Im worried about Pant now

[Suhaan]

Now im worried about Pant,he has played 5 innings without scoring much and as usual he is an easy target for critics(read ex cricketers here and others)

But apart from this ,he has to work on his batting especially in these conditions and believe in his abilities,he is not a kind of guy who would grind out session after sesions ,he needs to insure he doesn't let go whatever scoring opportunities he gets while he's at the crease,he will mostly get to bat at 6,7 where he needs to bat smartly and score at every opportunity 

It has been felt he's getting influenced with Kaptaan's batting style who has zero horizontal batting ability 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Suhaan

[Jamadagni]

13 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Now im worried about Pant,he has played 5 innings without scoring much and as usual he is an easy target for critics(read ex cricketers here and low iq fans)

But apart from this ,he has to work on his batting especially in these conditions and believe in his abilities,he is not a kind of guy who would grind out session after sesions ,he needs to insure he doesn't let go whatever scoring opportunities he gets while he's at the crease,he will mostly get to bat at 6,7 where he needs to bat smartly and score at every opportunity 

It has been felt he's getting influenced with Kaptaan's batting style who has zero horizontal batting ability 

 

Seems like Kohli also has become an easy target for "high iq" fans. 

[Suhaan]

3 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

 

Seems like Kohli also has become an easy target for "high iq" fans. 

No, he's the saviour of Indian cricket

[kubrickian]

England is pretty much the toughest place to bat for any batsman nowadays. With the new Duke's ball, the ball is swinging every if its 60 overs old. If there is cloud cover or moisture on the surface, it will be even worse. Every batsmen needs to adapt and change his game plan. Have to be lot more selective, be lot more decisive about which to leave and which to play. 

 

Its better for him to try to stay at the wicket lot more and look to accumulate runs, rather than go for big shots early on. Once he stays at the wicket longer, he can look to put away bad deliveries. 

[Lord]

he's not trusting his defense as much as he did in Aus and India,probably due to the movement.

 

3 times he has come in against new ball too.

[ShoonyaSifar]

Law of averages catching up on him. He was unreal in two back to back series.

 

One lesson from this series - stay as far away from the panauti as he can and do not tinker too much with his technique (standing outside the crease, taking out the cut shot etc). All those jokes with the joker standing next to him are doing him no good.

Edited August 29, 2021 by ShoonyaSifar

[kubrickian]

4 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Law of averages catching up on him. He was unreal in two back to back series.

 

One lesson from this series - stay as far away from the panauti as he can and do not tinker too much with his technique (standing outside the crease, taking out the cut **** etc). All those jokes with the joker standing next to him are doing him no good

In India and even in Australia, there is almost no lateral movement for seam bowlers. You can easily hit through the line. Even in England in 2007 or before, there used to be swing only with new ball for about 15-20 overs and then maybe when there is lot of cloud cover. But now, the ball is swinging throughout the day. These are challenging conditions for batsmen especially from sub continent.

[Suhaan]

England is not a place to drive at will,besides this England attack knows to exploit whatever little spice is there

They are no dumb,cricket has changed its not that easy their analyst who figure out chinks in one's armour and strategies accordingly

Just saying outside to nullify swing won't bear fruits anymore as i said he needs to bat at the crease make use of it,singles are also one way of getting into run scoring groove when he bats with someone like Jadeja/recognised batsmen,needs to believe in his technique and make improvements (not by getting tuitions from duds already present in the side)

[Gollum]

Pant shouldn't be too chummy with Kohli. See what happened to Gill starting with Eng home series. 

 

[raki05]

19 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Pant shouldn't be too chummy with Kohli. See what happened to Gill starting with Eng home series. 

 

And with Rahul. He used to give lot of input to Rahul. Rahul hanesha galat logo se doshti rakhta hai, pehle Pandya aur ab Panauti 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, kubrickian said:

In India and even in Australia, there is almost no lateral movement for seam bowlers. You can easily hit through the line. Even in England in 2007 or before, there used to be swing only with new ball for about 15-20 overs and then maybe when there is lot of cloud cover. But now, the ball is swinging throughout the day. These are challenging conditions for batsmen especially from sub continent.

If guys like Younus & Misbah can smash tons here by playing smart cricket then surely these guys can too.  Oval is probably most SC team friendly ground available. 

Fill the team with stroke makers & go for the kill.  I feel SKY will do very well here as he knows to play square of the wicket.  His defence won't be tested that much in Oval. 

[Vijy]

Pant has totally lost his form. If he hangs around Nos. 3-5, he is liable to forget batting altogether. If his form is this bad even in 4th test, it might be good to bench him for the 5th test and have KL keep. and this is not meant as a knock on Pant - he pulled off heroics after heroics in Oz and Ind, but one play horses for courses.

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Pant has totally lost his form. If he hangs around Nos. 3-5, he is liable to forget batting altogether. If his form is this bad even in 4th test, it might be good to bench him for the 5th test and have KL keep. and this is not meant as a knock on Pant - he pulled off heroics after heroics in Oz and Ind, but one play horses for courses.

 

KL isn't a Test keeper

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

KL isn't a Test keeper

No, he isn't. A stop-gap solution at best, until Pant returns to more familiar conditions and can then play again.

[Lord]

5 minutes ago, Vijy said:

No, he isn't. A stop-gap solution at best, until Pant returns to more familiar conditions and can then play again.

 

We'll end up losing KL's batting form. WKing in Tests totally different to LOIs

 

 

[Vivek92]

2 hours ago, kubrickian said:

In India and even in Australia, there is almost no lateral movement for seam bowlers. You can easily hit through the line. Even in England in 2007 or before, there used to be swing only with new ball for about 15-20 overs and then maybe when there is lot of cloud cover. But now, the ball is swinging throughout the day. These are challenging conditions for batsmen especially from sub continent.

Agree with your analysis mate. My only comment is what is the backroom staff doing to improve his game, batting and fielding coaches need to earn their paycheck as well.

[Vijy]

8 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

We'll end up losing KL's batting form. WKing in Tests totally different to LOIs

 

 

the same batting form from the 3rd test? KL scores 2-3 good innings and then he usually stops scoring. that's why his average is at 35. he rarely has a big series (perhaps never).

[Adamant]

4 hours ago, Vijy said:

Pant has totally lost his form. If he hangs around Nos. 3-5, he is liable to forget batting altogether. If his form is this bad even in 4th test, it might be good to bench him for the 5th test and have KL keep. and this is not meant as a knock on Pant - he pulled off heroics after heroics in Oz and Ind, but one play horses for courses.

Ridiculous. 

He is our Gilchrist. His name should be second  on the team sheet after Bumrah.

And you question Kohli's selection

 

[vvvslaxman]

He has the game to survive. But he is vulnerable outside off stump like others. You have to watch the ball like a hawk in English conditions and be prepared to make late adjustments. He just commits a shot and goes through with it.

[Yoda-esque]

He hits on the up,not conducive to English or NZ conditions.His game is more suited where he can hit square of the wicket.He needs to start playing straight in these conditions.