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9 minutes ago, Shunya said:

The fans of dhoni hating pant is itself a imaginary story created by haters because they wanted to release their frustation which was getting accumulated after so many days of Dhoni and his team performing better than what these haters wanted. There is no hate for Pant. 

 And what you call nitpicking on technique of a youngster. Why should anyone not allow to do that? What is wrong in saying Pant is/was not so good on offside. As you said, even Dhoni has no technique on off side. He was a hack on offside. Rarely you will see Dhoni hitting frontfoot drives or proper square cuts. Pant is very similar to that. He will have it tough against international bowlers, but like Dhoni he has the power game to overcome those glitches in technique. Why is this being labelled as hate and why are Dhoni fans being labelled/hated for that? So when I say Dhoni is a hack on offside, am I hating on Dhoni too? lol

 

there is absolutely hate for pant and actions of people say lot more than words to cover it up.

 

i dont want to get into technique observations with anyone as i dont even agree that pant is weak on offside. pant easily is able to transfer weight into front foot and hit through. you guys are completely ignoring how is playing and have created this imaginary weakness while he has easily hit sixes over cover in this tournament alone! even last game he opened his scoring with 2 squarecuts .

he has hit boundaries on offside from long on to behind keeper.

 

again that is besides the point and just my opinion. you dont call youngster hack as response to question of him being selected into side and nitpick technique when person who is replacing never had great technique to begin with.

 

you are not replacing dravid at number 3 before touring england in early summer you are talking about replacing dhoni with kid who is playing beautifully for his age in format he has succeeded and replacing dhoni in international t20 where he has been abysmal and thats a fact.

 

TLDR since i dont want to repeat myself is next post..i disagree about his technique but that does not even matter and no you dont nitpick technique of player as excuse which majority of dhoni fans i have talked to are doing as excuse for not selecting him..you wont find more ready 20 year old batsman for t20 in world without playing internationally so he deserves to be selected and replace cricketer who has done badly in this format. 

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also i have to say its very very stupid to call dhoni hack on offside and makes me question if you are just saying that just to justify people calling pant a hack.

 

dhoni hits almost half the runs on offside and if he is hack at anything its in test matches against quality quicks away but even that is forgiven since he is a wicket keeper.

 

also sorry for editing but more i read your comment more i disagree about technique and since its not important to discussion i wanted to add at end just for fun.

 

pant plays nothing like dhoni .dhoni is predominately bottom handed players with most of power being generated with his right bottom hand. even his shots on offside are mostly nudged controlled with bottom hand.

 

pant on other hand has amazing bat swing with high bat lift and he has hit some sixes in this tournament where his bottom hand came off and he powered with his top hand.

 

same way he hits the ball on offside with his top hand and its beautiful swing of bat... i just do not see the comparison..if anything pant has issue of hitting ball too hard and losing balance but at point of contact he is always balanced and has solid base but after that he sometimes collapses which i think he has been working on as tournament progressed ( we can thank ponting i guess )

 

just look at way dhoni hits sixes (helicopter shot ) its bottom handed powered while look at way pant hit bhuvi with just his swing of bat (top hand powered ) this false equivalency is completely wrong but still irrelevant to main discussion.

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47 minutes ago, Shunya said:

So when I say Dhoni is a hack on offside, am I hating on Dhoni too? lol

 

You think Dhoni is a hack? Why so?

 

I mean, he is unorthodox and struggles in conditions not conducive to bottom-hand heavy technique but that doesn't make him a hack imo. 

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24 minutes ago, Old guy said:

there is absolutely hate for pant and actions of people say lot more than words to cover it up.

 

i dont want to get into technique observations with anyone as i dont even agree that pant is weak on offside. pant easily is able to transfer weight into front foot and hit through. you guys are completely ignoring how is playing and have created this imaginary weakness while he has easily hit sixes over cover in this tournament alone! even last game he opened his scoring with 2 squarecuts .

he has hit boundaries on offside from long on to behind keeper.

 

again that is besides the point and just my opinion. you dont call youngster hack as response to question of him being selected into side and nitpick technique when person who is replacing never had great technique to begin with.

 

you are not replacing dravid at number 3 before touring england in early summer you are talking about replacing dhoni with kid who is playing beautifully for his age in format he has succeeded and replacing dhoni in international t20 where he has been abysmal and thats a fact.

 

TLDR since i dont want to repeat myself is next post..i disagree about his technique but that does not even matter and no you dont nitpick technique of player as excuse which majority of dhoni fans i have talked to are doing as excuse for not selecting him..you wont find more ready 20 year old batsman for t20 in world without playing internationally so he deserves to be selected and replace cricketer who has done badly in this format. 

Arey yaar... what hating you are talking about? Why are you hellbent on proving that Dhoni fans hate him? Why does saying anything against Pant's technique a blasphemy all of a sudden? This is just forcing your wishful thinking that "Dhoni fans hate pant" onto everyone so inturn you can continue to hate dhoni fans. Please stop this nonsense. 

 

The technique observation is very obvious to happen because people Pant is now playing with the big boys of cricket. Let him be judged like everyone else. I can clearly see that his frontfoot does not move towards the ball, he generates power from his hands and upper body. This is what I have observed and IMO that is a technique flaw. I did not say anything like he cannot play cricket or should never get selected and all crap which you are trying to force onto Dhoni fans.

 

And I feel the same about Dhoni too. Now you are telling me I should not say that about Dhoni too. Cmon yaar. He does not have good technique for offside game and I still love what he has done for India with his limited technique. What is wrong in accepting that? I am not called a Dhoni hater for that. 

 

I dont mind that your observation about technique is different from mine. But this crap about Dhoni fans doing this and doing that is just wishful thinking of some here.

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14 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

You think Dhoni is a hack? Why so?

 

I mean, he is unorthodox and struggles in conditions not conducive to bottom-hand heavy technique but that doesn't make him a hack imo. 

Yea, so he is unorthodox as you said. He has very limited offside game. I infact am in admiration that with such limited technique he has done so much at international level. And to praise him for that, I am a Dhoni chamcha.

 

If you have a problem with word "Hack", fine dont call him a "hack" and lets use sophisticated words like unorthodox, etc. I thought sophisticated discussions are not enjoyed by people here. So Dhoni is called hack by lot of people here, why cant Pant be a hack. That is bone of contention for everything it seems in this thread and Dhoni fans are being singled out as some sort of witch-hunting happening.

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1 minute ago, Shunya said:

Arey yaar... what hating you are talking about? Why are you hellbent on proving that Dhoni fans hate him? Why does saying anything against Pant's technique a blasphemy all of a sudden? This is just forcing your wishful thinking that "Dhoni fans hate pant" onto everyone so inturn you can continue to hate dhoni fans. Please stop this nonsense. 

  

The technique observation is very obvious to happen because people Pant is now playing with the big boys of cricket. Let him be judged like everyone else. I can clearly see that his frontfoot does not move towards the ball, he generates power from his hands and upper body. This is what I have observed and IMO that is a technique flaw. I did not say anything like he cannot play cricket or should never get selected and all crap which you are trying to force onto Dhoni fans.

 

And I feel the same about Dhoni too. Now you are telling me I should not say that about Dhoni too. Cmon yaar. He does not have good technique for offside game and I still love what he has done for India with his limited technique. What is wrong in accepting that? I am not called a Dhoni hater for that. 

  

I dont mind that your observation about technique is different from mine. But this crap about Dhoni fans doing this and doing that is just wishful thinking of some here.

i am not proving anything i have just noticed a trend which many other people on this forum have and thats why this thread was created (keep in mind i am not even active here much so its purely my observation from reading this forum )

 

again you can nitpick technique all you want and i have already explained enough but for ffs dude stop calling players hack who have scored 10k runs.

maybe its your vocabulary but word hack can never describe cricketer like dhoni and i am starting to think this is your problem.

no one has perfect technique in world but hacks are people who fail not who are atg in format. i call manish pandey hack even though going by your criteria he has 10 times better technique than dhoni.

 

rishabh pant is not hack .rishabh pant is prodigy who has to learn few things and improve certain aspects(edging ball on off stump in england did not make kohli a hack!he just as young player worked on it). now you can argue if he is ready for international cricket or not and we can have civil discussion and i can show you countless examples of him hitting ball cleanly on offside but like i said before thats is irrelevant as he deserves to be selected anyway after his performances and number 5 in t20 does not need text book footwork of test opener otherwise ms dhoni would have never played cricket for india. 

