Jerusalem burning

[zen]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

So even Iran is making drones.

Yeah, Iran makes/assembles all kinds of weapons ... the main thing that Iran is fighting for is ability to become nuclear 

[ravishingravi]

I dare say, the best in depth analysis of the issue and chronology of events

 

 

[Alam_dar]

13 hours ago, mishra said:

Man, you and your equivalences. Muslims simply obliterate the civilisations when in power because they are doing it in name of God and they know that “if” there is a god, he is happy at them doing it. Jews are not obliterating anyone. They want their land back with least amount of death. Palestine if it was anywhere near as powerful as Israel, they would have killed all jews and would be attacking Europe by now and all the eff ups crying now, would have been rallying with arms on this quest. Whole world knows what is expected.

 

 

BTW, Did you checked how many Muslim were killed in Islamic world by Islamic govmnts while this war was on in last 10 days like Yemen (Saudis), Afghanistan(Pakistan). More then these Israelis with state of art technology fighting a full scale war. And where is your humanity and outrage for that. Sort your messy society yourself.

 

Mishra Ji,

 

The past of Jews/Christians (or almost all the nations/religions) is almost the same as Muslims. But at some point they learnt the lesson. 

Same is true about Muslims too. 

There is a minority of Muslim who has learnt the lesson. But sooner or later rest will also learn. Unfortunately, it would not become true if rest of the world become uncivilised and start playing "might is right". 

This play of "might is right" is only helping the Muslims Fanatics, and pushing even the normal Muslims towards extremism. 

 

Civilised world is also getting united against Muslim extremism day by day.

But at moment, the non-Muslim extremists are the reason of main strength of Muslim extremists. 

Modi is the reason that all Indian Muslims (even the moderate one) are pushed to join the extremists ranks. 

Trump is the reason the Muslims in the West are also pushed towards extremism too. 

 

We have a moral excellence upon Islam and Muslims. But we loose this moral excellence when we start playing "might is right" while we are the mightier one at moment. 

[mishra]

2 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Mishra Ji,

 

The past of Jews/Christians (or almost all the nations/religions) is almost the same as Muslims. But at some point they learnt the lesson. 

Same is true about Muslims too. 

There is a minority of Muslim who has learnt the lesson. But sooner or later rest will also learn. Unfortunately, it would not become true if rest of the world become uncivilised and start playing "might is right". 

This play of "might is right" is only helping the Muslims Fanatics, and pushing even the normal Muslims towards extremism. 

 

Civilised world is also getting united against Muslim extremism day by day.

But at moment, the non-Muslim extremists are the reason of main strength of Muslim extremists. 

Modi is the reason that all Indian Muslims (even the moderate one) are pushed to join the extremists ranks. 

Trump is the reason the Muslims in the West are also pushed towards extremism too. 

 

We have a moral excellence upon Islam and Muslims. But we loose this moral excellence when we start playing "might is right" while we are the mightier one at moment. 

You conveniently avoided why Muslims are murdering everyone in their state or every other state and their is no outrage but few Muslims dieing at hand of Israelis who are protecting their turf becomes genocide.

 

And when exactly Muslims learned the lesson? Event and place please. I am yet to see a single Muslim nation and its society speaking about these atrocities committed by Muslims. Even so called most advanced Turkey kills Syrian Kurds every day. So No Muslims havent learned their lesson and hence disarming these religious nuts is only option world has. Infact if its not fear of reprecursion from Non Islamic countries, today itself, Turkey will gas Kurds, Iranians will eff Sauds, Sauds will bomb Yemenis, Pakistanis will nuke Kabul, even Delhi too. So dont say Muslims have learned to live with Muslims or non Muslims.

neither Trump nor Modi are can be blamed for 9/11 or 26/11 or many more attacks having every day in every part of world. Dont tell me just Boko haram killed 30,000 people and displaced over 3 million people because of Trump or Ksahmiri Muslims displaced all non Muslims in area and now they are eyeing Buddist majority laddakh.

