laws, where the game is headed (what would be the par scores, what new tactics could be introduced in WC), etc. 

TM management should be aware that most of the pitches for important matches will be roads with Dew factor 

 

Based on the above, you would have your strategy: Say Aggressive or Safe (from your title)

 

To win most of the matches you have to be more aggressive than current level based on pitch conditions as assumed above. 

Not sure they are committed completely to Aggressive play if they are going back to Dhawan & Iyer and not test others 

 

Next you would identify both the batting and bowling approach. Tactics at opponent level and general match ups 

Best bet for India would be find 4 best players who play aggressively + Rohit & kohli  who with their experience can be anchors to a point and can  change gear if needed . Both have that ability . So find those 4 aggressive players and give them as many chances as possible . 

 

Bowling approach - this is constrained by the resources available . Best bet would be to have 1 mystery bowler who is not exposed much and bowling unit has 3  good death bowlers , 2 attacking opening bowlers  1 attacking spinner & 1 spinner who can bowl in PP .

Not sure if India has a pool of 5 bowlers who as a combo cover all these . 

 

Then you would identify a pool of 22 players (including backups) 

You would create a roadmap where everyone gets opportunities to play at international level + play similar roles with IPL teams 

This will not happen for WCT21 with just 4 months remaining  and it would be difficult to make IPL teams to carry India Team strategy  for certain players 

you would carry out the strategy in bilaterals and other events to practise and perfect it, making adjustments where required 

and so on 

Not in WC21 , Can they achieve this by WC22 ...   Fingers crossed ??

 

Good points ... the issue with Ind is it is too focused on the short term results ... As fans, we need to take a step back too, allowing the team to fail and experiment so it can gear up for major events 

 

I am not sure if the team knows if such type of planning is required  

 

[zen]

12 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

TM management should be aware that most of the pitches for important matches will be roads with Dew factor 

PS this also means the need to have bowlers who can hit yorkers if bowling in dew ... but we could go with a spin oriented attack with spinners using towels and looking helpless 

[Pollack]

Indias thinking in last many years in t20s:

Batting  cautiously means Batting responsibly.

Batting aggressively means throwing away wicket. 

This needs to change. It's just a 20 overs game for God sake. Good excuse of Batting responsibly when you don't have talent to attack from ball one.

[velu]

kohli like to play "charm offensive"

 

[Mariyam]

Just now, velu said:

kohli like to play "charm offensive"

 

Don't tell me you fell for that.

 

Its so easy to see through Kohli's gimmicks. He put that arm around Pant's shoulder after the latter hit a 6 for the camera. He refused to take Pant in the squad for months.

 

Nothing charming in his behaviour. Or aggressive.

 

At best he is passive aggressive. Would never tell you if he has a problem to your face or sort it out like an adult. Instead use a PC and his seniority to make his point of view heard and guilt trip his team mates. Typically the kind of behaviour patterns one associates with mother in laws.

 

[nevada]

16 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Don't tell me you fell for that.

 

Its so easy to see through Kohli's gimmicks. He put that arm around Pant's shoulder after the latter hit a 6 for the camera. He refused to take Pant in the squad for months.

 

Nothing charming in his behaviour. Or aggressive.

 

At best he is passive aggressive. Would never tell you if he has a problem to your face or sort it out like an adult. Instead use a PC and his seniority to make his point of view heard and guilt trip his team mates. Typically the kind of behaviour patterns one associates with mother in laws.

 

I felt  Kohli's reactions after Pant's big hits were a bit suspect, like he is playing it up for the camera. What's the point in pouring out love now when he dumped him from the LOI format altogether for a part time keeper and kept him out from tests too citing challenging keeping conditions? 

[SRT100]

16 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Don't tell me you fell for that.

 

Its so easy to see through Kohli's gimmicks. He put that arm around Pant's shoulder after the latter hit a 6 for the camera. He refused to take Pant in the squad for months.

 

Nothing charming in his behaviour. Or aggressive.

 

At best he is passive aggressive. Would never tell you if he has a problem to your face or sort it out like an adult. Instead use a PC and his seniority to make his point of view heard and guilt trip his team mates. Typically the kind of behaviour patterns one associates with mother in laws.

 

 

I lost all respect for Kohli when he told Indian fans to stop booing Smith at the WC in England.

 

The most disgraceful incident by an Indian Captain towards Indian supporters.

 

Smith is the same arsehole that abuses our fellow players still to this day.

[SRT100]

10 minutes ago, nevada said:

I felt  Kohli's reactions after Pant's big hits were a bit suspect, like he is playing it up for the camera. What's the point in pouring out love now when he dumped him from the LOI format altogether for a part time keeper and kept him out from tests too citing challenging keeping conditions? 

 

Im sure Pant knows who he can trust and also he cannot cross.

[rkt.india]

23 minutes ago, nevada said:

I felt  Kohli's reactions after Pant's big hits were a bit suspect, like he is playing it up for the camera. What's the point in pouring out love now when he dumped him from the LOI format altogether for a part time keeper and kept him out from tests too citing challenging keeping conditions? 

Why you take it as black and white? Quite possible he might have realised his mistake and trying to now show support to his younger teammate. A pat on the back from the captain can do wonders to your confidence.

[prashan]

we can't predict future... So only hope   is the one we needs... So end of the day we are spectators... Just watch & enjoy... don't over think ...  team management there... 

[Khota]

This is not Kohlis job to decide whether to play offensive or defensive style.

 

This is the job of Analytics. They should game plan all 120 balls based on opposition. Only Analytics can do that. No gut feelings no personal decision making.

[G_B_]

The truth is that based on the two t20 games..

 

Toss is more critical than any team composition.....

 

We can argue on many things but if dew manages to decide who wins the game then you just need to be lucky *which kohli is not

 

 

[SRT100]

I actually would prefer India to bat first in the remainder of the games, regardless of winning the toss. We know their pedigree in chasing.

This is about preparing for the WC, not winning a useless and irrelevant bilateral series.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

this is how t20s are played- attack attack attack 

[SK_IH]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

this is how t20s are played- attack attack attack 

Yes yes yes, I said in the other thread India will be one of the most dangerous side in this year's World Cup. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, SK_IH said:

Yes yes yes, I said in the other thread India will be one of the most dangerous side in this year's World Cup. 

 

Merko Wc ka darr hai, kohli is one defeat away from changing it all 

my 2nd fear is what happened in 2019 Wc- We took right team but they lacked experience and experience of playing as a team 

 

England still is most dangeorus. 

 

Im sure kohli still doesnt know the right batting order. If dhawan has a great IPL again it can change