What's the point of Thakur?

[Gollum]

Can't afford him in the 1st XI for the rest of the tournament. If he is going to bowl 2-3 overs, score 10-15 runs (his batting has declined massively) and be a liability on the field what use?

 

Play a specialist. If pitch supports quicks, play Shami who is a genuine wicket taker and not much inferior when it comes to clearing the boundaries a couple of times per innings (that's the max 'batsman' Thakur currently gives us). If it's a spinning pitch go with Ashwin. Or an extra batting option in Kishan/Sky and ask Pandya to bowl 10 overs.....this may be needed in the KOs. 

 

Thakur is the weakest link, and honestly it's irritating to see him ahead of so many deserving players in the bench. Spoils the balance, today his selection didn't cost us but will against the big sides. 

Edited October 14, 2023 by Gollum

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Can't afford him in the 1st XI for the rest of the tournament. If he is going to bowl 2-3 overs, score 10-15 runs (his batting has declined massively) and be a liability on the field what use?

 

Play a specialist. If pitch supports quicks, play Shami who is a genuine wicket taker and not much inferior when it comes to clearing the boundaries a couple of times per innings (that's the max 'batsman' Thakur currently gives us). If it's a spinning pitch go with Ashwin. Or an extra batting option in Kishan/Sky and ask Pandya to bowl 10 overs.....this may be needed in the KOs. 

 

Thakur is the weakest link, and honestly it's irritating to see him ahead of so many deserving players in the bench. Spoils the balance, today his selection didn't cost us but will against the big sides. 

playing ashwin is better if we need a bowler who can bat a bit. ashwin's power game has improved. I don't think shami is needed much on these pitches, as he would be 3rd pacer.

 

I would prefer a 7th batter (namely SKY), but for that, the likes of Iyer and maybe Gill/Virat should have done some bowling practice beforehand

[Majestic]

Thakur is a waste.

 

Or maybe he might have made a comeback if he got to bowl again because it's hard to make assessment based on 2 overs spell. Having said that, I think we all have seen enough of his white ball game to conclude that he is the weakest link of this Indian team.

[The Realist]

Thakur is a fat man's Mark Ealham.

 

Dibble dobbly "all rounder" from the dark days of 90s English cricket.

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, The Realist said:

Thakur is a fat man's Mark Ealham.

 

Dibble dobbly "all rounder" from the dark days of 90s English cricket.

ealham was a pretty reliable ODI bowler. could almost make it to 90s eng team as a pure bowler. his batting and fielding were a bonus

[Lord]

its because batsman dont bowl that we have to make such jugaad.

 

Thakur maybe useful on venues like Dharamsala, Wankhede where there won't be much for spin. 

 

Has to improve his batting though.

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

its because batsman dont bowl that we have to make such jugaad.

 

Thakur maybe useful on venues like Dharamsala, Wankhede where there won't be much for spin. 

 

Has to improve his batting though.

his batting is only slightly above shami now. and in dharamsala, we should play shami ahead of him.

 

as for our batters, all are hopeless at bowling, but iyer can at least bowl a bit. he should be given a few overs vs minnows like Netherlands, Afg, Pak

[coffee_rules]

He’s an insurance policy in case of 285/7 chasing  311  with Kullu , BUmrah and Siraj coming next

[R!TTER]

Just don't look at these stats 

View overall figures [change view]

Opposition team Australia  or Bangladesh  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2021

Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 20

Ordered by bowling average (ascending)

