Final Solution to Pakistan ?

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

 

and where do the nukes go in balkanized Pak? Let's stop fantasizing about alternate realities that don't have a realistic chance of ocurring in this universe.

In a Balkanized state nukes would already be taken out with their entire nuclear doctrine and infrastructure dismantled.

Nukes are crazy expensive to maintain as well.

 

 

[diga]

30 minutes ago, mishra said:

What US is saying that they want more control on Pakistani Nukes

Yep

[ravishingravi]

 

[crictime]

Pakistan is a failed state as soon as the IMF stops giving  them loan. It has a government only for name sake, being ruled by the army behind the curtains. China and US are deciding Pakistans political leadership and have been successful in getting Pakistans foreign policies in their own interests. Wait till PKR falls further to 350 to 400 per dollar given the way it is going. Even if it does not, it is still in a horrible ratio. Add to all other factors, the internal stife and turmoil, their focus on supporting terrorism will cause their doom. It does not needs more external push - China and US have taken them to this situation already banging it left, right and centre as per their wishes. Those two countries determine who stays in power in Pakistan rather than their citizens.

 

 

India should work upon own development in manufacturing sector, bolstering indeginious defense, strengthening the infrastructure, coming up with better economic policies. Corruption is a big hindrance to the development though and it seems none is interested to stop taking kickbacks. We need to solve our major problems first.

[velu]

 

[Alam_dar]

Sooner or later, this question will stand before you: What exactly is the goal?

• Is the aim to finish Pakistan?

• Or is it to erase Islam itself?

• And is it even possible to end Pakistan without addressing Islam first?

• If so, does that also mean Bangladesh must be dismantled too?

• What about the millions of Indian Muslims? Where do they fit in this equation?

So, the real question is: What do you truly want?

Do you want all Muslims of the Indian subcontinent, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh, to be forcibly converted to Hinduism?
Or is the intention to subjugate them politically and socially.

In my view, there is only one practical and ethical solution: Secularism.

Muslims can move towards secularism or liberal values, but expecting them to convert to Hinduism is unrealistic and practically impossible.
On the other hand, it is far more achievable for Hindus to embrace secularism and liberalism, though their aversion to Islam may persist for a long time.

But secularism offers a simple yet powerful alternative:
With secularism, no one needs to change their religion. The focus shifts from religious identity to human equality and coexistence.

That is the only viable path forward for everyone.

Edited May 13, 2025 by Alam_dar

[putrevus]

24 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Sooner or later, this question will stand before you: What exactly is the goal?

• Is the aim to finish Pakistan?

• Or is it to erase Islam itself?

• And is it even possible to end Pakistan without addressing Islam first?

• If so, does that also mean Bangladesh must be dismantled too?

• What about the millions of Indian Muslims? Where do they fit in this equation?

So, the real question is: What do you truly want?

Do you want all Muslims of the Indian subcontinent, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh, to be forcibly converted to Hinduism?
Or is the intention to subjugate them politically and socially.

In my view, there is only one practical and ethical solution: Secularism.

Muslims can move towards secularism or liberal values, but expecting them to convert to Hinduism is unrealistic and practically impossible.
On the other hand, it is far more achievable for Hindus to embrace secularism and liberalism, though their aversion to Islam may persist for a long time.

But secularism offers a simple yet powerful alternative:
With secularism, no one needs to change their religion. The focus shifts from religious identity to human equality and coexistence.

That is the only viable path forward for everyone.

Why Pakistanis keep bringing religion in the equation. India has more muslims than Pakistan, for majority of them India is their country.

 

Killing innocent people in name of religion Why?

 

Hypocrisy of Pakistanis, they don't want to let go Balochistan but they want Kashmir.

Edited May 13, 2025 by putrevus

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, velu said:

 

 

LIC assets are $620 B. Almost double of GDP of Pakistan

 

Assets Under Management (AUM) reached ₹52.52 trillion (US$620 billion) as of March 2024.

[jf1gp_1]

Imran should come out become PM and after 4 year Afridi. If this happens then all we need to do is buy popcorn and enjoy the show.

