Does Shubman Gill averaging only 35 in test deserves captaincy?

[Trichromatic]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

To be fair Sarfraz looked out of depth on any surface that was slightly challenging. Be it is spin or pace. It was shocking to see him struggle against average NZ spinners at test level

 

He just played couple of tests on such tracks.

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

 

He just played couple of tests on such tracks.

The way he attempted to negotiate such deliveries was what shocking. He tried to sweep everything instead of going back and across.

[goose]

he's not even good to watch. his cuts look like wierd drives, arms cramped and ugly.

[Kothili]

BCCI fukkfaces fukked it up again appointing this useless fella. Shreyas is way better than this poster boy.

Edited May 25, 2025 by Kothili

[Gollum]

More than him not deserving a spot in the squad, I think Gill's insecurity/jealousy (evident from this IPL or the Zim tour last year) is what should be most alarming. Do you think it is in Gill's interest to watch Jaiswal succeed? Never mind the younger ones.

 

SKY/KL may have many flaws but at least they are selfless guys, who can enjoy and enable other people's success. Gill in such an important position spells danger for the future of our team, not a good environment for young batsmen. 

[pkmmamks]

No. Kohli or Rohit should have played this series to guide him. 

 

There wasn't any other option

[coffee_rules]

No, Who deserves captaincy other than Bumrah? Maybe Pant should have been made captain and Gill Vice. But, it is not much of a difference as Pant has not painted the field red either.

[New guy]

47 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

No, Who deserves captaincy other than Bumrah? Maybe Pant should have been made captain and Gill Vice. But, it is not much of a difference as Pant has not painted the field red either.

Well Pant has been painting the filed red in tests for over 5 years now. But yes captaincy is a question mark. And then we also had Iyer

[The Hound]

Is test cricket captaincy easy though compared to T20s?? India's two most successful test players of the past decade say it so 

 

 

 

 

[Vilander]

On 5/24/2025 at 8:03 AM, zen said:

Exactly! Appears there is this misconception that the best averaging batsman or bowler should be the captain. 
 

 

Player who makes team for sure should be captain otherwise they will make it only as a captain which is suboptimal.

[Vilander]

Still the same old.. usual suspects are bringing down the quality of discussion with low iq posts. But lots of quality otherwise in the thread. Be well icf.

[Strangering]

If you have to ask... you already know

[Strangering]

On 5/25/2025 at 10:56 AM, Texan said:

Notice the familiar line, length and trajectory of all those balls. 

 

 

 

Top of off stump is pretty much the most commonly practiced delivery by bowlers. Add a bit of movement and he's a sitting duck. 

[bowl_out]

On 5/26/2025 at 11:11 PM, Gollum said:

More than him not deserving a spot in the squad, I think Gill's insecurity/jealousy (evident from this IPL or the Zim tour last year) is what should be most alarming. Do you think it is in Gill's interest to watch Jaiswal succeed? Never mind the younger ones.

What happened this IPL? I thought his captaincy was much better this year than last year.

[Gollum]

3 hours ago, bowl_out said:

What happened this IPL? I thought his captaincy was much better this year than last year.

Salty remarks when Suryavanshi made that 40 ball 100.

[Lord]

Bumrah,Pant,Jadeja even Jaiswal deserves it more

[putrevus]

The batting avgs will go down as batsman play more t20s.Pitches helping bowlers more and more is also a factor for lower batting averages. Far cry from 1980s-2000s when there were pitches in most countries that were flat which would help batsmen make merry to offset lively pitches.

 

Now we see result in almost every test match. India will play more and more in SENA will also contribute to lower averages.

 

Dravid played 4 series in Australia in 16 years. Sachin played 5 series in 20 plus years. Gill has already played 2 Series in 5 years.

 

Don't know why Gill has been made captain though.He is still not a certainity in playing XI.

Edited May 30, 2025 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

On 5/28/2025 at 10:22 AM, The Hound said:

Is test cricket captaincy easy though compared to T20s?? India's two most successful test players of the past decade say it so 

 

 

 

 

 

In Tests it is a lot more structured. You don't need to think on the feet all the time as you expect the opposition to play in a certain way. With new aggressive players coming through captains are running out of ideas very soon.  At the end of the day bowlers and captains have to be in sync. YOou work out the field set and as long as the bowlers bowl to the field you are going to be good. In Tests leadership is also needed not just captaincy. When team goes through a period of no wicket you have to keep the players motivated. Also things like  how he makes sure bowlers don't suffer a burn out are important in Tests.  Players should be able to take the heat.  Player should first and foremost love playing Tests. Rahane i thought did an exceptional job at the MCG with his bowling rotation back in 2021.

[urbestfriend]

Yes, Gill is a bad choice. If he suddenly finds form, and does well, then there will be no problem. But if he continues to be inconsistent, then the real problem of insecurity creeps in. Test captaincy should have been given to Bumrah, especially when Bumrah was interested. Pant should have been VC. If sudarshan and Jaiswal does really well, he may not even deserve a chance in XI. Probably Karun at 3, Iyer at 4 would have been better choice. 

What is interesting is what is the motive for selection of Gill over others especially when Bumrah staked his claim.  He has no captaincy pedigree to speak of. Only reason could be he allows the coach to rule without questioning? It looks like Nehra has complete control of team selection in GT, and gill simply is a "yes" boy. 
I would have made Bumrah an interirm captain and Pant or KL VC. Waited for Gill few more series before he is handed over captaincy. 
 

[lemsip]

Apart from anything else, anyone can see Gill still has glaring technical issues that the IPL jamboree can mask but cannot hide. After playing in the side for so long he still plays with crossed legs across his pads and will be a sitting duck on any non patta track against any international quality attack - that is why he averages 35 after all. He hasn't fixed the fundamental issues so cannot expect the outcome to be any diffferent. He may have a more torrid time than Kohli did on some of his tours of England

Edited May 31, 2025 by lemsip