 

also in order to improve more he needs to play at higher level as he is already bossing this level and he will only learn his limitations when playing for india and will only improve after that. kohli would have never improved if we just saw his minor limitations while discussing criteria for selection in indian instead we saw positives and he worked on his limitations and look where he is now.

i will repeat again that you will not find better more developed 20 year old batsman (not even gonna bring keeping) for t20 in entire world unless he has played for years in international level. 

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7 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Yea, so he is unorthodox as you said. He has very limited offside game. I infact am in admiration that with such limited technique he has done so much at international level. And to praise him for that, I am a Dhoni chamcha.

 

If you have a problem with word "Hack", fine dont call him a "hack" and lets use sophisticated words like unorthodox, etc. I thought sophisticated discussions are not enjoyed by people here. So Dhoni is called hack by lot of people here, why cant Pant be a hack. That is bone of contention for everything it seems in this thread and Dhoni fans are being singled out as some sort of witch-hunting happening.

so you dont really agree dhoni is hack and are just calling pant hack because people call dhoni hack ? 

 

you care so much about what other people say about dhoni and you dont like it but you end up doing same things to others..dont you see problem in this? you are not solving anything here but now doing mental gymnastic to justify calling a 20 year old a hack just because you are pissed someone else called your favourite cricketer a hack .

 

half the time your comment is talking about what others did to justify what you are saying or about to say while completely ignoring you are doing the exact same thing which pisses you off so much.

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18 minutes ago, Old guy said:

so you dont really agree dhoni is hack and are just calling pant hack because people call dhoni hack ? 

 

you care so much about what other people say about dhoni and you dont like it but you end up doing same things to others..dont you see problem in this? you are not solving anything here but now doing mental gymnastic to justify calling a 20 year old a hack just because you are pissed someone else called your favourite cricketer a hack .

 

half the time your comment is talking about what others did to justify what you are saying or about to say while completely ignoring you are doing the exact same thing which pisses you off so much.

O bhai... :wall: bas karo yeh mindfack and judgements being passed...

Very simple, the standards set by people here is not very high. People enjoy this type of language, they encourage this type of language, basically most of them just want hate here. And I am far far civil, infact I do not even post much. This thread is filled with cheap shots from all haters and infact this forum is filled with far bigger abuses, fixing allegations, etc just because they dont like a certain player. People write essays after essays in each thread repeating those lies and others enjoy seeing it. Jab keechad hi keechad ho tumhare aaju baaju toh tumhare haath bhi thode gande ho hi jaate hai. Start cleaning the keechad or atleast discourage it if you have power to do so instead of blaming people who are doing nothing but opposing it. So that hypocracy is pissing me off. 

 

And no, I am not calling Pant a hack because Dhoni is a hack. :rofl: I infact have not even used that word for him before today. But yes, I do feel he is not technically strong on offside and he might have issue at international level with that especially Test cricket. And I am not saying that is the reason for Pant to not play or that he would not succeed. I wish he does succeed even more than Dhoni, if Dhoni could do so much with little technique I am sure he can as well.

 

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3 minutes ago, Shunya said:

O bhai... :wall: bas karo yeh mindfack and judgements being passed...

Very simple, the standards set by people here is not very high. People enjoy this type of language, they encourage this type of language, basically most of them just want hate here. And I am far far civil, infact I do not even post much. This thread is filled with cheap shots from all haters and infact this forum is filled with far bigger abuses, fixing allegations, etc just because they dont like a certain player. People write essays after essays in each thread repeating those lies and others enjoy seeing it. Jab keechad hi keechad ho tumhare aaju baaju toh tumhare haath bhi thode gande ho hi jaate hai. Start cleaning the keechad or atleast discourage it if you have power to do so instead of blaming people who are doing nothing but opposing it. So that hypocracy is pissing me off. 

  

And no, I am not calling Pant a hack because Dhoni is a hack. :rofl: I infact have not even used that word for him before today. But yes, I do feel he is not technically strong on offside and he might have issue at international level with that especially Test cricket. And I am not saying that is the reason for Pant to not play or that he would not succeed. I wish he does succeed even more than Dhoni, if Dhoni could do so much with little technique I am sure he can as well.

 

i have not read such stuff maybe cos i am inactive but seriously best to ignore such idiots who call indian legend a fixer but for *s sake dont bring youngsters into this crap.

honestly i find this entire leg side hack agenda against pant disgusting and how it gained traction while completely ignoring whats happening on field and i see clear correlation with people talking about dhoni and people bringing this up.

 

it is disgusting double agenda of people and people being idiots and disrespecting dhoni does not justify this.

what most of you people did was not discuss technique of pant for test or call it slight issue or problem people straight up called him a hack and no you using "hack " for dhoni does not change the meaning of that word. we all know what hack means and you and i know both know it was uncalled for and based not on performance but other reasons.

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16 minutes ago, Old guy said:

i have not read such stuff maybe cos i am inactive but seriously best to ignore such idiots who call indian legend a fixer but for *s sake dont bring youngsters into this crap.

honestly i find this entire leg side hack agenda against pant disgusting and how it gained traction while completely ignoring whats happening on field and i see clear correlation with people talking about dhoni and people bringing this up.

 

it is disgusting double agenda of people and people being idiots and disrespecting dhoni does not justify this.

what most of you people did was not discuss technique of pant for test or call it slight issue or problem people straight up called him a hack and no you using "hack " for dhoni does not change the meaning of that word. we all know what hack means and you and i know both know it was uncalled for and based not on performance but other reasons.

Chal bhai...I think you and me are fighting for the same cause. No point in fighting against each other. Everyone is allowed to criticise and they already do, lets not stop all types of criticism or else there is nothing much to debate. Disagreements are necessary sometimes like i feel Pant/Dhoni are not very good on offside and you feel they are. I dont mind that.

 

But some people are only doing it out of agenda or god knows what shadyantra and yes it is disgusting. If they are allowed to abuse players and fans alike, if they are allowed make wild allegations or personal stuff/name calling fans, etc then its clear that no civil/genuine discussions will ever happen. 

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3 hours ago, Pollack said:

Bro, he just said Dhoni is a one format bully, which is true. And so was Yuvraj and Rohit is nowadays. There is a reason why Sachin, dravid etc are still regarded better than dhoni. Laxman was always underappreciated than the above mentioned because again he was a one format player.

i dnt appreciate the word bully for ATG

Calling ATG likes dhoni n yuvraj bully is disrespectful .Dhoni was a decent test player not a poor one, yuvraj wasnt but doesnt mean u call them bully. 

Dhawan is excellent in ODI but shudnt be called a bully. 

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1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

wah kya hagga hai, har baar ki tarah........................

gr8 contribution of immense knowledge on this forum:hatsoff:

Chaat le tu jo hagga hai, tujhe to aadat hai :hysterical:

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1 hour ago, Old guy said:

so you dont really agree dhoni is hack and are just calling pant hack because people call dhoni hack ? 

 

you care so much about what other people say about dhoni and you dont like it but you end up doing same things to others..dont you see problem in this? you are not solving anything here but now doing mental gymnastic to justify calling a 20 year old a hack just because you are pissed someone else called your favourite cricketer a hack .

 

half the time your comment is talking about what others did to justify what you are saying or about to say while completely ignoring you are doing the exact same thing which pisses you off so much.

That's exactly his problem and Dhoni bhakt's problems. Even when csk is doing well and dhoni is playing well, he will get excited and make comments like "go and die haters" just because someone has different opinion about dhoni they all are haters. He likes Dhoni good  for him enjoy his inning and can have giggle during his sleep thinking about it , why worry about others who have different opinion.

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1 hour ago, raki05 said:

That's exactly his problem and Dhoni bhakt's problems. Even when csk is doing well and dhoni is playing well, he will get excited and make comments like "go and die haters" just because someone has different opinion about dhoni they all are haters. He likes Dhoni good  for him enjoy his inning and can have giggle during his sleep thinking about it , why worry about others who have different opinion.

Oh I see, so that is why you are triggered and getting personal in every post. 

Atleast follow what you preach, why worry about others who have different opinion then yours. :phehe:

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4 hours ago, Garuda said:

He is probably an angry 5'1 midget. He resorts to name calling when cornered in an argument. He is also low on wit and humor so he used same words like phateechar :laugh:. He is the very definition of a keyboard warrior :hysterical:. Please take it easy on him.

:hysterical: show some mercy.. You ll eat that midget alive or what:phehe:

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1 hour ago, Shunya said:

Oh I see, so that is why you are triggered and getting personal in every post. 

