How many here feel that jadeja still doesnt know how to bat with tail.

[G_B_]

Jaddu was struggling to hit boundaries...thats the truth.

 

Lets say he farms the strike and fails to hit out. The scoreboard would simply not move on,.

[zen]

Even in his so called best form, he getting 30-40s … and probably thinks about not outs to boost up his avg

[Jamadagni]

14 minutes ago, Sgattick10 said:

I have always felt Ashwin is a better batsman then Jadeja, has more range as strokemaker. Jadeja has a higher avg cos more often then not, he bats selfishly and tries to not get out so his avg is better.

What else you feel/felt? 

[Trichromatic]

51 minutes ago, Sgattick10 said:

I have always felt Ashwin is a better batsman then Jadeja, has more range as strokemaker. Jadeja has a higher avg cos more often then not, he bats selfishly and tries to not get out so his avg is better.

 

38 minutes ago, zen said:

Even in his so called best form, he getting 30-40s … and probably thinks about not outs to boost up his avg

 

1 fifty per 3 inn. 

 

Who else is doing? 

[New guy]

As i said in the match thread, promote jadeja to bring stability after rahane. Let pant bat with the tail and go berserk. Pant is also good at rotating the strike 

[R!TTER]

1 hour ago, Sgattick10 said:

I have always felt Ashwin is a better batsman then Jadeja

Over the last 5+ years Jadeja has been the better batsman consistently! Ashwin has been more intelligent though.

[CodeOfWisden]

Jadeja needs to bat at 5 or at most 6, his innings yesterday never really took off. 

[neel roy]

Issue with Ashwin is technical. He still fiddles around ball outside off stump when the ball is swinging. He also plays on the rise when its not meant to. Due to this majority of his innings overseas other than sydney one is a quick 20/25. On other hand Jadeja now has solid defensive technique which lets him survive to score more runs in overseas conditions.. Pant at no 7 would be a waste because then he cannot build his innings and he ll get out hitting when he is with tailenders. Will you sacrifice pants 30/40s to get Jadeja a 60. Net result will be negative.. its a fine balance

[Trichromatic]

2 minutes ago, neel roy said:

Issue with Ashwin is technical. He still fiddles around ball outside off stump when the ball is swinging. He also plays on the rise when its not meant to. Due to this majority of his innings overseas other than sydney one is a quick 20/25. On other hand Jadeja now has solid defensive technique which lets him survive to score more runs in overseas conditions.. Pant at no 7 would be a waste because then he cannot build his innings and he ll get out hitting when he is with tailenders. Will you sacrifice pants 30/40s to get Jadeja a 60. Net result will be negative.. its a fine balance

Then push tailenders like Pujara and Rahane down the order. 

[Lord]

Last match he attacked when Shami came and denied singles. Got out doing it and was bashed.

 

This match too he was atleast trying to expose them less.Left Ishant one ball and he got out on that.

 

And for crowd who think he cares for not out,why would he slog like he did yesterday when Siraj came in?Would be much easier to give it to him.

 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Non-existent middle order, non-existent tail. Caught between these, poor souls Pant and Jadeja, despite saving the team multiple times from embarrassments, being blamed for their respective batting approaches - one for being over aggressive, other for being defensive and selfish.

 

Put even VVS in Jadeja's place in clown's team, he will prefer the same approach as Jadeja with this tail which can't even survive for a few overs.

[Serpico]

He was too defensive against Ali yesterday. He can't smash fast bowlers unless they bowl in his arc, he should realise what his strengths are

[Trichromatic]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

Last match he attacked when Shami came and denied singles. Got out doing it and was bashed.

 

This match too he was atleast trying to expose them less.Left Ishant one ball and he got out on that.

 

And for crowd who think he cares for not out,why would he slog like he did yesterday when Siraj came in?Would be much easier to give it to him.

 

 

 

Bhai, it's same as what shoonyashifar said, there is no escape. If you hit out like Pant, you're villain, if you defend, then there is problem. 

 

Basically 2 batsmen have ability to defend and attack and we have problem with them. 

[AuxiliA]

Lol people are still questioning his batting for real. He has scored more runs in this series than our star middle order combined! 

