singhvivek141 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Sean Bradley said: Is is the difference if Class or is it the difference of Strategy and Team Management. Are the Indian TM not being able to get the best out of these players the way their Franchises do, or these bowlers are just trash who get lucky in the IPL? Thoughts? Because the TM doesn't go by the skills of bowlers, rather they go by stats. Likes of Umran, Prasidh etc took less wickets than Avesh, Harshal, Bhuvi etc...but they bring up specific skill sets which are uncommon. TM need to select the bowlers with specific skill sets first and back them consistently, only then our bowling specially in T20's will improve. Unfortunately, we tend the pickup the all defensive bowlers whose only hope to take wickets is due to mistake of batsman. Instead of being proactive, we become reactive and wait for the opponents mistake. Frustrated, Vk1, express bowling and 1 other 4 Link to comment
express bowling Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 1) Because, in a long winding League format tournament, it is not possible for the big names to play with intensity in every match The big international names focus on a few big matches to play with intensity. But the performances of Indian players, for the purpose of national selection, are considered over all IPL matches including the numerous low key ones. Till the time our selectors and TM understand this, we will keep underperforming in T20Is. 2) There is little recognition of bowler types when we choose the T20 playing 11. We often play 3 medium pacers together which leads to a sameness in the attack which the oppositions exploit. SRT100, Vijy, Mosher and 4 others 2 1 4 Link to comment
Vk1 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) we are producing lot of talent but very very few of them are world beaters in LOIs esp T20s.. its like there are lot of students and many of them can get 80-90 marks but no one can get above 90/ 95.. it would be nice to have tall, strong or heavily built hitters.. there is no one who falls in this list.. Edited June 12, 2022 by Vk1 sage, Norman and Stan AF 3 Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Simple, they have good bowlers to support them in IPL teams. Here they have Patel Bhuvi Axar all avg bowlers. Bhuvi is gali mohalla level after the first 2 overs. Rest like Patel etc are not even that. Link to comment
sage Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 IPL needs to increase overseas quotient to 5 to raise quality Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) Say what? Hail Indian economy. Mera Bharat Mahaan. Take that Pakistanis . No IPL for you, maybe next year Edited June 13, 2022 by coffee_rules Vijy and raki05 2 Link to comment
nevada Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 8 hours ago, Vijy said: because these "legends" had better bowlers backing them up. Harshal, for instance, had Wanindu. Chahal had Ass-win and co. Pandu had entire GT pace attack + Rashid. the list goes on Very true! Also, key players for every franchise are overseas players. IPL teams and captains have become very comfortable "delegating" to their foreign hit men and without their services, are looking like crap in international cricket. We will struggle to get out of league phase itself in pretty much every T20 tournament. Vijy and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment
Vijy Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Just now, nevada said: Very true! Also, key players for every franchise are overseas players. IPL teams and captains have become very comfortable "delegating" to their foreign hit men and without their services, are looking like crap in international cricket. We will struggle to get out of league phase itself in pretty much every T20 tournament. yes, lots of 1st round exits on the horizon in LOIs coffee_rules and nevada 2 Link to comment
ThirtyD. Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 People barking against IPL’s existence conveniently forget the money it brings in. For some folks on here, money wouldn’t matter but understand that for these cricketers it is THE source of income, so unless you convince younger talents that they could be reliable breadwinner for their household you will not attract that much of a talent. Having said that, BCCI needs to really start injecting more money in revamping the current domestic circuit to be able to scout and nurture talent. I refuse to believe that in a mad cricketing country, we fail to assemble a squad without naming the likes of old and test players (Dhawan, Rahane, Pujara etc.). We need to get aggressive with our squad selection policies and pick designated players for particular format. Players like Bumrah are very rare and exhausting him by playing in every format is not doing justice to his talent. raki05 and express bowling 1 1 Link to comment
anish2tweet Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 hours ago, ThirtyD. said: People barking against IPL’s existence conveniently forget the money it brings in. For some folks on here, money wouldn’t matter but understand that for these cricketers it is THE source of income, so unless you convince younger talents that they could be reliable breadwinner for their household you will not attract that much of a talent. Having said that, BCCI needs to really start injecting more money in revamping the current domestic circuit to be able to scout and nurture talent. I refuse to believe that in a mad cricketing country, we fail to assemble a squad without naming the likes of old and test players (Dhawan, Rahane, Pujara etc.). We need to get aggressive with our squad selection policies and pick designated players for particular format. Players like Bumrah are very rare and exhausting him by playing in every format is not doing justice to his talent. So you say give rest to Bumrah. That is what they have done and see what happened. Link to comment