Atleast follow what you preach, why worry about others who have different opinion then yours. :phehe:

What personal ,remember who got triggered and personal last time first, mod has to delete the post.Also why pull someone unnecessarily if you think they are heater and can give you hard time :hysterical:.

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6 hours ago, Shunya said:

Yea, so he is unorthodox as you said. He has very limited offside game. I infact am in admiration that with such limited technique he has done so much at international level. And to praise him for that, I am a Dhoni chamcha.

You're not called a Dhoni chamcha for simply being in awe of his batting accomplishments. There are other reasons why you and many others on this forum are classified as his chamchas.

 

Also, weren't you the one who was calling critics of Dhoni as 'ch**tiyon ki toli' a few days back? If you don't like name-calling then don't do it yourself. If people go out of hand in their posts, please report them. Makes the admin's/mod's jobs easier.

 

6 hours ago, Shunya said:

If you have a problem with word "Hack", fine dont call him a "hack" and lets use sophisticated words like unorthodox, etc. 

I don't have a problem with the word. All I said was that imo it would be incorrect to call Dhoni a hack, considering his record. 

 

6 hours ago, Shunya said:

I thought sophisticated discussions are not enjoyed by people here. 

Correct. This is the IPL sub-forum and the season is ongoing. IPL is not associated with sophistication. It's just pure tamaasha.

 

6 hours ago, Shunya said:

So Dhoni is called hack by lot of people here, why cant Pant be a hack. 

Is that honestly your line of reasoning for calling Pant a hack? 

 

Look, this is a forum where people express their opinion. If people don't want to agree with you, they simply won't and vice versa.

 

No need to raise a hue and cry about people disagreeing with your opinion. Nobody's opinion is sacrosanct. 

 

6 hours ago, Shunya said:

That is bone of contention for everything it seems in this thread and Dhoni fans are being singled out as some sort of witch-hunting happening.

No it isn't. The bone of contention here is the attitude of a certain set of posters towards a particular player. The joy they take in said player's failures and misery. This is an observation made by many posters and if you want, you can confirm this with the OP. 

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20 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

You're not called a Dhoni chamcha for simply being in awe of his batting accomplishments. There are other reasons why you and many others on this forum are classified as his chamchas.

So who is a fan and who is a chamcha? What definition do u follow? Please enlighten why I am a chamcha as per your reasoning.

23 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

Also, weren't you the one who was calling critics of Dhoni as 'ch**tiyon ki toli' a few days back? If you don't like name-calling then don't do it yourself. If people go out of hand in their posts, please report them. Makes the admin's/mod's jobs easier.

Why dont you read all of discussions as well and find out who says what to whom. Have heard plenty of worse thing than CKT. I was not even posting much earlier. As soon as you post anything that is against the mob and give it back to those haters in their own language, people become butthurt. Do you just want Dhoni fans to just take all abuse and agree with everything that is written here? Might as well just say it that you wont tolerate anything good about Dhoni and get rid of the neutrality which everyone is trying to fake.

 

1 hour ago, jalebi_bhai said:

I don't have a problem with the word. All I said was that imo it would be incorrect to call Dhoni a hack, considering his record. 

Just a hack on offside because of obvious weakness. Not a complete hack. And yes in sophisticated terms as you said unorthodox.

 

1 hour ago, jalebi_bhai said:

Correct. This is the IPL sub-forum and the season is ongoing. IPL is not associated with sophistication. It's just pure tamaasha.

Look, this is a forum where people express their opinion. If people don't want to agree with you, they simply won't and vice versa.

No need to raise a hue and cry about people disagreeing with your opinion. Nobody's opinion is sacrosanct. 

I did not even start this thread. I am merely responding with my views related to what is being posted here. I am just stating that people here want to listen to only one thing - anti-dhoni comments and hence I agreed with another poster on the terminology Anti-Dhoni forum. Why is this called hue and cry? You do not agree with it, its okay. I am not asking everyone to agree with me. 

 

1 hour ago, jalebi_bhai said:

No it isn't. The bone of contention here is the attitude of a certain set of posters towards a particular player. The joy they take in said player's failures and misery. This is an observation made by many posters and if you want, you can confirm this with the OP. 

You do know there are far greater number of people who take joy in Dhoni's failure and misery. Even to an extent of supporting opposition and gathering Anti-India support on this very site. Rather people do not want to hear the same about other players hence they keep creating this theories that Dhoni fans hate so and so players. So everyone can continue to hit the punching bag of ICF. My point was simple, if you allow Dhoni criticisms to the level that all kinds of cheap shots are allowed as evident from this thread or 100s of other threads around, than calling someone hack on offside is way mild and far far from hate. Its as genuine as it can be and should not be a problem for anyone including Pant fanboys. Why does it turn into Dhoni fans hating pant unless there is some type of propaganda happening.

 

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4 hours ago, Shunya said:

So who is a fan and who is a chamcha? What definition do u follow? Please enlighten why I am a chamcha as per your reasoning.

In the context of sportspersons:

 

A Fan:

1. An enthusiastic supporter, often a sincere well-wisher of a sportsperson/s who is honest enough to objectively recognize positve-negative traits, strengths-weaknesses and success-failures of his favourite sportsperson/s.  

 

A Chamcha:

1. A blind suppporter of a sportsperson who lacks objectivity while recognizing positve-negative traits, strengths-weaknesses and success-failures. Will try to spin negatives into positives, weaknesses into strengths and failures into successes.

2. Actively indulges in glory hunting on behalf of their favourite/s, giving undeserved credit and absolving them off deserved blame.

3. Displays an intense dislike for anybody who is considered a potential rival/replacement/threat to their favourite's position,status and legacy. Constant jibes and potshots accompany these sentiments.

 

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What makes you a Dhoni chamcha? 

I remember you once telling me that Dhoni had to continue as Test captain, despite his repeated overseas captaincy failures, in order to shield the team from the losses we were, not had, but were going to incur under his captaincy....all so that the next captain could reap the benefits in the future.

 

As per you, defeat was a foregone conclusion and Dhoni couldn't do anything besides supposedly 'shielding' (whatever that's supposed to mean) the team. No point trying to win in the present...eh? You even tried to defend your argument by using some dialogue from the Batman trilogy.

 

Typical chamchagiri from you for the following reasons:

1. Blind support and defense for the indefensible as well as trying to spin a massive failure into an act of virtue (point number 1).

2. Absolving Dhoni of any blame for the losses (point number 2). 

 

That was just one instance and post btw. I'm sure other posters have other examples of your Dhoni chamchagiri.

 

4 hours ago, Shunya said:

Why dont you read all of discussions as well and find out who says what to whom. Have heard plenty of worse thing than CKT. I was not even posting much earlier. As soon as you post anything that is against the mob and give it back to those haters in their own language, people become butthurt. 

Like what? Also, don't try to use others' misbehaviour to rationalize your own.

 

And what is this mob you speak of? Don't tell me that a bunch of guys troll voting your posts = a mob.

 

4 hours ago, Shunya said:

Do you just want Dhoni fans to just take all abuse and agree with everything that is written here? Might as well just say it that you wont tolerate anything good about Dhoni and get rid of the neutrality which everyone is trying to fake.

No, we want you to use the report button so that we can take action against the abusive posts.

 

If you want to take matters into your own hands and give it back, then prepare to be reprimanded.

 

4 hours ago, Shunya said:

I did not even start this thread. I am merely responding with my views related to what is being posted here. I am just stating that people here want to listen to only one thing - anti-dhoni comments and hence I agreed with another poster on the terminology Anti-Dhoni forum. Why is this called hue and cry? You do not agree with it, its okay. I am not asking everyone to agree with me. 

The thread was started on the basis of an observation made by the OP. It isn't neccessarily Dhoni that is being criticized here, it is his chamchas. 

 

Also, it is called hue and cry because you're accusing nearly the entire forum of having an agenda simply because Dhoni and his chamchas, like yourself, are getting criticized by a few posters, and you guys can't take it.  

 

4 hours ago, Shunya said:

You do know there are far greater number of people who take joy in Dhoni's failure and misery Even to an extent of supporting opposition and gathering Anti-India support on this very site. 

Start a thread about it and call them out like @Trichromatic has in this thread.

 

4 hours ago, Shunya said:

Rather people do not want to hear the same about other players hence they keep creating this theories that Dhoni fans hate so and so players. So everyone can continue to hit the punching bag of ICF. 

 

They're not theories but well founded observations on the forum. Dhoni chamchas are the biggest exponents of point number 3 in my definition of chamchas. Taking jibes and potshots at others and then crying and complaining when they get the same dose back in kind.