What more do you expect from an allrounder? To bat like Viv Richards? 

 

And no Ashwin is not a better bat than Jadeja. He scored most of his runs against WI and at home. While Jadeja scores evenly in all conditions. 

[maniac]

Jadeja is not a match winner, he is a great utility player. He will score a 50 or even take 4 wickets but usually will not have an impact on the outcome of the game. Only thing that is game changing is his fielding. He is a guy you can expect to have good contributions that will help win the match but will not have that defining innings or spell that will win matches on most occasions.

[Trichromatic]

9 minutes ago, maniac said:

Jadeja is not a match winner, he is a great utility player. He will score a 50 or even take 4 wickets but usually will not have an impact on the outcome of the game. Only thing that is game changing is his fielding. He is a guy you can expect to have good contributions that will help win the match but will not have that defining innings or spell that will win matches on most occasions.

 

Which format are you talking about? 

 

I have seen Jadeja giving match winning performances many times in test cricket. 

[maniac]

Just now, Trichromatic said:

 

Which format are you talking about? 

 

I have seen Jadeja giving match winning performances many times in test cricket. 

even in tests, usually he is a supporting act to Ashwin. They compliment each other perfectly. He has played some good innings recently but he never plays a defining knock like a 100 when everyone else flops or change the course of the game with a spell. Always just about adequate. Good player, deserves his spot but is not the X factor player we make him out to be.

[CodeOfWisden]

8 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Non-existent middle order, non-existent tail. Caught between these, poor souls Pant and Jadeja, despite saving the team multiple times from embarrassments, being blamed for their respective batting approaches - one for being over aggressive, other for being defensive and selfish.

 

Put even VVS in Jadeja's place in clown's team, he will prefer the same approach as Jadeja with this tail which can't even survive for a few overs.

I think Ishant did well to block one end with the bat, Jaddu has been performing really well but yesterday's innings was a lil weird in my opinion. 

To each his own. 

England's tail didn't hang around too long but Root played so beautifully so if there's one flaw in Jadeja then it is his partnerships with the lower order. He takes single on first balls and goes for big shots only when we are 9 down.

 

I don't think performance of middle order has anything to do with this, that is a separate topic and everyone knows that they have been pathetic but again that's got zero connection with Jadeja's batting with tailenders. 

Edited August 14, 2021 by CodeOfWisden

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, CodeOfWisden said:

I think Ishant did well to block one end with the bat, Jaddu has been performing really well but yesterday's innings was a lil weird in my opinion. 

To each his own. 

England's tail didn't hang around too long but Root played so beautifully so if there's one flaw in Jadeja then it is his partnerships with the lower order. He takes single on first balls and goes for big shots only when we are 9 down.

 

I don't think performance of middle order has anything to do with this, that is a separate topic and everyone knows that they have been pathetic but again that's got zero connection with Jadeja's batting with tailenders. 

 

that wasnt true yesterday.You mentioned Ishant,he only had to play that one ball he got out on.

 

Was denying singles to Shami too IIRC

[ShoonyaSifar]

34 minutes ago, CodeOfWisden said:

I think Ishant did well to block one end with the bat, Jaddu has been performing really well but yesterday's innings was a lil weird in my opinion. 

To each his own. 

England's tail didn't hang around too long but Root played so beautifully so if there's one flaw in Jadeja then it is his partnerships with the lower order. He takes single on first balls and goes for big shots only when we are 9 down.

 

I don't think performance of middle order has anything to do with this, that is a separate topic and everyone knows that they have been pathetic but again that's got zero connection with Jadeja's batting with tailenders. 

look at numbers - India faced 16 more overs after Pant's dismissal and scored 33 runs , our 7-11 faced 37 deliveries scoring 8 runs. Jadeja faced remaining 59 deliveries scoring 25 runs (was at 15* when Pant got out)

 

After Ali's dismissal, Eng faced 17 overs, scoring 50 runs, their 7-11 faced 62 deliveries and scored 11 runs. Root faced 41 deliveries and scored 29 (was at 151* when Ali got out). 

 

Who exposed the tail more? Who batted better with the tail?

Edited August 14, 2021 by ShoonyaSifar