Pant's inability to rotate strike (Dot ball watch)

[vvvslaxman]

Today he faced 10 dot balls in a row against Chase. 11th ball misfield allowed him to get away. This is becoming an issue. He is not a no.4 batsman. When are we going to realize it. He is a no.6 batsman at best. India needs a better no.4 and no.5.  

[cricketfan28]

They are still working on that . 

[Moochad]

Needs a lot more time at the crease to work on this issue. In domestics he can hit the bowlers very well and doesn't have to worry asmuch. This he will develop with a proper international run. 

 

Rat will change his batting position thrice, drop him for a few months, and then repeat the process

[Rightarmfast]

He is under the mentor ship of Dhoni, as per official statements. You can’t expect him to do any different. 

[vishalvirsingh]

He looks average in batting..is kinda a slogger.

His keeping looks good though.

[Insidious]

He is a no.5 or no.6 batsman. He is direct replacement of Suresh raina. If he works in his game, he can be an upgraded version of Suresh raina.

 

[rtmohanlal]

I think Pant is most suited for opening slot. His match temperament is more suited to tests where he can take his own time and then cut loose later. With field restrictions at the start, he can  give  '30 ball 40 cameos' at the top. I doubt he is a NO:4 material in ODIs.

 

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

I think Pant is most suited for opening slot. His match temperament is more suited to tests where he can take his own time and then cut loose later. With field restrictions at the start, he can  give  '30 ball 40 cameos' at the top. I doubt he is a NO:4 material in ODIs.

 

I feel the same. pant is not (as of now) a strike rotater. he needs fielders to be inside the circle so that he can over them. we should play him like gilly - middle order in tests and opening in ODIs.

[Real McCoy]

He needs to get in touch with Dravid. Dravid was someone who couldn't rotate strike in ODIs with fielders in the ring but he improved after 2000. So much that he incorporated that single taking into tests as well. Whenever he found it tough in tests, he would take the single and get off strike. Dravid can help Pant because he was someone who struggled with this issue but managed to overcome it.

[R!TTER]

12 hours ago, Moochad said:

Needs a lot more time at the crease to work on this issue. In domestics he can hit the bowlers very well and doesn't have to worry asmuch. This he will develop with a proper international run. 

 

Rat will change his batting position thrice, drop him for a few months, and then repeat the process

Don't forget he'll be hailed an integral part of the "future" plans before being unceremoniously dumped, for you know who 

12 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

He is under the mentor ship of Dhoni, as per official statements. You can’t expect him to do any different. 

That *er is just waiting for his time, I'm sure he knows the selectors & Brat+cheers leader have his back.

[ShoonyaSifar]

13 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Today he faced 10 dot balls in a row against Chase. 11th ball misfield allowed him to get away. This is becoming an issue. He is not a no.4 batsman. When are we going to realize it. He is a no.6 batsman at best. India needs a better no.4 and no.5.  

Maybe give him a proper run before making such judgments? He struggled yesterday which was a one off. Never looked in any troble vs Eng or BD in the WC. He's played a grand total of 9 ODI innings. Just needs to settle down properly and target to play at least 45-50 deliveries in each innings.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Maybe give him a proper run before making such judgments? He struggled yesterday which was a one off. Never looked in any troble vs Eng or BD in the WC. He's played a grand total of 9 ODI innings. Just needs to settle down properly and target to play at least 45-50 deliveries in each innings.

 

 

Not the first time. It is not about giving chances. It is about ability. Giving more chances won't automatically increase the ability to rotate strike. 

[adi B]

Have patience, the TM wants him to face more overs and get a big knock under his belt hence playing him at this position. 

Yuvraj never looked like a #4 in the start of his career but cemented his position as one later on ,pant should ideally be batting at #5 or 6 but I dont mind him bat at 4 for a couple of series 

[ShoonyaSifar]

24 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Not the first time. It is not about giving chances. It is about ability. Giving more chances won't automatically increase the ability to rotate strike. 

Well, the kind of hitting abilities he has, he can/will compensate for all those 'dot balls'. Plus the guy is all of 21. Let him have a fair run (at least 3 series) before making such grand judgments.

 

Someone who smokes 1200+ runs in 2 seasons of IPL, 1000+ runs in a FC season including a 300, fastest FC and T20 100s by an Indian, winning a crunch tri-series of A sides deserves these kinds of opportunities in an insignificant bilateral series.

[GautiMaan]

14 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Today he faced 10 dot balls in a row against Chase. 11th ball misfield allowed him to get away. This is becoming an issue. He is not a no.4 batsman. When are we going to realize it. He is a no.6 batsman at best. India needs a better no.4 and no.5.  

I think even the TM knows he is not a long term number 4,however it is a gamble worth taking in their eyes

1)If Pant succeeds at no.4,Dhoni can play as a keeper and continue with his mentorship role for a longer period.

2)If Pant fails at no.4 then the task is even easier,we can just claim Pant is not ready yet and needs few years in domestic etc and Dhoni will continue in his role as keeper.

3)Worst case scenario Pant proves he does not need a mentor and another middle order player cement his place in the team-highly unlikely however to be thorough they have a backup plan in Kedhar Jadhav who can be dropped at any time to bring back Dhoni in his "finisher" role. 

Edited August 12, 2019 by GautiMaan

[rtmohanlal]

4 hours ago, Vijy said:

I feel the same. pant is not (as of now) a strike rotater. he needs fielders to be inside the circle so that he can over them. we should play him like gilly - middle order in tests and opening in ODIs.

yes ... same as  Gilchrist... unlike Gilly he has debuted at 20, so he has enough time . That dumb ass Kohli's methods are the only obstacles in his path to success.  

[WC2011INDIA]

I think even under the pathetic rahane these youngsters would have done much better or got the right spot. 

Edited August 12, 2019 by WC2011INDIA

[kubrickian]

What I've observed is he is not a wristy player, nor is he good at maneuvering in the crease to create angles where he can pick the gaps and rotate strike. He either goes hard at the ball or plays defense. Even West Indies batsmen are like this. This is something he needs to work on, if he has to bat at 4 or even 5. Otherwise, he should bat at 7 where he can play his shots. He has time against fast bowlers, that's why he doesnt struggle much defending them or playing shots.

Edited August 12, 2019 by kubrickian

[Hakuna Matata]

3 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

What I've observed is he is not a wristy player, nor is he good at maneuvering in the crease to create angles where he can pick the gaps and rotate strike. He either goes hard at the ball or plays defense. Even West Indies batsmen are like this. This is something he needs to work on, if he has to bat at 4 or even 5. Otherwise, he should bat at 7 where he can play his shots. He has time against fast bowlers, that's why he doesnt struggle much defending them or playing shots.

I don't think he is a no. 4 batsman but still he is too good to bat at 7.They should give chances to him at no. 5 to help him improve his game and get some time to settle. In t20's he is best at 4.

[jusarrived]

Open with him , been saying this from start