The Realist Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Like it matters anyway. The Ind T20 team is a total mess starting from Sharma who shrivels under any pressure to Dravid who is hopeless in this format to the old guard that will play no matter what. The current mindset of padding those stats, building slowly and then hitting out later has failed umpteen times yet still they persist. The whole team, way of playing and strategy needs a complete reboot. nevada, Lone Wolf and Number 3 Link to comment
putrevus Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, New guy said: Lol you can repeat this a million times but batsmen who start slow and then hit later always harm the team no matter what their end average or strike rate is. There have been multiple studies which showed this including Cricinfos analysis All the middle order struggle etc directly result from stat padders on top. And Rohit playing rashly and getting out early doesn't harm the team as much. What world do you live in, these are Rohit Sharma scores 27 runs @ 96 SR after playing 28 deliveries in 2022 semis and 43 runs@ 130 after playing 31 deliveries in 2016 semis. in what world are these called getting out early or giving fast starts. Rohit and Rahane screwed India completely in 2016 semis. Rahul and Rohit screwed India again in 2022 semis. So guy walking at number 3 not only has account for slow starts but also has make sure he needs to stay at wicket till the end as openers did nothing but waste overs and also lost their wickets. But he also has to account for other wickets like SKY falling around him. When you have useless idiots like Dhoni as finisher in 2014 and 2016 who bats at lower SR than the number 3. So get your head out of sand. Kohli was never the problem in any white ball losses .Rohit Sharma is one of biggest reason why India has flopped in t20 world cups. This moron Rohit does not merit a spot on the team. We can pin one loss on Kohli which is 2019 semis, he is the best batsman and he should have seen India home in that semi finals. Edited March 12 by putrevus Link to comment
putrevus Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gollum said: 99% of people will have Sachin and Kohli among top 5 ODI players of all time....other contenders are Viv, ABDV, Ponting right? So how can you pretend as if Sachin was a nobody in the format. Forget the stats, Sachin dominated a WC in the 90s, 2000s and then as an old man did so well in 2011. While I strongly disagree with downplaying Kohli's greatness in T20s, same applies to Sachin in ODIs. I am not down playing Sachin's greatness in odis nor pretending Sachin as nobody but I don't think he is as good Kohli in odis. It is not even close. World cup is not the only thing needed to be great in my opinion.Sachin was great before he won in 2011. Edited March 12 by putrevus Laaloo 1 Link to comment
Number Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Both Rohit and Virat shouldn't be part of T20I team. Anyone who watched them play against Rashid and Livingstone in 2022 semis will not pick them for a T20 in WI. express bowling, raki05, Lone Wolf and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Both Rohit & Virat will somehow be only useful in Barbados (we may play Semi there) Final is anyways in Barbados. Last ODI we played there our players were not able to adjust with the bounce and pace. Other than that Jaiswal Rinku both are must in batting unit. We shouldn't bother turning up without our two most explosive left handers in a big tournament. SKY is a minnow basher & we would be fine in USA on those tiny grounds even vs Poyzz. Link to comment
adi B Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Good news if true ,kick out all the perennial losers/chokers out of the team! Sick of watching these same faces losing in ICC tournaments and continuing to suck forever. While at it, Rohit,Jadeja,Rahul and Even that Fraud Pandya should be kicked out express bowling and raki05 1 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 6 hours ago, putrevus said: Jadeja did not play last t20 world cup, what great things did Axar do in that world cup. What has Pandya done in any world cups in both t20 and 50 overs other than his 63 where he was struggling to score more than run a ball for majority of the innings. Why is Pandya a must, what can he do , , what has he done in any world cup both in 50 over and 20 over. He is most overrated bozo. Last world cup in Australia you should have backed wristy. They carried a wristy. Did not play him even in one match. Link to comment
Vijy Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 5 hours ago, Gollum said: Agree, Sachin was a champ in ODIs, Kohli is a champ in both white ball formats. It is intellectually dishonest to argue otherwise. Rohit indeed has been a massive disappointment apart from the 2007 edition. Jadeja is the worst ever in T20 WCs but Rohit has been utterly useless for more than a decade in this competition. Not a fan of persisting with him, on top of that they have rewarded him with captaincy Lot of negativity on this thread as expected. Sad: two great, though flawed, players. Edited March 12 by Vijy raki05 and rollingstoned 2 Link to comment
Need4Speed Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 If Kohli is being dropped then Rohit Kela Jadeja and Pandya the batter shoukd be dropped too… We are still stuck on this and see even Pak is making a good bowler out of Saim Ayub..when are going to see our AR grooming..dont want Jadeja in T20s anymore.. Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 7 hours ago, Need4Speed said: If Kohli is being dropped then Rohit Kela Jadeja and Pandya the batter shoukd be dropped too… We are still stuck on this and see even Pak is making a good bowler out of Saim Ayub..when are going to see our AR grooming..dont want Jadeja in T20s anymore.. Agreed. I generally support Pandya but he hasn't really done anything with the bat in this format lately either. SKY, Ruturaj, Jaiswal, Gill, Tilak, Rinku, Jitesh, Washington. There's enough there to build a Top 7 for the World T20. Need4Speed 1 Link to comment