[bharathh]

1 hour ago, Alam_dar said:

Sooner or later, this question will stand before you: What exactly is the goal?

• Is the aim to finish Pakistan?

• Or is it to erase Islam itself?

• And is it even possible to end Pakistan without addressing Islam first?

• If so, does that also mean Bangladesh must be dismantled too?

• What about the millions of Indian Muslims? Where do they fit in this equation?

So, the real question is: What do you truly want?

Do you want all Muslims of the Indian subcontinent, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh, to be forcibly converted to Hinduism?
Or is the intention to subjugate them politically and socially.

In my view, there is only one practical and ethical solution: Secularism.

Muslims can move towards secularism or liberal values, but expecting them to convert to Hinduism is unrealistic and practically impossible.
On the other hand, it is far more achievable for Hindus to embrace secularism and liberalism, though their aversion to Islam may persist for a long time.

But secularism offers a simple yet powerful alternative:
With secularism, no one needs to change their religion. The focus shifts from religious identity to human equality and coexistence.

That is the only viable path forward for everyone.

 

Who mentioned that everyone needs to convert or that this fight against Pak is a fight against Islam? 

[IndianRenegade]

We don't have stomach or power to do what is needed at this point, all we can do mitigate. The almighty israel who employe brutal tactics with US backing can't solve the palestine problem, why do you think we are special?

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

In a Balkanized state nukes would already be taken out with their entire nuclear doctrine and infrastructure dismantled.

Nukes are crazy expensive to maintain as well.

 

 

you are glossing over the risk that 'loose nukes' pose to India, especially to India - before, during and after balkanization.  In short, the fix has very high probability to be more dangerous than the current status quo.  At that point, the suggested fix, deserves to be chucked into the trash.

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

Sooner or later, this question will stand before you: What exactly is the goal?

• Is the aim to finish Pakistan?

• Or is it to erase Islam itself?

• And is it even possible to end Pakistan without addressing Islam first?

• If so, does that also mean Bangladesh must be dismantled too?

• What about the millions of Indian Muslims? Where do they fit in this equation?

So, the real question is: What do you truly want?

Do you want all Muslims of the Indian subcontinent, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh, to be forcibly converted to Hinduism?
Or is the intention to subjugate them politically and socially.

In my view, there is only one practical and ethical solution: Secularism.

Muslims can move towards secularism or liberal values, but expecting them to convert to Hinduism is unrealistic and practically impossible.
On the other hand, it is far more achievable for Hindus to embrace secularism and liberalism, though their aversion to Islam may persist for a long time.

But secularism offers a simple yet powerful alternative:
With secularism, no one needs to change their religion. The focus shifts from religious identity to human equality and coexistence.

That is the only viable path forward for everyone.

now try saying that publicly in Pakistan. without being lynched.

 

Good luck to you.

[sandeep]

50 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Imran should come out become PM and after 4 year Afridi. If this happens then all we need to do is buy popcorn and enjoy the show.

Regardless of which inbred moron is puppet PM, we can continue to buy popcorn and enjoy the show.

 

Greenbros are busy self-anally-violating instead of bothering to do the work necessary to compete with us.

 

Getting the Chinese to provide them with weapons isn't competing with us, in the meantime they mortgaged and sold off their future, including agricultural land, to the Chinese. 

 

Let them continue slow motion suicide driven by hatred.

 

India just needs to manage the terrorism risk, which we are decent with, esp with Op Sindoor.

Edited May 13, 2025 by sandeep

[Alam_dar]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

Why Pakistanis keep bringing religion in the equation. India has more muslims than Pakistan, for majority of them India is their country.

 

Pakistanis bring religion while it is important to them. 

However, I brought it while I see religion is indeed playing a huge role on the both sides of the border. In my opinion, denying the reality is, unfortunately, not going to solve the problem.

 

 

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

 

Killing innocent people in name of religion Why?

 

For Indians, Pakistanis are killing in the name of religion.