rollingstoned Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 People should be more patient with the team selected. our loi teams are not settled in general because of the lack of forward planning from 2015-2019 which means many are retiring at the same time and not enough good replacements have been groomed. We should stick with the ones we think will make it and give them a long rope, but what we should look at are foreign coaches who either understand or have played t20 cricket and are abreast of how the white ball game has changed. if you want to see the difference a coach makes in approach and mentality see the effect McCullum has already had on England. express bowling 1 Link to comment
raki05 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 I am happy with this young team unless fraud like Bhuvi, pandya , harshal and Yogi chahal is out. Also pant shouldn't be captain and he should be limited to test and at Max odi. Link to comment
Frustrated Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, anish2tweet said: So you say give rest to Bumrah. That is what they have done and see what happened. Exactly. Many ICFers strongly believe that giving frequent rest to key bowlers like bumrah is the solution to our bowling woes. Whereas in reality, it has backfired badly. Bumrah is becoming more and more impactless in every format, despite getting rested half the time. He should no longer be an automatic selection in crucial tournaments like ICC, considering his apparent inability to take early wickets. Edited June 13, 2022 by Frustrated Link to comment
Stan AF Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 There's a straight forward answer to this but posters here may not like it. The difference in quality between Indian talent and other teams is there for all to see. Adamant 1 Link to comment
Stan AF Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 In this beauty, our previous drunkard coach wants IPL for 6 months. Link to comment
Frustrated Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 56 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: So what's your issue ,either way bumrah isn't picked . My issue is that Bumrah always becomes an automatic selection in every icc tournament. So much so that TM selects him even when he is making his comeback after long break and is completely out of rhythm. He should not hv played the T20 WC last year at all. Looked toothless. Similarly, should not hv played WTC final vs NZ. He was our worst bowler in that all important test. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Stan AF said: There's a straight forward answer to this but posters here may not like it. The difference in quality between Indian talent and other teams is there for all to see. i have a better answer bilaterals dont matter to Wcs and t20 is all about Wc Link to comment
express bowling Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: i have a better answer bilaterals dont matter to Wcs and t20 is all about Wc But these bilateral games are preparations for the WC. Question is, are we picking the right players for Australia !! Edited June 13, 2022 by express bowling SRT100 and Mosher 1 1 Link to comment
Jay Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 5 hours ago, ThirtyD. said: People barking against IPL’s existence conveniently forget the money it brings in. For some folks on here, money wouldn’t matter but understand that for these cricketers it is THE source of income, so unless you convince younger talents that they could be reliable breadwinner for their household you will not attract that much of a talent. Having said that, BCCI needs to really start injecting more money in revamping the current domestic circuit to be able to scout and nurture talent. I refuse to believe that in a mad cricketing country, we fail to assemble a squad without naming the likes of old and test players (Dhawan, Rahane, Pujara etc.). We need to get aggressive with our squad selection policies and pick designated players for particular format. Players like Bumrah are very rare and exhausting him by playing in every format is not doing justice to his talent. Chuckrah has barely played. He will become feeble with too much rest. He needs all the games he can get soon. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, express bowling said: But these bilateral games are preparations for the WC. Question is, are we picking the right players for Australia !! It shud be but look at these two surfaces , australia men aisa kuch nhin hoga. N again results of bilateral have never impacted wc. In a short game anyone can win on any day. We all know how zimb won against mighty aussies in 2007 wc t20. Before last t20 wc we won t20 series everywhere - sa, aus , eng, nz , wi Aus came in that wc with 5 straight series losses. In the end who won ? These pitches are worst to take any call for tht wc in aus. Maharashtra pitches in IPL were lil closer to Aus pitches. Yesterday pitch made u wanna have players like bavuma n bhuvi in ur team. Link to comment
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