A case of too little too late... Did IPL low scores play a part in conservative batting approach?

[Texan]

It is the equivalent of watching Dhoni hit meaningless sixes after the game has already been lost. When all was almost lost, we start playing with freedom when they should have played with this attitude from the beginning.

 

Did the IPL low scores play a part in the team trying to be too conservative in their batting approach earlier in the tournament?

[zen]

No, Ind has many old fashioned players who like to take time … Against a better bowling attack, they could have batted differently 
 

In IPL, many Indian batsmen played with intent in PPs 

[maniac]

I agree with that theory, indian players were playing on 140-160 par scores in the IPL and before that these guys were playing on green tops vs Anderson. Maybe it seems like a piece of cake for arm chair experts like us but it is tough to switch on and off so fast.

 

Having said that still not an excuse, should have picked players on form as well.

[Pollack]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

No, Ind has many old fashioned players who like to take time … Against a better bowling attack, they could have batted differently 
 

In IPL, many Indian batsmen played with intent in PPs 

K L Rahul, Suryakumar Yadav, Rishabh Pant, Hardik Pandya aren't old fashioned. They all played like scared rabbits.  Only kohli, Rohit and Jadeja are old fashioned. 

 

[vvvslaxman]

MI missed the opportunity of testing Kishan at the top order. Same way Pant never gave himself enough batting practice by coming up the order. In the IPL your role, partners, approach everything is different. When you combine all these guys you don't necessarily field a team that gels well right off the bat.  If you take CSK every batsman had a role they executed perfectly even though most of their players were past by sell date. India never has that fool proof impenetrable unit that can withstand shocks. This has been the case in all formats. Knock out the top order you are into tail sooner than you think.  This pattern will continue until we find 4/5/6 who are as good as 1/2/3.

[zen]

1 minute ago, Pollack said:

K L Rahul, Suryakumar Yadav, Rishabh Pant, Hardik Pandya aren't old fashioned. They all played like scared rabbits.  Only kohli, Rohit and Jadeja are old fashioned. 

 

“read” 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Pollack said:

K L Rahul, Suryakumar Yadav, Rishabh Pant, Hardik Pandya aren't old fashioned. They all played like scared rabbits.  Only kohli, Rohit and Jadeja are old fashioned. 

 

 

When they all play for India, their first worry is not "triggering" collapse due to the fact there is no lower order batting. You don't have Andre Russell, Pollard, Dwyane Bravo coming down the order to keep taking risks.

[Pollack]

Just now, zen said:

“read” 

Oh yeah! You are always miscomprehended. 

[Laaloo]

No. These players have been conservative since 2008. So maybe yes.

[zen]

Just now, Pollack said:

Oh yeah! You are always miscomprehended. 

I suggest you discuss with posters who live in “subcon” for your level of discussions  

[straighttalk]

Thats true but wrong way of looking at things.. yes 456 are not as good as kohli or rohit  but india could switch the batting around a little bit. Secondly our 456 are better than many other teams 456.. if they can play freely so can we.. it is all relative

[ShoonyaSifar]

No excuses. We were piss poor in first two matches, faced much better opponents and the team looked largely disinterested and divided. Losing the tosses didn't help either. Less said about the captaincy the better

 

Now they are playing for pride and therefore playing out of their comfort zone.

[Pollack]

5 minutes ago, zen said:

I suggest you discuss with posters who live in “subcon” for your level of discussions  

Sanctimonious expert... level of discussion.. lol 

[nevada]

I think we never recovered after the shellacking in the first game. Typically, we put up a par score against Pakistan in world cups and they just implode. 150 was a decent score but Pakistan had other ideas. And then, losing the toss against NZ seemed to have deflated our team totally. Of course, against NZ we likely would have crumbled while chasing also, but batting first was a disaster.

[New guy]

19 minutes ago, Pollack said:

K L Rahul, Suryakumar Yadav, Rishabh Pant, Hardik Pandya aren't old fashioned. They all played like scared rabbits.  Only kohli, Rohit and Jadeja are old fashioned. 

 

How did pant play like scared rabbit?

[New guy]

15 minutes ago, straighttalk said:

Thats true but wrong way of looking at things.. yes 456 are not as good as kohli or rohit  but india could switch the batting around a little bit. Secondly our 456 are better than many other teams 456.. if they can play freely so can we.. it is all relative

Our 4,5, 6 are way better than kohli and rohit in how t20s should be played. Stats padding counts for nothing in t20s

[RajBan]

13 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

No excuses. We were piss poor in first two matches, faced much better opponents and the team looked largely disinterested and divided. Losing the tosses didn't help either. Less said about the captaincy the better

 

Now they are playing for pride and therefore playing out of their comfort zone.

Yes, sums it up. They know their asses are getting kicked, even paid media has read the pulse and guys like Bhogle and Chopra are trying to sound more rational and not just sucking Kohli, Rohit ,Jadeja and Bumrah shamelessly how they usually do.

[The Great Punjab]

Batting first in Dubai has been the most difficult if one just glances over all the results there.  Toss was crucial at this venue.  A combination of toss, team selection, losing quick wickets in the PP, timing of the bowlers in the first two games led to India's fall. Guptill did well against Scotland in carrying NZ through the other day.

[Adi_91]

18 minutes ago, nevada said:

I think we never recovered after the shellacking in the first game. Typically, we put up a par score against Pakistan in world cups and they just implode. 150 was a decent score but Pakistan had other ideas. And then, losing the toss against NZ seemed to have deflated our team totally. Of course, against NZ we likely would have crumbled while chasing also, but batting first was a disaster.

 

That Pak loss turned it around for them and derailed our campaign. 

[Vilander]

Pak bowlers bowled fast and accurate. Indian batsmen could not see ba so could not hit ball. 

 

NZ bowlers bowled with lots of variations so Indian batsmen could not keep their wicket and accelerate. 

 

Its basically lack of skill. 

 

If they bow out of semis or they sneak through does not make much of a difference..