sandeep Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 These surrender monkeys have nothing but conversion, submission and surrender in their list of accomplishments - literally going back hundreds of years. Turning_track, speedheat, Laaloo and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 https://tribune.com.pk/story/444417/is-the-pakistan-army-martial/ Quote What exactly did the Punjabi Muslim do? Invaders who got past Peshawar could then only be stopped at Karnal or Panipat because they went through Punjab undisturbed. It is true that the armies of both Nadir Shah and Ahmed Shah Abdali were harassed in Punjab on their return with Mughal booty, but their attackers were Sikhs, not Muslims. Punjab was a quiet state. Punjabi Muslims neither rebelled against Mughal Delhi nor fought any invader whether Afghan or Persian. Was this because the Punjabi did not want to fight other Muslims? Not really, because he did not even resist being conquered easily by Sikhs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 It is still happening. They have surrendered to US and now China. beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Hey look, when I said the same thing years ago, apparently I was a Punjab hater. As I keep saying, before Ranjit Singh, the last son of Punjabi soil to have sovereign power in Punjab was all the way back to Porus. sandeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, gattaca said: It is still happening. They have surrendered to US and now China. This is what they have done historically, turn around and bend over to any and all invaders, military or economic. And there are plenty of local dalaals who make their cut doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 https://thediplomat.com/2019/09/the-deafening-silence-of-pakistani-jihadists-and-radicals-on-chinas-uyghurs/ Quote In 2017, before the 2018 elections in Pakistan, Hafiz Saeed’s organization started a new party, the Milli Muslim League. In the campaign period, Muzammil Iqbal Hashmi, one of Jamaat ul-Dawaa’s leaders and the vice president of Milli Muslim League, declared that Beijing treats its Muslim citizens in a “moderate” way. This fringe party also stressed its support for Sino-Pakistani cooperation. Quote Another radical leader and a Muslim scholar, Khadim Hussain Rizvi, who heads the Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan, gained notoriety by 2017 and 2018 by organizing various protests in defense of (his version) of Islam. When a Dutch right-wing politician planned a competition for a best cartoon depicting prophet Muhammad (an idea he later abandoned), Rizvi’s people took to the streets. The sharp-tongued Rizvi threatened to “wipe Holland off the face of the earth.” I was not able to find a single remark by him on Xinjiang, however. Apparently Holland deserved obliteration for an idea of a contest by one man, while China was not doing anything wrong. Quote the groups that did not shout the word ‘Xinjiang’, such as Jamaat ul-Dawaa/Laskhar-e-Tayyaba or Harkat ul-Mujahideen (and others), are those that are widely suspect of having ties with elements within the Pakistani army and its secret services. Their silence over the issue of Uyghurs shows that these groups are close enough to the establishment to put their Islamic ideology on temporary mute in order not to hurt Islamabad’s relations with Beijing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 The funny thing is they did not even fight for Pakistan. Unionist party Sikandar Bakht had much control over them in until 1942 when he died. It was Bengali and Urdu speaking muslims which were backbone of Pakistan movement. sandeep and mishra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Punjab also until the Mughal times was a very backwards and underdeveloped region. Foreign travellers passing through Punjab mention that once they cross Gandhara into Punjab ( which the boundary was the salt range) the land was mostly infertile scrubland, surrounded by a narrow band of cultivate land hugging the rivers of Punjab( outsiders always called Indus as the river of India, like Ganges but called the other 5 rivers of Punjab as rivers of punjab). Only close to the foothills of the Himalayas were there fertile lush plains and that’s where all the ancient townships of Punjab are: Sagala etc were. It is also worth noting that settlements in Punjab post Indus Valley were much smaller than in the Ganges. Kaushambi for eg has ruins spanning 300 hectares or more, while Sagala, by far the largest settlement in Punjab from ancient times, spans less than 100 hectares. This is all because of lack of irrigation in Punjab till Mughal times. Unlike rest of India, Punjab did not have the political stability to undertake large tank building or dam building like in the south. So Punjab never was a major player in Indian history till 500 odd years ago, when the Mughals brought the Persian wheel with them to the Indian subcontinent. That is what allowed irrigation to spread in Punjab and created a region in the Indian subcontinent dense enough to be a major player. sandeep and Reddysaab 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Even Imran Khan said in some speech that pakistani punjabis were not considered brave and the invaders in the past looked towards Rajputs and Sikhs as their main opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ranvir Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 The fact that Sikhs were outnumbered 4 to 1 by Muslims in Punjab during the partition and still inflicted a lot more casualties on them shows you how useless they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Its reflected in their cricket, full