Ayodhya Verdict

[diga]

33 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Southies have darker skin for being closer to the equator, northies have lighter skin for being closer to the Tropic of Cancer. The average skin shade of Southies and the Northies are within the global averages for their respective latitudes. 

Out of Africa is just a theory with probably more data points than multi regional evolution..

[diga]

9 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Your anti-Hindi rants are revealing your Hinduphobic and anti-Hindu hatred. Go back to your Church and pray to wash all your sins. Wanker.

Lord Ram is worshipped all over India and also in Thailand, Indonesia and Korea. 

 

Angrez chale gaye, aulaad chodke gaye, colonial ch*th still using  words like cow-belt invented by your ancestors.

 

 

 

8 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Someone do this anti Hindu w@nker a favor and ban him.

No need to ban Lannister.. he has every right to post as you.. We know his true colors now. 

[coffee_rules]

17 minutes ago, diga said:

 

 

No need to ban Lannister.. he has every right to post as you.. We know his true colors now. 

 

8 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Likewise, but will not block you. I keep trolls closer. Not sorry to call you a Colonial Cunt.

 

[Lannister]

10 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Someone do this anti Hindu w@nker a favor and ban him.

Aren't you the same arsehole who used to racially taunt south Indians? If anyone should be banned, then we should start from a filth like you. 

[vayuu1]

Guy's read a tweet that  more than 700 Cr has been raised in 24 hrs

[MechEng]

5 hours ago, Audiophile said:

How I you know that?
 

By reading accounts of historians in books. People who I trust more than myself on this topic or self proclaimed experts on social platforms? After all we all know there are many of the latter lurking around!

 

Do a bit of reading of credible sources on the internet and you will come across what I am talking about.

That means the oral tradition of our rishis, Aboriginal people and other tribes are baseless and the works of Western historians are unbiased.

Why? Because phirangis know our past better than our ancestors. See the psychological colonialism there?

[Gollum]

Apart from BJP/RSS/VHP, construction material for the temple was provided by Bal Thackeray and Amma, during an era when it was very difficult to support the movement. BJP netas must not forget those who stood by them during their difficult times.

 

Never whitewash the contribution of these 2 fearless leaders, defenders of dharma.

[Gollum]

On 11/10/2019 at 9:09 AM, Under_Score said:

I don't know about it, I do know that there are many references of Lord Rama in our Holy book 'Guru Granth Sahib', not sure whether it's King Dasrath's son Rama or Raam ( as mentioned in Punjabi ) as universal creator ( One God ). I'm not a very religious person, also since I lived in South India before I moved to Canada, I had Sanskrit & Kannada as my additional languages, I don't know to read or write Punjabi. Both my kids who are born here chose Punjabi as their second language instead of French. I will ask them if they happen to read the Holy book in the future. 

 

I congratulate my fellow Hindus here on ICF on the verdict, Muslims should not get upset bcoz of this decision since it's a known fact that Mogul Invaders razed many Temples & built Mosques over them back in time.

 

22 hours ago, Singh bling said:

Guru Gobind Singh in Dasam granth wrote about Bedi and Sodhi, descendants of Luv Kush. Bedi was  the caste of Guru Nanak and Sodhi was caste of Guru Gobind Singh.But from 20th century several Sikh sects did not believe Dasam granth as authentic Guru Gobind Singh.

Sikh Gurus rock !!!!

10 of the greatest souls from Bharat. Massive respect to the other prominent figures like Banda Singh Bahadur, Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Hari Singh Nalwa etc. That they did what they did during an era of brutal Islamic tyranny makes it all the more impressive. 

[randomGuy]

6 hours ago, Lannister said:

Aren't you the same arsehole who used to racially taunt south Indians? If anyone should be banned, then we should start from a filth like you. 

Of course, have a South Indian in my profile pic n racially taunt them... that's my strategy... Let a normal south Indian say this, not a miserable hater like yourself.

[Alam_dar]

Winning against the Muslims is one thing, but as a non-biased human being, let me remind it that there existed No Ram, and therefore no birthplace of Ram. 

 

All these stories were invented after the Aryan arrival to India, when for the first time Hindu religion was created and started getting evolved for the next 2000 years till Rigveda and other stories of Ramain and Mahabharata were written. 