 

4 hours ago, Shunya said:

My point was simple, if you allow Dhoni criticisms to the level that all kinds of cheap shots are allowed as evident from this thread or 100s of other threads around, than calling someone hack on offside is way mild and far far from hate. Its as genuine as it can be and should not be a problem for anyone including Pant fanboys. Why does it turn into Dhoni fans hating pant unless there is some type of propaganda happening.

Again, it's not propaganda or a theory but a well founded observation made by posters. Deal with it. 

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11 hours ago, velu said:

bit consfused about who is trolling whom :confused:

its too late to go through the thread :yawn:

 

anyway well done boys :yess:

I'll remove your confusion, your chamcha gang is getting owned left, right and center :laugh:

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13 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

In the context of sportspersons:

 

A Fan:

1. An enthusiastic supporter, often a sincere well-wisher of a sportsperson/s who is honest enough to objectively recognize positve-negative traits, strengths-weaknesses and success-failures of his favourite sportsperson/s.  

 

A Chamcha:

1. A blind suppporter of a sportsperson who lacks objectivity while recognizing positve-negative traits, strengths-weaknesses and success-failures. Will try to spin negatives into positives, weaknesses into strengths and failures into successes.

 2. Actively indulges in glory hunting on behalf of their favourite/s, giving undeserved credit and absolving them off deserved blame.

3. Displays an intense dislike for anybody who is considered a potential rival/replacement/threat to their favourite's position,status and legacy. Constant jibes and potshots accompany these sentiments.

 

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What makes you a Dhoni chamcha? 

I remember you once telling me that Dhoni had to continue as Test captain, despite his repeated overseas captaincy failures, in order to shield the team from the losses we were, not had, but were going to incur under his captaincy....all so that the next captain could reap the benefits in the future.

 

As per you, defeat was a foregone conclusion and Dhoni couldn't do anything besides supposedly 'shielding' (whatever that's supposed to mean) the team. No point trying to win in the present...eh? You even tried to defend your argument by using some dialogue from the Batman trilogy.

 

Typical chamchagiri from you for the following reasons:

1. Blind support and defense for the indefensible as well as trying to spin a massive failure into an act of virtue (point number 1).

 2. Absolving Dhoni of any blame for the losses (point number 2). 

  

That was just one instance and post btw. I'm sure other posters have other examples of your Dhoni chamchagiri.

  

 Like what? Also, don't try to use others' misbehaviour to rationalize your own.

  

And what is this mob you speak of? Don't tell me that a bunch of guys troll voting your posts = a mob.

 

No, we want you to use the report button so that we can take action against the abusive posts.

  

If you want to take matters into your own hands and give it back, then prepare to be reprimanded.

  

 The thread was started on the basis of an observation made by the OP. It isn't neccessarily Dhoni that is being criticized here, it is his chamchas. 

 

 Also, it is called hue and cry because you're accusing nearly the entire forum of having an agenda simply because Dhoni and his chamchas, like yourself, are getting criticized by a few posters, and you guys can't take it.  

  

Start a thread about it and call them out like @Trichromatic has in this thread.

 

 

They're not theories but well founded observations on the forum. Dhoni chamchas are the biggest exponents of point number 3 in my definition of chamchas. Taking jibes and potshots at others and then crying and complaining when they get the same dose back in kind.

 

Again, it's not propaganda or a theory but a well founded observation made by posters. Deal with it. 

Wow, thanks for writing all that. I think I agree with most of what you wrote about the definition. I think now we can define everyone as a chamcha of someone or the other including Pant chamchas as well.

 

I dont agree with your judgement about me, but I think its okay that is your opinion. Atleast you write well and in civil manner, so thats all good. I am a Dhoni fan and I shall remain one until I wish. If you still want to continue with labelling so it becomes convenient/justified for you to take more jibes and potshots, then that is exactly the agenda/propaganda that I was talking about.

 

The discussion about Dhoni retiring in Test matches that you are referring to is way misconstrued. lol I dont want to prove Dhoni is a great Test captain. He is good Test Captain and thats fine. I as a fan am more interested in results. If Virat Kohli has better results than him, than there is nothing wrong in saying Virat is a better captain. And I am not even forcing my opinion on you. About Dhoni retiring, why is it wrong to believe that he or management would have planned in advance to give the new captain the cushion of home season and would have planned his retirement accordingly. Just because you dont like it, it becomes wrong and chamchagiri? You or me both does not have access to the truth. I am not forcing my theories on you, why are you forcing yours by saying look this is a chamcha n stuff? That is hypocritical, dont you feel? This is why I used the word agenda/propaganda in earlier posts because I felt it that way. And guess what I did not even start the thread calling anyone or calling out hypocracy of haters, I am merely responding here and still you are trying to shut me down. 

 

And I am sorry I will use other's misbehavior to rationalize my own. Or else there is no way you can post anything here amidst all the hate. Just like you said, you and others like to give same dose of treatments to dhoni fans, than there is no other option but to respond in same manner. I will report as much as I can, than you will only come and say that you guys report everything and you need to be thickskinned and not be serious and chin up and enjoy the trolling, etc. I can stop posting alltogether, if you wish. I am anyhow not very good at writing big responses. I only started posting more about Dhoni because I thought I will bring some balance to the anti-dhoni perception here or else I just enjoy the other stuff. If you or the people here do not want it, probably I will stop sooner or later or will be reprimanded/banned as you said.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, velu said:

 

nah .. we dont have any emotions , so in the end you guys are getting owned :phehe:

Dhoni  fan and no emotions???  Impossible, your lying, you can't be a cricket/dhoni fan without emotions unless you are software like this Bot @Rasgulla a Bot :phehe:

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17 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

In the context of sportspersons:

 

A Fan:

1. An enthusiastic supporter, often a sincere well-wisher of a sportsperson/s who is honest enough to objectively recognize positve-negative traits, strengths-weaknesses and success-failures of his favourite sportsperson/s.  

 

A Chamcha:

1. A blind suppporter of a sportsperson who lacks objectivity while recognizing positve-negative traits, strengths-weaknesses and success-failures. Will try to spin negatives into positives, weaknesses into strengths and failures into successes.

2. Actively indulges in glory hunting on behalf of their favourite/s, giving undeserved credit and absolving them off deserved blame.

3. Displays an intense dislike for anybody who is considered a potential rival/replacement/threat to their favourite's position,status and legacy. Constant jibes and potshots accompany these sentiments.

 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

What makes you a Dhoni chamcha? 

I remember you once telling me that Dhoni had to continue as Test captain, despite his repeated overseas captaincy failures, in order to shield the team from the losses we were, not had, but were going to incur under his captaincy....all so that the next captain could reap the benefits in the future.

 

As per you, defeat was a foregone conclusion and Dhoni couldn't do anything besides supposedly 'shielding' (whatever that's supposed to mean) the team. No point trying to win in the present...eh? You even tried to defend your argument by using some dialogue from the Batman trilogy.

 

Typical chamchagiri from you for the following reasons:

1. Blind support and defense for the indefensible as well as trying to spin a massive failure into an act of virtue (point number 1).

2. Absolving Dhoni of any blame for the losses (point number 2). 

 

That was just one instance and post btw. I'm sure other posters have other examples of your Dhoni chamchagiri.

 

Like what? Also, don't try to use others' misbehaviour to rationalize your own.

 

And what is this mob you speak of? Don't tell me that a bunch of guys troll voting your posts = a mob.

 

No, we want you to use the report button so that we can take action against the abusive posts.

 

If you want to take matters into your own hands and give it back, then prepare to be reprimanded.

 

The thread was started on the basis of an observation made by the OP. It isn't neccessarily Dhoni that is being criticized here, it is his chamchas. 

 

Also, it is called hue and cry because you're accusing nearly the entire forum of having an agenda simply because Dhoni and his chamchas, like yourself, are getting criticized by a few posters, and you guys can't take it.  

 

Start a thread about it and call them out like @Trichromatic has in this thread.

 

 

They're not theories but well founded observations on the forum. Dhoni chamchas are the biggest exponents of point number 3 in my definition of chamchas. Taking jibes and potshots at others and then crying and complaining when they get the same dose back in kind.

 

Again, it's not propaganda or a theory but a well founded observation made by posters. Deal with it. 

Well Said!!! hope sanity prevails and he realized that people criticize dhoni because he is active player

 

17 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

In the context of sportspersons:

 

A Fan:

1. An enthusiastic supporter, often a sincere well-wisher of a sportsperson/s who is honest enough to objectively recognize positve-negative traits, strengths-weaknesses and success-failures of his favourite sportsperson/s.  