 

If you are still in doubt, see again, When did France bomb Neitherland, When in last 50 years, Britain bombed Ireland, US bombed Canada or Mexico or India bombed Bhutan or Nepal or Myanmar, Japan bombed South Korea, Brazil bombed Bolivia or Autralia bombed Newzealand. Never. But you see Russia, China still doing same. But with limited damage. But Islamic world is still living in 600BC. You are no where close to modernity and you deserve to be disarmed so least damage you can do to non islamic as well as fellow Islamic nation.

 

So great Islamic hunaitarian liberal,  Have some shame.

[Sooda]

18 hours ago, mishra said:

Man, you and your equivalences. Muslims simply obliterate the civilisations when in power because they are doing it in name of God and they know that “if” there is a god, he is happy at them doing it. Jews are not obliterating anyone. They want their land back with least amount of death. Palestine if it was anywhere near as powerful as Israel, they would have killed all jews and would be attacking Europe by now and all the eff ups crying now, would have been rallying with arms on this quest. Whole world knows what is expected.

 

 

BTW, Did you checked how many Muslim were killed in Islamic world by Islamic govmnts while this war was on in last 10 days like Yemen (Saudis), Afghanistan(Pakistan). More then these Israelis with state of art technology fighting a full scale war. And where is your humanity and outrage for that. Sort your messy society yourself.

 

And yet Jews lived happily and prosperously (at least relatively) under Muslim rule for ages: including in Jersualem when the Caliph Umar conquered it, they welcomed him because of the freedom he gave the people there compared to the Byzantines before; the Jews living in Islamic Spain were said to be in a cultural "golden age", and it was the Christians who persecuted them and they found refuge with Muslims in North Africa

Jews lived in the ottoman empire and other parts of the middle east alongside Palestinians and other Arabs, happily for years until well until the early 20th C, it was only after Balfour Decl and when they knew of Zionist designs on Palestinian land, and when Eastern European Jewish immigrants started immigrating in their 100,000s into Palestine and the Socio-Economic upheaval that caused the local Arabs... that revolts and real tension began.

[mishra]

^ So Jews were treated so equal that they mooved into Germany to be gassed. Lets not pretend that till 20th century there was a concept of equality in any society when we all know, oast was age of colonialism,  imerialism, racism, religious supremacy, barbarianism and what not. Till we got over with monarchy, every barbaric act was normal and people adjusted accordingly. 

BTW, There are Islamic texts(Hadiths) how Jews needs be treated. What it means is mistreatment was normal and didn’t raised eyebrows. 
Its just that Hitler took to new level doesn’t mean everyone else had to meet the same standards.

PS: Christian persecution is absolutely correct and if i am to guess, reason why jews don’t get justice in print media is still down to crucification they did. Christian /west learned the lesson after 2 world wars. Muslims haven’t had any so far to realise what it means to solely follow the book /ideology and world won’t  let them have their war.

Edited May 26, 2021 by mishra

[Alam_dar]

5 hours ago, mishra said:

So No Muslims havent learned their lesson and hence disarming these religious nuts is only option world has.

 

There is absolutely no disagreement upon it ... i.e. disarming or destroying the Muslim fanatics. 

 

But for me this does not discharge "us" from our "responsibilities" of acting "Justly" and obey the International Norms of civilised world, and don't go for "might is right". 

 

 

 

[mishra]

2 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

 

There is absolutely no disagreement upon it ... i.e. disarming or destroying the Muslim fanatics. 

 

But for me this does not discharge "us" from our "responsibilities" of acting "Justly" and obey the International Norms of civilised world, and don't go for "might is right". 

 

 

 

There is nothing unjust. Only countries which believe in “might is right” are China and Russia. Rest all are trying to protect themselves with least amount of damage. And you can see it in behaviour.

