zen Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Nothing wrong if he thinks data (as in stats) is secondary. Even Ashish Nehra is supposed to be like that. If you know your domain, you can see what is in front for you, pattern match it (a type of data), look at your own situation, and take a decision. Sometimes “data” says bat second but based on how the players are performing and feel more comfortable doing, you may feel like the team should bat first, and if so that is fine. Sometimes, you may want to bat first but there is a high chance of tons of dew coming in so you change your plan. rollingstoned and tapandrun 2
Popular Post kosingh Posted March 1 Popular Post Posted March 1 (edited) There are analytical minds who do believe in data (Ashwin). There are analytical minds who don't believe in data (Warne). There are unanalytical minds who do believe in data (most English cricketers). And there are unanalytical minds who don't believe in data (Gambhir). Edited March 1 by kosingh speedster, Lord, Norman and 13 others 15 1
Ultimate_Game Posted March 1 Posted March 1 It's one thing to use your gut-feel or certain anecdotal evidence to complement data, but to say that you don't "believe" in data is idiotic. This statement is something I would expect to come from padosiland instead of our coach. Data is irrefutable and all fact-based. I can understand analyzing data to help with decision-making but to totally ignore data and analytics is laughable. I really hope we move away from Gambhir after this tourney and also from SKY as captain. Get in a new coach and captain (Iyer) and get in players like Jaiswal, Parag, Raghuvanshi, Vipraj etc. in the mix. BacktoCricaddict and IndianRenegade 1 1
vvvslaxman Posted March 1 Posted March 1 If Data is over-rated why did Washington sundar play against SA instead of Axar? That was sure based on data. Manucrick, Gollum and Ultimate_Game 1 2
kosingh Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Sounds like a school level cricket coach from the 1990s: you need 4 D's in cricket and data is not one of those. Determination, direction, drive, decision making. That breed of lazy thinkers is mostly gone from all levels of cricket. Well, almost... nevada 1
Lord Posted March 1 Posted March 1 7 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: It's one thing to use your gut-feel or certain anecdotal evidence to complement data, but to say that you don't "believe" in data is idiotic. This statement is something I would expect to come from padosiland instead of our coach. Data is irrefutable and all fact-based. I can understand analyzing data to help with decision-making but to totally ignore data and analytics is laughable. I really hope we move away from Gambhir after this tourney and also from SKY as captain. Get in a new coach and captain (Iyer) and get in players like Jaiswal, Parag, Raghuvanshi, Vipraj etc. in the mix. Not happening. We are winning the WC. SKY might go later
Ultimate_Game Posted March 1 Posted March 1 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Lord said: Not happening. We are winning the WC. SKY might go later Even if we win the WC Gambhir has to go. You want your coach to be open-minded, flexible and to get insights from data. Stating you don't believe in data is moronic. Also, the way he derailed the team by bringing in Gill at the last minute, or by pushing Sundar over Axar itself calls for him to be kicked out. I still can't believe he pushed for Gill in T20s and thinks Sundar is a better T20 player than Axar! Edited March 1 by Ultimate_Game Lord 1
bowl_out Posted March 1 Posted March 1 22 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: If Data is over-rated why did Washington sundar play against SA instead of Axar? That was sure based on data. That was based on Gambo intuition. No wonder it failed vvvslaxman and Ultimate_Game 2
putrevus Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Cannot wait for this bozo to be kicked out. The team is winning overcoming this bozo’s mistakes. Manucrick and Gollum 2
The Realist Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Gambhir: I don't really believe in fielding. I feel catching is overrated. Manucrick, putrevus, sorak and 7 others 9 1
Ravi_Shastri Posted March 2 Posted March 2 The “matchup” guys got their arses burnt in this wc.. lovely to see
Ultimate_Game Posted March 2 Posted March 2 28 minutes ago, Ravi_Shastri said: The “matchup” guys got their arses burnt in this wc.. lovely to see Not really. It has worked against India. Every half-decent off spinner has troubled our lefties at the top. And when we brought in a right-hander at the top in Samson to counter the tactic, it worked! I would say that would mean the matchup theory did indeed work against us and we had to counter it with Samson. tapandrun and New guy 2
Number Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) Patriotic sentiment and Martyr spirit works better than data as per GG. Isko koi soldier training academy me coach banao Edited March 3 by Number Ultimate_Game 1
tapandrun Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) Nothing new all Intnl players says this, large part of it because alot of is pure garbage for them. As an analyst you need to interpret that in cricketing language to cricketer turned coach, intnl players know what works whats does not work its just that 5-10% that they need to know about and sometimes these data just transpire to just number to them. A non-intnl cricket coach or a career coach or some1 who has not played much at top level tuned coach by all the course take this data alot seriously, because some of that is v.new to them. These days all the coaches uses all the data and analysis available to them , most teams these days are run from back-room. Every team rely on that may be 5%. Example if data says balls turn 5 degrees on certain venue, what does that mean a player would know it turns more than other venues the number 4 degree or 5 degrees does not matter what matters is some1 tell a simple finger spinner would be as good as some top level wrist spinner at such venue. Edited March 2 by tapandrun rollingstoned 1
Ultimate_Game Posted March 2 Posted March 2 7 minutes ago, Number said: Patriotic sentiment and Martyr spirit is works better than data as per GG. Isko koi soldier training academy me coach banao Reminds me of Pak team's army training full of jazba and junoon Number 1
Ultimate_Game Posted March 2 Posted March 2 And matchups are important. A fool would ignore the stat which shows Abhishek goes at a SR of around 100 against spinners this WC instead of scoring at around 200 against pacers. Or that SKY's scoring zone is in the fine leg area. Or that certain batters struggle against left arm spinners (or leg spin) but can hammer off spinners. This gives you valuable insight on how to plan against a team and a batting lineup. I doubt any team ignores these insights.
rollingstoned Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Bs, all this match up nonsense we are seeing along with batting order changes is data in play. He probably means something else.
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