 

A Chamcha:

1. A blind suppporter of a sportsperson who lacks objectivity while recognizing positve-negative traits, strengths-weaknesses and success-failures. Will try to spin negatives into positives, weaknesses into strengths and failures into successes.

2. Actively indulges in glory hunting on behalf of their favourite/s, giving undeserved credit and absolving them off deserved blame.

3. Displays an intense dislike for anybody who is considered a potential rival/replacement/threat to their favourite's position,status and legacy. Constant jibes and potshots accompany these sentiments.

 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

What makes you a Dhoni chamcha? 

I remember you once telling me that Dhoni had to continue as Test captain, despite his repeated overseas captaincy failures, in order to shield the team from the losses we were, not had, but were going to incur under his captaincy....all so that the next captain could reap the benefits in the future.

 

As per you, defeat was a foregone conclusion and Dhoni couldn't do anything besides supposedly 'shielding' (whatever that's supposed to mean) the team. No point trying to win in the present...eh? You even tried to defend your argument by using some dialogue from the Batman trilogy.

 

Typical chamchagiri from you for the following reasons:

1. Blind support and defense for the indefensible as well as trying to spin a massive failure into an act of virtue (point number 1).

2. Absolving Dhoni of any blame for the losses (point number 2). 

 

That was just one instance and post btw. I'm sure other posters have other examples of your Dhoni chamchagiri.

 

Like what? Also, don't try to use others' misbehaviour to rationalize your own.

 

And what is this mob you speak of? Don't tell me that a bunch of guys troll voting your posts = a mob.

 

No, we want you to use the report button so that we can take action against the abusive posts.

 

If you want to take matters into your own hands and give it back, then prepare to be reprimanded.

 

The thread was started on the basis of an observation made by the OP. It isn't neccessarily Dhoni that is being criticized here, it is his chamchas. 

 

Also, it is called hue and cry because you're accusing nearly the entire forum of having an agenda simply because Dhoni and his chamchas, like yourself, are getting criticized by a few posters, and you guys can't take it.  

 

Start a thread about it and call them out like @Trichromatic has in this thread.

 

 

They're not theories but well founded observations on the forum. Dhoni chamchas are the biggest exponents of point number 3 in my definition of chamchas. Taking jibes and potshots at others and then crying and complaining when they get the same dose back in kind.

 

Again, it's not propaganda or a theory but a well founded observation made by posters. Deal with it. 

Well Said!! Hope Sanity prevails from here on.

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6 hours ago, Shunya said:

I think now we can define everyone as a chamcha of someone or the other including Pant chamchas as well.

Not really. If you bother searching, there are posters who are balanced in their opinions about players.  

 

Problem with chamchas is that they feel everyone who criticizes their favourite, even if the criticism is valid, is either a hater or a chamcha of another player. 

 

6 hours ago, Shunya said:

I dont agree with your judgement about me, but I think its okay that is your opinion. Atleast you write well and in civil manner, so thats all good. I am a Dhoni fan and I shall remain one until I wish. If you still want to continue with labelling so it becomes convenient/justified for you to take more jibes and potshots, then that is exactly the agenda/propaganda that I was talking about.

You asked me why I think you're a chamcha and I gave you a reason. No need to label every opinion that you find uncomfortable as propaganda. 

 

6 hours ago, Shunya said:

The discussion about Dhoni retiring in Test matches that you are referring to is way misconstrued. lol I dont want to prove Dhoni is a great Test captain. He is good Test Captain and thats fine. I as a fan am more interested in results. If Virat Kohli has better results than him, than there is nothing wrong in saying Virat is a better captain. And I am not even forcing my opinion on you. About Dhoni retiring, why is it wrong to believe that he or management would have planned in advance to give the new captain the cushion of home season and would have planned his retirement accordingly. Just because you dont like it, it becomes wrong and chamchagiri? You or me both does not have access to the truth. I am not forcing my theories on you, why are you forcing yours by saying look this is a chamcha n stuff? That is hypocritical, dont you feel? This is why I used the word agenda/propaganda in earlier posts because I felt it that way. And guess what I did not even start the thread calling anyone or calling out hypocracy of haters, I am merely responding here and still you are trying to shut me down. 

It has nothing to do with my likes or dislikes. It is wrong to believe so because it is contrary to facts. You are literally lying to yourself. 

 

Dhoni retired in the middle of an overseas tour, leaving Kohli with the task of finishing the overseas series. Australia is not home. We then played a one off match in Bangladesh. Bangladesh is not home either. We then went on to play a series in Sri Lanka. Guess what, Sri Lanka is not home as well.

 

That's 5 test matches away from home that Kohli had to captain before he actually got to lead the side at home. So much for giving the new captain the cushion of the home season to start his tenure.   

 

Also, I was referring to your justification of Dhoni's pathetic overseas captaincy, 'shielding' as you called it, as the reason for concluding you're a chamcha. Classic chamcha behaviour imo, trying to spin failure into an act of virtue.

 

6 hours ago, Shunya said:

I am not forcing my theories on you, why are you forcing yours by saying look this is a chamcha n stuff? That is hypocritical, dont you feel?

Listen, you asked me to define who a chamcha is imo and why I think you're a chamcha. I'm not forcing my theories on you. I'm replying to your question:

 

On 5/14/2018 at 8:30 PM, Shunya said:

So who is a fan and who is a chamcha? What definition do u follow? Please enlighten why I am a chamcha as per your reasoning.

Remember typing this? You asked for my opinion and I gave it to you. 

 

6 hours ago, Shunya said:

This is why I used the word agenda/propaganda in earlier posts because I felt it that way. And guess what I did not even start the thread calling anyone or calling out hypocracy of haters, I am merely responding here and still you are trying to shut me down. 

So I'm trying to shut you down by replying to your posts? Excuse me, if shutting you down was my agenda then I would just ban you.  

 

Is that what I want to do? Absolutely not.

 

6 hours ago, Shunya said:

And I am sorry I will use other's misbehavior to rationalize my own. Or else there is no way you can post anything here amidst all the hate. Just like you said, you and others like to give same dose of treatments to dhoni fans, than there is no other option but to respond in same manner. I will report as much as I can, than you will only come and say that you guys report everything and you need to be thickskinned and not be serious and chin up and enjoy the trolling, etc. I can stop posting alltogether, if you wish. I am anyhow not very good at writing big responses. I only started posting more about Dhoni because I thought I will bring some balance to the anti-dhoni perception here or else I just enjoy the other stuff. If you or the people here do not want it, probably I will stop sooner or later or will be reprimanded/banned as you said.

  Good.....and stop playing the victim card all the time while you're at it. 

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17 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

It has nothing to do with my likes or dislikes. It is wrong to believe so because it is contrary to facts. You are literally lying to yourself. 

Okay. Believe whatever you want to. Just dont call it facts, you are nowhere near facts. 

 

17 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

You asked me why I think you're a chamcha and I gave you a reason. No need to label every opinion that you find uncomfortable as propaganda. 

Right. If you deliberately continue to create labels against someone because they do not agree with your opinions, then I will call it a propaganda. 

17 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

Problem with chamchas is that they feel everyone who criticizes their favourite, even if the criticism is valid, is either a hater or a chamcha of another player. 

There is also a problem with haters. They have to create this imaginary label of chamchas/fans to justify their existence and release their frustration/hate every few days.

 

17 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

Dhoni retired in the middle of an overseas tour, leaving Kohli with the task of finishing the overseas series. Australia is not home. We then played a one off match in Bangladesh. Bangladesh is not home either. We then went on to play a series in Sri Lanka. Guess what, Sri Lanka is not home as well.

 

That's 5 test matches away from home that Kohli had to captain before he actually got to lead the side at home. So much for giving the new captain the cushion of the home season to start his tenure.

The point was the main overseas tours ended in that Australia series. But obviously you do not agree with it, so be it. Fine whatever. 

 

17 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

Also, I was referring to your justification of Dhoni's pathetic overseas captaincy, 'shielding' as you called it, as the reason for concluding you're a chamcha. Classic chamcha behaviour imo, trying to spin failure into an act of virtue.

This is just crap and lies from you now. Classic hater behaviour trying to prove an imaginary point so that you can then release your frustration on it. Nobody is shielding Dhoni's captaincy, I just said in previous post that dhoni and management must have decided to continue to till aussie tour so that a new captain can get the cushion of home tour. I never said that this shield's dhoni's captaincy blunders in those overseas tours. This is no justification of any kind, its simple damage control IMO that a new captain should get easier run of series at home instead of tough overseas tours. But just like a typical hater you would want to force your wishful thinking so you can justify your opinions and on top of it blame others to spin off. Stop manipulating this discussion as per your convenience. Cmon man, I thought you were better than this. 