of punjabis, but cant play short ball stuff at all, they approach it like cowards, look so scared against bounce and pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, chewy said: Its reflected in their cricket, full of punjabis, but cant play short ball stuff at all, they approach it like cowards, look so scared against bounce and pace. Turning_track, mishra, Stradlater and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) Pakjabis are as coward as they come. It's actually in their blood to bend over to invaders without a fight and convert to other faiths pissing their pants. It's lolworthy when these impotent creatures talk about ghazwa e hind sitting in their jhopdis while poor pashtun and Mirpuri guys get slaughtered on the LOC. Edited November 8, 2019 by Norman Stradlater, speedheat and motomaverick 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rageaddict Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Just now, Ranvir said: The fact that Sikhs were outnumbered 4 to 1 by Muslims in Punjab during the partition and still inflicted a lot more casualties on them shows you how useless they are. Lol they used to get nice whipping during the good ol days of Ranjit Singh and to this day whine about how it was the most miserable period for the Muslims in Punjab. Apparently, Ranjit Singh had converted their Beloved Badshahi Mosque into a stable for his Army Horses. And , yet you see these Coward Heera Mandi Born Punjabi Muslims bragging about how they ruled over Hindus for a period of 800 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 On 11/7/2019 at 3:59 PM, Muloghonto said: Hey look, when I said the same thing years ago, apparently I was a Punjab hater. As I keep saying, before Ranjit Singh, the last son of Punjabi soil to have sovereign power in Punjab was all the way back to Porus. There is a difference between a Pakistani gernails and Pakjabis claiming martial race etc which is what the OP is pointing to than the entire Punjab or Punjabi’s as a race. The Sikh Gurus were the first to standup to the Mughal atrocities in the name of religion. There are some great revolutionaries from Punjab in the independence era and even today the Indian army has a huge % of Punjabi’s. branding an entire race based on a behavior of a few is the text book definition of racism sergio04, Under_Score, sandeep and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, maniac said: There is a difference between a Pakistani gernails and Pakjabis claiming martial race etc which is what the OP is pointing to than the entire Punjab or Punjabi’s as a race. The Sikh Gurus were the first to standup to the Mughal atrocities in the name of religion. There are some great revolutionaries from Punjab in the independence era and even today the Indian army has a huge % of Punjabi’s. branding an entire race based on a behavior of a few is the text book definition of racism I am not branding a race ( btw Punjabi’s are not a race) as anything. I am pointing out the simple historical reality that till the 1500s, it was a backwards, minor cross roads of the subcontinent area. This is why Punjab has never had a kingdom run by Punjabis since the days of the Mauryan empire, all the way till Ranjit Singh: mostly a barren land (compared to rest of India), with narrow strip of cultivation hugging 100m-200m band around the rivers, till u get to the Tarai region, where there was some farming and density. When you are surrounded by warlike people ( like the Afghans aka the Avaganas), advanced high density regions ( Takshashila region) or the Indo-gangetic plains ( with extremely dense irrigation and agriculture networks), you tend to be conquered a lot or whacked a lot. This is not an indictment of Punjabi people, it’s all about the land: till the Persian wheel arrived, Punjab had no irrigation since the 1700 BCE, when IVC collapsed. This is also because the nature of Indian irrigation is different: we did not try taming the rivers like the Babylonians or the Romans: outside of a few small rivers in the south, like Kaveri, Pennar, Bhim, etc. Indian rivers were way too big and had too much water in the monsoon season for the canal system to work. Instead, we relied on tank building and damming small rivers. Both of which require a lot of local government impetus, something Punjab lacked. This is why I have said until the rise of the Sikhs, Punjab is a minor player in Indian history. I have nothing but the deepest respect of the REAL Sikhs and those who live up to the ACTUAL Sikh tenets of loyalty and protection of India. Edited November 8, 2019 by Muloghonto sandeep and Reddysaab 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/8/2019 at 2:29 AM, Muloghonto said: Hey look, when I said the same thing years ago, apparently I was a Punjab hater. As I keep saying, before Ranjit Singh, the last son of Punjabi soil to have sovereign power in Punjab was all the way back to Porus. You keep forgetting various Republican principalities such as Yaudheyas and Arjunayanas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 My favorite part is when invading Turks used to burn Lahore for fun. Aur sabse badi irony ye ki unhi invaders ke naam pe in ganduo ne missiles name ki. Hahahahaha Muloghonto, sandeep, Laaloo and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Stradlater said: You keep forgetting various Republican principalities such as Yaudheyas and Arjunayanas. They were never really independent, mostly being vassals to the various surrounding empires. Also, IIRC Yaudheyas weren’t from Punjab proper but from Haryana region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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