New guy Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 16 hours ago, Gollum said: Agree, Sachin was a champ in ODIs, Kohli is a champ in both white ball formats. It is intellectually dishonest to argue otherwise. Rohit indeed has been a massive disappointment apart from the 2007 edition. Jadeja is the worst ever in T20 WCs but Rohit has been utterly useless for more than a decade in this competition. Not a fan of persisting with him, on top of that they have rewarded him with captaincy Sure, if you dont understand how T20s work. Big averages, many 50s and hitting later to make up strike rate doesnt make a great T20 player. Which is why ABD and SKY (if he continues same way for years) are great T20 players but Kohli and Babar are not, they are just good players. Kohli has surpassed Sachin in ODIs but he is a very poor T20 player because he plays T20s like ODIs. And I will repeat, not a single team who has stat padders playing long innings in T20 in the top 3, will EVER win the T20 cup. Edited March 13 by New guy Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 54 minutes ago, New guy said: Sure, if you dont understand how T20s work. Big averages, many 50s and hitting later to make up strike rate doesnt make a great T20 player. Which is why ABD and SKY (if he continues same way for years) are great T20 players but Kohli and Babar are not, they are just good players. Kohli has surpassed Sachin in ODIs but he is a very poor T20 player because he plays T20s like ODIs. And I will repeat, not a single team who has stat padders playing long innings in T20 will EVER win the T20 cup. ABD was one of the worst ever T20I players, don't be fooled by his IPL pyrotechnics. SKY, seriously? You are trolling, surely? Kohli a poor T20I player. Yeah sure, Mohali 2016 and MCG 2022 were doable for 1000 other batsmen in your head. Imagine putting Kohli and Babar in the same bracket in T20s, what next? Steyn and Agarkar are similar in tests? Edited March 13 by Gollum Vijy and AuxiliA 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said: Agreed. I generally support Pandya but he hasn't really done anything with the bat in this format lately either. SKY, Ruturaj, Jaiswal, Gill, Tilak, Rinku, Jitesh, Washington. There's enough there to build a Top 7 for the World T20. SKY, Ruturaj on WI pitches. Tilak, Washington You want us to lose to USA and Canada or what? raki05 and Adamant 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Mark this post. If that fool SKY goes to WI, he will make his WC F knock look like Viv's 189. On those double paced pitches, Cummins, Ngidi, Curran, Naseem etc will bowl back of the hand 120kph cutters and this guy will look to ramp, scoop, lap and reverse paddle them in the third man to fine leg area. He is the dumbest cricketer of all time, and the worst ever selection, devalued the Indian jersey in all formats. @Frustrated and me will bump that national treasure thread so many times in case selectors make the ultimate blunder of sending Shunya Kumar to WI. spiritb2, New guy, Frustrated and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Since it is confirmed that Rohit will lead the side in WI Top 7 should read Jaiswal Rohit Kohli Pandya Rinku Jitesh Dube/Axar.... Link to comment
Sooda Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 14 hours ago, The Realist said: Like it matters anyway. The Ind T20 team is a total mess starting from Sharma who shrivels under any pressure to Dravid who is hopeless in this format to the old guard that will play no matter what. The current mindset of padding those stats, building slowly and then hitting out later has failed umpteen times yet still they persist. The whole team, way of playing and strategy needs a complete reboot. The unfortunate thing is that reboot did happen: Gill, Jaiswal, Sky, Hardik (c), Rinku, Jitesh... was the way forward...inevitably, we've gone back to Rohit and talking about Virat Link to comment
Frustrated Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Gollum said: Mark this post. If that fool SKY goes to WI, he will make his WC F knock look like Viv's 189. On those double paced pitches, Cummins, Ngidi, Curran, Naseem etc will bowl back of the hand 120kph cutters and this guy will look to ramp, scoop, lap and reverse paddle them in the third man to fine leg area. He is the dumbest cricketer of all time, and the worst ever selection, devalued the Indian jersey in all formats. @Frustrated and me will bump that national treasure thread so many times in case selectors make the ultimate blunder of sending Shunya Kumar to WI. He is likely to suck on most of the Windies pitches. Thats for sure. He has already shown glimpses of that in the 5th and Final t20 match against Windies (Aug 2023). Somehow managed to score a fifty (with low SR) and then got out. BTW, how many matches do we hv in the US? He might do a little better over there. Vijy and Gollum 2 Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Gollum said: SKY, Ruturaj on WI pitches. Tilak, Washington You want us to lose to USA and Canada or what? Ruturaj is a pretty good player of spin. It's not that outlandish . Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Also , @Gollum, please look at the numbers for SKY and Tilak Varma when we toured the Caribbean last year. So I'm not sure why you think they won't do well on West Indies pitches. express bowling 1 Link to comment
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