Page 1 of 1

Showing 1 - 31 of 31

First Previous

Next  Last

Return to query menu Cleared query menu

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
TA Boult (NZ)	2021-2023	13	12	109.0	11	467	28	5/51	16.67	4.28	23.3	3	1
Mohammed Siraj (IND)	2022-2023	22	21	151.5	14	758	43	6/21	17.62	4.99	21.1	2	1
JJ Bumrah (IND)	2022-2023	13	12	101.2	10	454	25	6/19	18.16	4.48	24.3	0	1
MA Starc (AUS)	2022-2023	11	11	95.4	5	513	23	5/53	22.30	5.36	24.9	1	1
RJW Topley (ENG)	2021-2023	14	14	101.1	8	540	23	6/24	23.47	5.33	26.3	1	1
HH Pandya (IND)	2021-2023	23	20	105.2	6	588	25	4/24	23.52	5.58	25.2	1	0
Kuldeep Yadav (IND)	2021-2023	23	22	172.1	7	925	39	5/25	23.71	5.37	26.4	2	1
Mohammed Shami (IND)	2022-2023	14	14	101.0	8	539	22	5/51	24.50	5.33	27.5	0	1
A Zampa (AUS)	2022-2023	20	20	178.3	5	1024	40	5/35	25.60	5.73	26.7	5	1
K Rabada (SA)	2021-2023	16	16	138.1	8	747	29	5/39	25.75	5.40	28.5	0	1
AS Joseph (WI)	2021-2023	25	25	220.1	9	1063	41	3/36	25.92	4.82	32.2	0	0
DJ Willey (ENG)	2021-2023	15	15	103.5	7	555	21	4/64	26.42	5.34	29.6	1	0
MJ Henry (NZ)	2021-2023	20	20	183.3	19	839	31	4/27	27.06	4.57	35.5	1	0
KA Maharaj (SA)	2021-2023	22	21	186.1	9	844	31	4/33	27.22	4.53	36.0	1	0
Haris Rauf (PAK)	2021-2023	21	21	175.2	4	1036	37	4/19	28.00	5.90	28.4	3	0
Shaheen Shah Afridi (PAK)	2021-2023	18	18	156.3	8	940	33	4/35	28.48	6.00	28.4	2	0
PVD Chameera (SL)	2021-2022	15	14	108.0	4	608	21	5/16	28.95	5.62	30.8	0	1
Shakib Al Hasan (BAN)	2021-2023	18	18	173.3	9	781	26	5/36	30.03	4.50	40.0	1	1
T Shamsi (SA)	2021-2023	18	17	141.5	2	847	28	5/49	30.25	5.97	30.3	1	1
Rashid Khan (AFG)	2022-2023	16	15	137.0	3	639	21	4/37	30.42	4.66	39.1	1	0
Taskin Ahmed (BAN)	2021-2023	17	17	140.0	6	792	26	5/35	30.46	5.65	32.3	1	1
Fazalhaq Farooqi (AFG)	2022-2023	19	19	138.0	7	819	26	4/49	31.50	5.93	31.8	2	0
AJ Hosein (WI)	2021-2023	26	26	233.2	7	1143	36	3/26	31.75	4.89	38.8	0	0
MR Adair (IRE)	2021-2023	14	13	104.4	7	648	20	4/40	32.40	6.19	31.4	2	0
JR Hazlewood (AUS)	2022-2023	17	17	148.3	11	747	23	3/31	32.47	5.03	38.7	0	0
SN Thakur (IND)	2021-2023	22	21	137.5	6	848	26	4/67	32.61	6.15	31.8	1	0
L Ngidi (SA)	2021-2023	20	19	155.0	8	893	25	4/51	35.72	5.76	37.2	2	0
Mehidy Hasan Miraz (BAN)	2021-2023	21	21	162.1	6	872	24	4/30	36.33	5.37	40.5	2	0
AU Rashid (ENG)	2021-2023	19	19	164.0	1	994	27	4/45	36.81	6.06	36.4	1	0
SM Curran (ENG)	2021-2023	21	21	145.0	10	874	23	5/48	38.00	6.02	37.8	1	1
Mustafizur Rahman (BAN)	2021-2023	21	21	164.4	5	864	21	3/16	41.14	5.24	47.0	0	0

[Serpico]

Great people will only step in when its absolutely necessary. Today we didn't need thakur so he didn't bother much. When the need arises he will be there, trust the plan

[Serpico]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Can't afford him in the 1st XI for the rest of the tournament. If he is going to bowl 2-3 overs, score 10-15 runs (his batting has declined massively) and be a liability on the field what use?