 

17 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

So I'm trying to shut you down by replying to your posts? Excuse me, if shutting you down was my agenda then I would just ban you.  

Is that what I want to do? Absolutely not.

 Good.....and stop playing the victim card all the time while you're at it. 

Okay, than just ignore my posts and move on. You do not agree with me, sure fine. If calling this anti-dhoni forum is what is offending you or saying that forum has and agenda is hurting you, you just have to ignore it. I dont claim that I am 100% correct, i will be only glad if its not. I dont claim to be correct all the time. Infact you should ask the OP and all Pant chamchas to be playing the victim card. Nobody hates pant, but they still want to abuse others using that accusation. I have seen everyone enjoying his batting in IPL. I still dunno why a simple criticism of offside play has resulted in this thread or maybe something else at play.

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The first cricketing hero of Hindi hinterland stopping a Delhi munda and BC MC Delhi boys on social media don't have the balls to call this out. They know that he is far too good as a batsman alone.

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3 hours ago, Vk1 said:

The first cricketing hero of Hindi hinterland stopping a Delhi munda and BC MC Delhi boys on social media don't have the balls to call this out. They know that he is far too good as a batsman alone.

because pant is an outsider, not Delhite

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On 5/15/2018 at 10:47 PM, Shunya said:

Okay, than just ignore my posts and move on. You do not agree with me, sure fine. 

As a poster, I will from now on. Not worth my time interacting with deluded and oblivious chamchas like you who believe in alternate realities. 

 

As an admin though, I will have to carry out my duties so I can't completely ignore your posts. I will however make one final response to your inane ramblings.

 

On 5/15/2018 at 10:47 PM, Shunya said:

Okay. Believe whatever you want to. Just dont call it facts, you are nowhere near facts. 

Unlike you, I believe in the truth and not in alternate realities intended for self delusion. Your theory about Dhoni wanting to give the next captain the cushion of the home season is false. Below is a snippet from our Test records.   

 

Kohli's first 5 tests.PNG


http://stats.espncricinfo.com/india/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=6;type=team

 

Dhoni retired after* the 3rd Test of the Border-Gavaskar trophy. Kohli then had to captain his first 5 matches away from home before his first series at home against RSA. These are not my facts, they are the facts.

 

Your theory about Dhoni and the team management wanting to give the new captain the cushion of the home season is contrary to reality. Kohli was not given this cushion you speak of and hence your theory is nothing but a load of unsubstantiated bunkum. The facts/records prove this irrespective of what you believe.

 

On 5/15/2018 at 10:47 PM, Shunya said:

Right. If you deliberately continue to create labels against someone because they do not agree with your opinions, then I will call it a propaganda. 

There is also a problem with haters. They have to create this imaginary label of chamchas/fans to justify their existence and release their frustration/hate every few days.

First of all, you asked me for a distinction between being a fan and a chamcha, I complied to your request. Didn't like my definitions? Fair enough, you don't have to. 

 

The OP of this thread is a proper Dhoni fan and he, of all people, felt that there is a lot of hate for Pant coming from Dhoni chamchas, not fans. You being oblivious to the hate doesn't invalidate its existence. 

 

On 5/15/2018 at 10:47 PM, Shunya said:

The point was the main overseas tours ended in that Australia series. But obviously you do not agree with it, so be it. Fine whatever. 

And the shifting of goal posts have begun. First it was the cushion of home season for the new captain and after I disproved that theory of yours, it is after the main overseas tours ended. You're just making things up on the fly. Truly pathetic but not totally unexpected from a quintessential Dhoni chamcha.

 

Sri Lanka away 2015 was an important series to win for a few reasons. Prior to that win, our last Test series win in Sri Lanka was way back in 1993 and we ended a 22 year drought in 2015. 

 

india vs sri lanka.PNG

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-india-2017/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=6;id=8;type=headtohead

 

We also finally ended our horrendous oversesas run, nearly 4 years without an overseas Test series win. It was not an easy series to win by any means and the resurgence of the Test team started there. Sri Lanka were still formidable at home and India was a relatively young side, so it was a big win in the context of things. 

 

Being a Dhoni chamcha I know it is hard for you to truly appreciate and value Test cricket and matches but not everyone is like you and your ilk. 

 

On 5/15/2018 at 10:47 PM, Shunya said:

This is just crap and lies from you now. Classic hater behaviour trying to prove and imaginary point so that you can then release your frustration on it. Nobody is shielding Dhoni's captaincy, I just said in previous post that dhoni and management must have decided to continue to till aussie tour so that a new captain can get the cushion of home tour.

Two points: 

1. You were justifying Dhoni hanging on to the Test captaincy by rationalizing it as him shielding the team from the losses. Basically, trying to spin his failure to win as him being a noble and virtuous leader, protecting a bunch of no-hopers. Yea, I'm calling that out as Grade-A BS. The calls to sack Dhoni from Test captaincy started way back in 2012. 

 

Maybe you are oblivious but a lot of posters remember exactly what Srinivasan, Dhoni's cricketing Godfather, did to Mohinder Amarnath when he and the selection committee rightly suggested that Dhoni be sacked post the Australia Test debacle in 2012. Amarnath was sacked for being forthright. Do read the details in the below link:

 

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/selectors-wanted-to-sack-ms-dhoni-in-2012-but-srinivasan-put-foot-down-former-selector-raja-venkat/

 

The compromising and subversion of the team ethos by Dhoni and Srinivasan starting from around 2012 is a well documented fact and no amount of fact-twisting from chamchas like you will change that. 

 

Dhoni was not shielding anyone from anything. 

 

2. Your claim of the new captain getting the cushion of a home tour has been disproved. No need to peddle this non-sense anymore. Dhoni retired during the Aussie tour, not after it. And Kohli had to lead the team in 4 ovreseas Tests post that tour before his first home series. 

 

You've now resorted to modifying your claim/theory after I pointed out the fact that Kohli was not given the cushion of starting his captaincy at home. I've been consistent all along you haven't. 

 

On 5/15/2018 at 10:47 PM, Shunya said:

But just like a typical hater you would want to force your wishful thinking so you can justify your opinions and on top of it blame others to spin off. Stop this crap manipulation man. Cmon, I thought you were better than this. 

Unlike you, I'm backing everything I'm saying with facts. I've also posted the relevant links in this post for your convenience. 

 

You are the one with the wishful thinking here. You adamantly made an initial claim, which I disproved. You've now resorted to modifying your claim in response to me disproving your initial claim. Shifting goal posts is what you've done and you accuse me of manipulation. Hardly surprising from a chamcha like you.

 

On 5/15/2018 at 10:47 PM, Shunya said:

Infact you should ask the OP and all Pant chamchas to be playing the victim card.

OP is actually a Dhoni fan, not a chamcha like you, but a true fan. There's a reason why I asked him to replace fans with chamchas in the title. 

 

On 5/15/2018 at 10:47 PM, Shunya said:

Nobody hates pant, but they still want to abuse others using that accusation. I have seen everyone enjoying his batting in IPL. I still dunno why a simple criticism of offside play has resulted in this thread or maybe something else at play.

You're not a spokesperson for every poster.

There definitely is hate for Pant. We admins have monitored it and it's mostly the resident Dhoni chamchas who are guilty of it. Just because you don't hate Pant or haven't noticed it doesn't mean it isn't there.

And yes, it isn't just about criticizing his offside play. There are Dhoni chamchas who take immense pleasure in Pant's overall failure. It's not just Pant btw, but any WK-Bat who could potentially replace Dhoni in LOIs. This is the reality, mano ya na mano.

--------------------------x--------------------x--------------------------    

 

You can now carry on with your Dhoni chamchagiri. I won't reply to your subsequent posts on the forum for the reasons stated at the top of this reply. 

 

*- replaced during with after the 3rd Test.

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24 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

As a poster, I will from now on. Not worth my time interacting with deluded and oblivious chamchas like you who believe in alternate realities. 

 

As an admin though, I will have to carry out my duties so I can't completely ignore your posts. I will however make one final response to your inane ramblings.

 

Unlike you, I believe in the truth and not in alternate realities intended for self delusion. Your theory about Dhoni wanting to give the next captain the cushion of the home season is false. Below is a snippet from our Test records.   