For Pakistanis, Indian Hindutva aimed to destroy entire Pakistan only due to their hatred against Muslims. 

 

How are we going to solve this problem, except for returning to secular/liberal values. Otherwise, the radical elements of both sides will keep on strengthening each other. 

 

 

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

Hypocrisy of Pakistanis, they don't want to let go Balochistan but they want Kashmir.

For Indians, Baluchistan should get independence. Perhaps India may also be backing TTP. 

 

And Pakistanis are found saying the same that Kashmir, Punjab, Manipur, Nagaland don't want to be part of India and must get independence along with the entire South India.

 

So, how are we going to solve all these issues? Through destroying each other? 

 

Or are there any peaceful solutions possible? 

[Alam_dar]

1 hour ago, bharathh said:

 

Who mentioned that everyone needs to convert or that this fight against Pak is a fight against Islam? 

 

I fear that without embracing secularism, both Pakistan and India will continue drifting further into religious extremism.

This growing radicalism will inevitably lead to more conflict between Muslims and Hindus, not just across borders, but even within India itself.

Pakistan was the first to set this dangerous precedent of religious radicalization and is now suffering its consequences. Initially, India was pushed towards Hindu radicalism in reaction, but today, it has become self-sustaining in this ideology.

In my view, there is no permanent solution to this vicious cycle except through secularism. The only alternative is for one side to dominate the other socially and economically, but even then, the hatred will persist.

 

Pakistan, Muslims and Islam have the biggest share in all these problems. Hopefully India does not follow this path and get rid of radicalization, as it will drag India too in darkness. 

 

 

 

[ravishingravi]

3 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

 

I fear that without embracing secularism, both Pakistan and India will continue drifting further into religious extremism.

This growing radicalism will inevitably lead to more conflict between Muslims and Hindus, not just across borders, but even within India itself.

Pakistan was the first to set this dangerous precedent of religious radicalization and is now suffering its consequences. Initially, India was pushed towards Hindu radicalism in reaction, but today, it has become self-sustaining in this ideology.

In my view, there is no permanent solution to this vicious cycle except through secularism. The only alternative is for one side to dominate the other socially and economically, but even then, the hatred will persist.

 

Pakistan, Muslims and Islam have the biggest share in all these problems. Hopefully India does not follow this path and get rid of radicalization, as it will drag India too in darkness. 

 

 

 

 

Your fear is not based on precedents or facts. You seem to be reciting and recycling talking points that can be dismantled. 

[deathmonger]

4 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

 

I fear that without embracing secularism, both Pakistan and India will continue drifting further into religious extremism.

This growing radicalism will inevitably lead to more conflict between Muslims and Hindus, not just across borders, but even within India itself.

Pakistan was the first to set this dangerous precedent of religious radicalization and is now suffering its consequences. Initially, India was pushed towards Hindu radicalism in reaction, but today, it has become self-sustaining in this ideology.

In my view, there is no permanent solution to this vicious cycle except through secularism. The only alternative is for one side to dominate the other socially and economically, but even then, the hatred will persist.

 

Pakistan, Muslims and Islam have the biggest share in all these problems. Hopefully India does not follow this path and get rid of radicalization, as it will drag India too in darkness. 

 

 

 

India IS secular.

[ravishingravi]

Another thing people are not Factoring is break up of Bangladesh. There is a lot of talk about India's capabilities. 

 

India is now in an unusual situation where hawks overestimate it's abilities and bears underestimate. This is our neighborhood. People don't understand what India can do over long term. 

[randomGuy]

@Alam_dar there are 12-13 cr pakistani punjabis and 5.5 cr people from sindh. If sindhis were 12 cr n Punjabis 5 cr, there would never be a problem of cross border terrorism.

 

Pathans are happy in their areas, baloch also detest punjabis.

 

Policymakers are almost exclusively pakjabis and they have a dna issue of not living n letting others live peacefully....ye laton ke bhot hain...all they need is a 100 terrorists per year to needle india. No amount of education can save pakjab , punishment is the only deterrance