 

 

First of all, this is a flawed analysis because today Pakistan crumbled and we didn't have to stretch our resources. But we cannot expect a perfect game like this every day. Its like saying why do we need a helmet, everytime we didn't crash our motorcycle. 

 

If Pakistan batted all 50 overs and didn't lose their main batsmen by 35th over, thakur bowled another 2 from the remaining 7 since pandya already bowled 6

Edited October 14, 2023 by Serpico

[Frustrated]

25 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

He’s an insurance policy in case of 285/7 chasing  311  with Kullu , BUmrah and Siraj coming next

Summarised nicely with that example.  

[Mariyam]

I think the point of Thakur is that lazy journalists can come with some insipid Sholay themed headlines /puns when he plays. 
 

It’s a case of BCCI trying to woo the journalist fraternity. 

[bowl_out]

He is seen as an insurance 

If one of the five bowlers has an off day or gets injured, Thakur can get some overs. If we have a top order collapse and the middle order is fighting it out, Thakur is expected to hang around with the No.6 or 7 that he might be batting with. 

If the bowlers are having a good day and batsmen are having a good day, he is not required. Like today's game, the insurance wasn't required to be used.

 

Ashwin will come back against SENA teams and teams with many lefties. If Bangladesh has many lefties,  Ashwin might come in for him.

[bowl_out]

32 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

He’s an insurance policy in case of 285/7 chasing  311  with Kullu , BUmrah and Siraj coming next

Exactly. 

Or when the some bowler has an off day or is injured in the middle of the game

[Lord]

36 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

He’s an insurance policy in case of 285/7 chasing  311  with Kullu , BUmrah and Siraj coming next

 

He won't win it from there.

 

Shami can make that 311 into 280 by bowling itself. And can tonk few on his day.

[Serpico]

For all those who are comparing Shami's stats with thakur's, keep in mind shami bowls with a new ball or as first change whenever he plays. Thakur is the second change pacer who bowls bulk of his overs between 20 and 40

 

Here are the stats for the 20-40 over period since 2020 (taken from cricmetric)

 

Thakur - avg 25, s/r 26, wickets 28

Shami - avg 29, s/r 29, wickets 9

Pandya - avg 30, s/r 31, wickets 8

Jaddu - avg 39, s/r 47, wickets 19

 

So thakur does a specialised job in which he got the most experience in last 4 yrs and has better stats than other alternatives. On another day where jaddu/pandya got taken to cleaners, thakur might have come useful 

[R!TTER]

Kind of agree with that thought but the issue is in games where our bowling has failed our batting has rarely stepped up!

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

He won't win it from there.

 

Shami can make that 311 into 280 by bowling itself. And can tonk few on his day.

True but generally we've lost those games by big margins.

[Nikhil_cric]

Insurance policy is a sign of defensiveness.  We need the extra batter. Period.  

 

Kuldeep, Bumrah, Shami, Siraj can all give 10 each. Either get 10 out of Pandya or get 7 out of him and just bowl any rubbish part time from anyone. It does not matter.  Prasidh should have been in the squad ahead of Shardul

 

 

[cricspirit]

I was saying this before the start of world cup. We do not need Jadeja, Pandya, Thakur playing together. Maximum 2 of them.  Mostly Thakur should only play specific games and not every game. 

 

They need to cover 4-5 overs between Virat, Iyer, Sky, Rohit.. Does not matter. If Pandya Can bowl all 10 overs then it wont be needed. The number of extra runs v/s 5 overs from Thakur would be no more than 10-15 runs. If we play a specialist batter or bowler, we gain more. I will favor SKY/Kishan in this case. Again Ashwin can come in depending on the pitch. Batters need to move their A$$ and roll their arms if needed. 

 

I will feel very confident of our chances with one more batter. Thakur as Insurance comes with too many conditions and wont pay if the insurance is needed.