 

Kohli's first 5 tests.PNG


http://stats.espncricinfo.com/india/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=6;type=team

 

Dhoni retired during the 3rd Test of the Border-Gavaskar trophy. Kohli then had to captain his first 5 matches away from home before his first series at home against RSA. These are not my facts, they are the facts.

 

Your theory about Dhoni and the team management wanting to give the new captain the cushion of the home season is contrary to reality. Kohli was not given this cushion you speak of and hence your theory is nothing but a load of unsubstantiated bunkum. The facts/records prove this irrespective of what you believe.

 

First of all, you asked me for a distinction between being a fan and a chamcha, I complied to your request. Didn't like my definitions? Fair enough, you don't have to. 

 

The OP of this thread is a proper Dhoni fan and he, of all people, felt that there is a lot of hate for Pant coming from Dhoni chamchas, not fans. You being oblivious to the hate doesn't invalidate its existence. 

 

And the shifting of goal posts have begun. First it was the cushion of home season for the new captain and after I disproved that theory of yours, it is after the main overseas tours ended. Your just making things up on the fly. Truly pathetic but not totally unexpected from a quintessential Dhoni chamcha.

 

Sri Lanka away 2015 was an important series to win for a few reasons. Prior to that win, our last Test series win in Sri Lanka was way back in 1993 and we ended a 22 year drought in 2015. 

 

india vs sri lanka.PNG

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-india-2017/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=6;id=8;type=headtohead

 

We also finally ended our horrendous oversesas run, nearly 4 years without an overseas Test series win. It was not an easy series to win by any means and the resurgence of the Test team started there. Sri Lanka were still formidable at home and India was a relatively young side, so it was a big win in the context of things. 

 

Being a Dhoni chamcha I know it is hard for you to truly appreciate and value Test cricket and matches but not everyone is like you and your ilk. 

 

Two points: 

1. You were justifying Dhoni hanging on to the Test captaincy by rationalizing it as him shielding the team from the losses. Basically, trying to spin his failure to win as him being a noble and virtuous leader, protecting a bunch of no-hopers. Yea, I'm calling that out as Grade-A BS. The calls to sack Dhoni from Test captaincy started way back in 2012. 

 

Maybe you are oblivious but a lot of posters remember exactly what Srinivasan, Dhoni's cricketing Godfather, did to Mohinder Amarnath when he and the selection committee rightly suggested that Dhoni be sacked post the Australia Test debacle in 2012. Amarnath was sacked for being forthright. Do read the details in the below link:

 

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/selectors-wanted-to-sack-ms-dhoni-in-2012-but-srinivasan-put-foot-down-former-selector-raja-venkat/

 

The compromising and subversion of the team ethos by Dhoni and Srinivasan starting from around 2012 is a well documented fact and no amount of fact-twisting from chamchas like you will change that. 

 

Dhoni was not shielding anyone from anything. 

 

2. Your claim of the new captain getting the cushion of a home tour has been disproved. No need to peddle this non-sense anymore. Dhoni retired during the Aussie tour, not after it. And Kohli had to lead the team in 4 ovreseas Tests post that tour before his first home series. 

 

You've now resorted to modifying your claim/theory after I pointed out the fact that Kohli was not given the cushion of starting his captaincy at home. I've been consistent all along you haven't. 

 

Unlike you, I'm backing everything I'm saying with facts. I've also posted the relevant links in this post for your convenience. 

 

You are the one with the wishful thinking here. You adamantly made an initial claim, which I disproved. You've now resorted to modifying your claim in response to me disproving your initial claim. Shifting goal posts is what you've done and you accuse me of manipulation. Hardly surprising from a chamcha like you.

 

OP is actually a Dhoni fan, not a chamcha like you, but a true fan. There's a reason why I asked him to replace fans with chamchas in the title. 

 

You're not a spokesperson for every poster.

There definitely is hate for Pant. We admins have monitored it and it's mostly the resident Dhoni chamchas who are guilty of it. Just because you don't hate Pant or haven't noticed it doesn't mean it isn't there.

And yes, it isn't just about criticizing his offside play. There are Dhoni chamchas who take immense pleasure in Pant's overall failure. It's not just Pant btw, but any WK-Bat who could potentially replace Dhoni in LOIs. This is the reality, mano ya na mano.

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You can now carry on with your Dhoni chamchagiri. I won't reply to your subsequent posts on the forum for the reasons stated at the top of this reply. 

:adore:This the greatest pwning with facts I have seen on this forum, totally owned and destroyed the chamcha :hysterical: I usually don't have the patience to layeth the smackdown on chamchas with facts so I simply taunt them :biggrin: and leave but you have been ruthless, you didn't let the chamcha escape, you took him by his throat and buried him deep underground, he won't be coming back from this :Giggity:

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3 minutes ago, velu said:

 

not sure who killed whom :phehe:

cant count the number of sachin bhakthas disappeared because of our relentless attack :p:

 

Just 1 sachin bhakt Laaloo was enough to rattle your feathers, I saw plenty of ids here like anti-laaloo, with many putting laaloo in their signatures, just shows that just 1 sachin bhakt was enough to pwn and trigger so many chamchas :Giggity:

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5 minutes ago, kira said:

Just 1 sachin bhakt Laaloo was enough to rattle your feathers, I saw plenty of ids here like anti-laaloo, with many putting laaloo in their signatures, just shows that just 1 sachin bhakt was enough to pwn and trigger so many chamchas :Giggity:

 

as i said we cant count the bhaktas who ran away :p:

 

 

anywya dokla will be offended :rotfl:

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29 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

As a poster, I will from now on. Not worth my time interacting with deluded and oblivious chamchas like you who believe in alternate realities. 

 

As an admin though, I will have to carry out my duties so I can't completely ignore your posts. I will however make one final response to your inane ramblings.

 

Unlike you, I believe in the truth and not in alternate realities intended for self delusion. Your theory about Dhoni wanting to give the next captain the cushion of the home season is false. Below is a snippet from our Test records.   

  

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http://stats.espncricinfo.com/india/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=6;type=team

 

Dhoni retired during the 3rd Test of the Border-Gavaskar trophy. Kohli then had to captain his first 5 matches away from home before his first series at home against RSA. These are not my facts, they are the facts.

 

Your theory about Dhoni and the team management wanting to give the new captain the cushion of the home season is contrary to reality. Kohli was not given this cushion you speak of and hence your theory is nothing but a load of unsubstantiated bunkum. The facts/records prove this irrespective of what you believe.

 

First of all, you asked me for a distinction between being a fan and a chamcha, I complied to your request. Didn't like my definitions? Fair enough, you don't have to. 

 

The OP of this thread is a proper Dhoni fan and he, of all people, felt that there is a lot of hate for Pant coming from Dhoni chamchas, not fans. You being oblivious to the hate doesn't invalidate its existence. 

 

And the shifting of goal posts have begun. First it was the cushion of home season for the new captain and after I disproved that theory of yours, it is after the main overseas tours ended. Your just making things up on the fly. Truly pathetic but not totally unexpected from a quintessential Dhoni chamcha.

 

Sri Lanka away 2015 was an important series to win for a few reasons. Prior to that win, our last Test series win in Sri Lanka was way back in 1993 and we ended a 22 year drought in 2015. 

 

india vs sri lanka.PNG

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-india-2017/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=6;id=8;type=headtohead

 

We also finally ended our horrendous oversesas run, nearly 4 years without an overseas Test series win. It was not an easy series to win by any means and the resurgence of the Test team started there. Sri Lanka were still formidable at home and India was a relatively young side, so it was a big win in the context of things. 

 

Being a Dhoni chamcha I know it is hard for you to truly appreciate and value Test cricket and matches but not everyone is like you and your ilk. 

 

Two points: 

1. You were justifying Dhoni hanging on to the Test captaincy by rationalizing it as him shielding the team from the losses. Basically, trying to spin his failure to win as him being a noble and virtuous leader, protecting a bunch of no-hopers. Yea, I'm calling that out as Grade-A BS. The calls to sack Dhoni from Test captaincy started way back in 2012. 

 

Maybe you are oblivious but a lot of posters remember exactly what Srinivasan, Dhoni's cricketing Godfather, did to Mohinder Amarnath when he and the selection committee rightly suggested that Dhoni be sacked post the Australia Test debacle in 2012. Amarnath was sacked for being forthright. Do read the details in the below link:

 

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/selectors-wanted-to-sack-ms-dhoni-in-2012-but-srinivasan-put-foot-down-former-selector-raja-venkat/

 

The compromising and subversion of the team ethos by Dhoni and Srinivasan starting from around 2012 is a well documented fact and no amount of fact-twisting from chamchas like you will change that. 