[zen]

22 hours ago, zen said:

Coming back to Jerusalem, a war for it could be on the cards esp. considering its importance to 3 religions:

 

We discussed this y'day and now the Hezbollah leader has this to say: Breach of Jerusalem means regional war 

 

BEIRUT (AP) — The leader of Lebanon’s militant group Hezbollah said Tuesday any violations of Jerusalem and the sites holy to Muslims and Christians would lead to a regional war.

Speaking for the first time since the cease-fire ending the 11-day war between Hamas and Israel, Hassan Nasrallah said Gaza’s militant groups have proved that no one can sit idle when Israel attacks the holy sites or tries to undermine the Palestinians’ right to the city.

 

Nasrallah added: “Jerusalem means a regional war. All the resistance movements cannot stand by and watch this happening if the holy city is in real, grave danger.”

 

Link

[Jimmy Cliff]

 

 

 

[zen]

Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and Hezbollah had a war room in Beirut coordinating Hamas strikes on Israel 

 

So as suspected, the Hamas missile attacks could be a dry run for something big in the near future. If so, this could be the last single front war that Israel has fought 

 

Iran’s proxies have already surrounded Israel - Hezbollah, Iraqi Shia Militia, etc in the north, Hamas in Gaza, Palestinian Islamic Jihad in West Bank and Gaza, the Iran’s supported group in Yemen, which probably wanted to get involved this time but Hamas is said to have told them “next time”, and so on ... Turkey has fanatics in power too

 

Israel may need to plan for a multi front war 

 

PS a long shot but who knows Pak (to gain some Islamic points and some $s from these countries) could become an Iranian proxy too to fight Israel  

Edited June 1, 2021 by zen

[Jimmy Cliff]

 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

And they said Netanyahu manufactured the conflict to save his Govt! 

[velu]

9 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

 

 

 

so they replaced far right guy with extreme far right  

[EnterTheVoid]

8 minutes ago, velu said:

 

so they replaced far right guy with extreme far right  

 

And the xtreme far right guy used to be the chief of staff for the far right guy. 

[Gollum]

 

[Laaloo]

5 hours ago, velu said:

 

so they replaced far right guy with extreme far right  

Same will happen in france

 

muslims have issues with macron in France. They haven’t seen what la pen is capable of lol

[zen]

Meanwhile, in the Gulf of Oman:  The largest warship in the Iranian navy caught fire and later sank Wednesday in the Gulf of Oman under unclear circumstances, the latest calamity to strike one of the country’s vessels in recent years amid tensions with the West.

 

Also:

 

Meanwhile, a massive fire broke out Wednesday night at the oil refinery serving Iran’s capital, sending thick plumes of black smoke over Tehran. It wasn’t immediately clear if there were injuries or what caused the blaze at the Tondgooyan Petrochemical Co., though temperatures in the capital reached nearly 40 degrees Celsius (104 degrees Fahrenheit) and hot summer weather in Iran has caused fires in the past.

 

The fire Wednesday aboard the Kharg warship follows a series of mysterious explosions that began in 2019 targeting commercial ships in the Gulf of Oman. The U.S. Navy accused Iran of targeting the ships with limpet mines, timed explosives typically attached by divers to a vessel’s hull.

 

Iran denied that, though U.S. Navy footage showed Revolutionary Guard members removing one unexploded limpet mine from a ship. The attacks came amid heightened tensions between the U.S. and Iran after then-President Donald Trump unilaterally withdrew America from Tehran’s nuclear deal with world powers. Negotiations on saving the accord continue in Vienna.

 

In April, an Iranian ship called the MV Saviz believed to be a Guard base and anchored for years in the Red Sea off Yemen was targeted in an attack suspected to have been carried out by Israel. It escalated a yearslong shadow war in the Mideast between the two countries, ranging from strikes in Syria, assaults on ships and attacks on Iran’s nuclear program.

 

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Edited June 3, 2021 by zen

[velu]

24 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Same will happen in france

 

muslims have issues with macron in France. They haven’t seen what la pen is capable of lol

i assumed macron was a true liberal

[Yoda-esque]

 
so they replaced far right guy with extreme far right [emoji38] 

Rofl...this is funny