 

Dhoni was not shielding anyone from anything. 

 

2. Your claim of the new captain getting the cushion of a home tour has been disproved. No need to peddle this non-sense anymore. Dhoni retired during the Aussie tour, not after it. And Kohli had to lead the team in 4 ovreseas Tests post that tour before his first home series. 

 

You've now resorted to modifying your claim/theory after I pointed out the fact that Kohli was not given the cushion of starting his captaincy at home. I've been consistent all along you haven't. 

 

Unlike you, I'm backing everything I'm saying with facts. I've also posted the relevant links in this post for your convenience. 

 

You are the one with the wishful thinking here. You adamantly made an initial claim, which I disproved. You've now resorted to modifying your claim in response to me disproving your initial claim. Shifting goal posts is what you've done and you accuse me of manipulation. Hardly surprising from a chamcha like you.

Man, I dont know what frustration you have with me, but seems something strong as you must have repeated "You are a dhoni chamcha" like 100 times(Now please dont count it to prove me wrong). I tried to tell you I am not anyone's chamcha and you do not believe me and went on some other level trying to prove it. I dont know what else to say except disagreeing to it since you do not want to listen to me.

 

About the dhoni retirement topic - I repeat again, the thing which you are calling shifting goalpost, was originally meant to be important overseas tour - that is what I meant and I even clarified in previous post. Yes there were ban and sl tour, but its not as difficult and important as aus/nz/sa/england IMO. I still feel that way and sorry if i did not word it exactly as you wished. Apart from that, I am not even defending Dhoni's captaincy in this thread anywhere. That topic is already discussed to death in multiple threads on this forum. So lets just stop this Dhoni stuff here or you may wish to create another thread and continue the discussions there, may be I can also join you in some criticism.

 

47 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

OP is actually a Dhoni fan, not a chamcha like you, but a true fan. There's a reason why I asked him to replace fans with chamchas in the title.

You're not a spokesperson for every poster.

There definitely is hate for Pant. We admins have monitored it and it's mostly the resident Dhoni chamchas who are guilty of it. Just because you don't hate Pant or haven't noticed it doesn't mean it isn't there.

And yes, it isn't just about criticizing his offside play. There are Dhoni chamchas who take immense pleasure in Pant's overall failure. It's not just Pant btw, but any WK-Bat who could potentially replace Dhoni in LOIs. This is the reality, mano ya na mano.

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You can now carry on with your Dhoni chamchagiri. I won't reply to your subsequent posts on the forum for the reasons stated at the top of this reply. 

You do not get to judge who is a true fan and who is not. You can have your opinions and disagree with people, but let people decide for themselves whom they are true fans or not. I am sure you would like it that way as well.

 

Just like I am not a spokesperson for every poster. You are not either. Since you are saying admins are monitoring all this, is there a rule about hate being spread? Please let me know of the guidelines if there is such thing. I have 100s of threads to be reported filled with hate about Dhoni and lot of other players some of them even started by mods/admins may be.  If there are no guidelines, then its just your opinion and you can be biased as you are biased about me. Why should anyone believe that Dhoni fans are hating on pant because you said so? I am a Dhoni fan and I do not hate pant and there are plenty of them around who feel the same. 

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17 hours ago, Shunya said:

Okay. Believe whatever you want to. Just dont call it facts, you are nowhere near facts. 

 

Right. If you deliberately continue to create labels against someone because they do not agree with your opinions, then I will call it a propaganda. 

There is also a problem with haters. They have to create this imaginary label of chamchas/fans to justify their existence and release their frustration/hate every few days.

 

The point was the main overseas tours ended in that Australia series. But obviously you do not agree with it, so be it. Fine whatever. 

 

This is just crap and lies from you now. Classic hater behaviour trying to prove an imaginary point so that you can then release your frustration on it. Nobody is shielding Dhoni's captaincy, I just said in previous post that dhoni and management must have decided to continue to till aussie tour so that a new captain can get the cushion of home tour. I never said that this shield's dhoni's captaincy blunders in those overseas tours. This is no justification of any kind, its simple damage control IMO that a new captain should get easier run of series at home instead of tough overseas tours. But just like a typical hater you would want to force your wishful thinking so you can justify your opinions and on top of it blame others to spin off. Stop manipulating this discussion as per your convenience. Cmon man, I thought you were better than this. 

 

Okay, than just ignore my posts and move on. You do not agree with me, sure fine. If calling this anti-dhoni forum is what is offending you or saying that forum has and agenda is hurting you, you just have to ignore it. I dont claim that I am 100% correct, i will be only glad if its not. I dont claim to be correct all the time. Infact you should ask the OP and all Pant chamchas to be playing the victim card. Nobody hates pant, but they still want to abuse others using that accusation. I have seen everyone enjoying his batting in IPL. I still dunno why a simple criticism of offside play has resulted in this thread or maybe something else at play.

Man do you read whatever you are blabbering  and posting. How come  retiring in  between a high octane series is providing a cushion when team was already behined 1-0, and than endorsing this nonsense by saying it could have been management  decision. 

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5 minutes ago, velu said:

 

keep it cool for sometime :secret:

I was wondering where this thread had disappeared for a moment :lol:

 

But seriosuly, unless it needs to be edited/moderated for abuse, don't simply edit stuff.

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2 hours ago, kira said:

:adore:This the greatest pwning with facts I have seen on this forum, totally owned and destroyed the chamcha :hysterical: I usually don't have the patience to layeth the smackdown on chamchas with facts so I simply taunt them :biggrin: and leave but you have been ruthless, you didn't let the chamcha escape, you took him by his throat and buried him deep underground, he won't be coming back from this :Giggity:

 

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1 hour ago, raki05 said:

Man do you read whatever you are blabbering  and posting. How come  retiring in  between a high octane series is providing a cushion when team was already behined 1-0, and than endorsing this nonsense by saying it could have been management  decision. 

He retired after the high octane aussie series was lost. Not before or not after other series after that. That was the end of cycle for our main overseas tours - Eng/Sa/Aus/NZ. So it can be one of the options - that he and management decided play Dhoni until tough Aussie tour only and not after say bangladesh tour. It can be helpful for the new captain. And again, who knows what the truth is, you/me or anyone here on this forum do not have access to what happens inside Indian dressing room. I am not endorsing anything here, there is nothing to endorse. If you dont like the theory, its okay. Big deal.

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1 hour ago, Shunya said:

He retired after the high octane aussie series was lost. Not before or not after other series after that. That was the end of cycle for our main overseas tours - Eng/Sa/Aus/NZ. So it can be one of the options - that he and management decided play Dhoni until tough Aussie tour only and not after say bangladesh tour. It can be helpful for the new captain. And again, who knows what the truth is, you/me or anyone here on this forum do not have access to what happens inside Indian dressing room. I am not endorsing anything here, there is nothing to endorse. If you dont like the theory, its okay. Big deal.

Doesn't  matter he retire in the middle of the series,. Do u think he would have retired had India were 2-0 up, no cause he is a glory hunter. We all know how mohinder amarnath and entire chair man of selectors were fired because of this guy and his connivance  drink. The darkest day of Indian cricket. It's laughable that u guys blame other cricketers as selfish, where as never ever a single criticism against the choosen one.

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43 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Doesn't  matter he retire in the middle of the series,. Do u think he would have retired had India were 2-0 up, no cause he is a glory hunter. We all know how mohinder amarnath and entire chair man of selectors were fired because of this guy and his connivance  drink. The darkest day of Indian cricket. It's laughable that u guys blame other cricketers as selfish, where as never ever a single criticism against the choosen one.

But Sachin is selfish, I dont even need to blame him.  And worst phase of Indian cricket was 90s fixing saga when Sachin was part of the team.

I do agree with you on one thing. Dhoni was poor test captain - could not kick out sachin when needed be and ended up getting facked by everyone. 

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17 minutes ago, Shunya said:

But Sachin is selfish, I dont even need to blame him.  And worst phase of Indian cricket was 90s fixing saga when Sachin was part of the team.

I do agree with you on one thing. Dhoni was poor test captain - could not kick out sachin when needed be and ended up getting facked by everyone. 

The biggest fixer is still playing , he and his entire team was ban for 2 years. There was a report which literally say that how few of the great players were literally crying during rakesh maria match fixing investigation and every one know, how the name was brushed under the carpet of this cricketer and his cricket enthusiast akas.:finger:

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