 

There exist no statues of Hindu god,  no temples, absolutely no signs of Hindu religion in ALL OVER INDIA, which could be older than 4000 (i.e before the arrival of Steppe people). 

 

It was from the beginning when some story book told that Ram took human shape in Ayodhya. 

 

And since it was only a fantasy story, therefore no one knew exactly where in whole of Ayodhya Ram was born. 

 

Please note, these religious Hindu stories were written about 2000 years ago. From 2000 years ago to 500 years ago (i.e. till the construction of Babari Masjid), Hindus didn't know where in Ayodhya Ram was born.  

 

The construction of mosque is a very recent thing and only 500 years old at maximum (while Hindus claim it was Aurangzeb who constructed it which makes it only 400 years old). 

 

But from 2000 years ago till 500 years ago, Hindus wrote thousands and thousands of religious books. But in none of those thousands of books (between 2000 years to 500 years), any one mentioned the presence of any Temple in Ayodhya, where Ram was born, and where thousands of Hindus go for pilgrimage every year etc. 

 

So questions are:

 

(1) Why Hindus didn't mention exact place in Ayodhya where Ram was placed during this whole window of 1500 years, where thousands of Hindu religious books were written. 

The desert Arabs (who are considered Jahils) had already written hundreds and thousands of books till 500 ago, where they recorded the history of every stone which had any importance in Islam). Were Indian religious people and historians so lazy that they could not have even mention the birthplace of Ram properly? 

 

(2) Why didn't thousands of Hindus went for pilgrimage to this site every year since the event of birth of Ram. If that site was really so blessed and important, then Hindus should have started taking blessings from it from the time immemorial. 

 

Answer is very simple if we ponder upon it logically ... i.e. there existed no Ram at the first place, and it were only the fairy tales, and thus ancient Hindus were unable to point out any particular place in Ayodhya as Ram's birth place. 

 

At maximum, present day Hindus come up with an argument that LATER (after the mosque had already been built) some people stated that it was a birthplace of Ram. Nevertheless, these claims are still ambiguous while none of Hindu writer (out of thousands who existed during the window of 1500 years) mentioned about any Ram Temple there till 1500 BC. 

 

Yes, there may be some signs of Hindu ruins beneath Babari mosque, but such signs are present in every Hindu house, but they don't become ram birth place due to such ruins. It was a Hindu fort, and Hindu fort could carry such Hindu signs. 

 

You have full right to disagree with me, but I have full right to state my opinion on this issue. 

 

Edited November 11, 2019 by Alam_dar

[Ranvir]

This is something which could have been done 72 years ago.

[mishra]

41 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Yes, there may be some signs of Hindu ruins beneath Babari mosque, but such signs are present in every Hindu house, but they don't become ram birth place due to such ruins. It was a Hindu fort, and Hindu fort could carry such Hindu signs. 

 

You have full right to disagree with me, but I have full right to state my opinion on this issue. 

 

 

Its ASI archeological  report which scientifically carbon dated each object/statue it unearthed, came out with how the structure looked before, destruction and if location of walls pillars would have matched a temple. 

one of the very serious charge of “demolition of temple by Babar “, wasn’t  prooven beyond doubt despite Absolute description of demolition and attrocities in Tulasidas Doha Satak. So don’t assume the lawyer who faught for Sunni Waqf Board was chewtiya then Pakistani journos or SM gurus who keep peddling lies or stupidity or both. Do some research

[zen]

 

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Winning against the Muslims is one thing, but as a non-biased human being, let me remind it that there existed No Ram, and therefore no birthplace of Ram. 

All these stories were invented after the Aryan arrival to India, when for the first time Hindu religion was created and started getting evolved for the next 2000 years till Rigveda and other stories of Ramain and Mahabharata were written. 

 

There exist no statues of Hindu god,  no temples, absolutely no signs of Hindu religion in ALL OVER INDIA, which could be older than 4000 (i.e before the arrival of Steppe people). 

 

It was from the beginning when some story book told that Ram took human shape in Ayodhya. 

 

 

People know that in ancient India, events were not recorded as much as we would have liked, and that through word of mouth,  information was preserved and spread. Hinduism is a religion that has evolved over the years, therefore, if temples or certain customs exist now, it does not imply that is how things were from Day 1.  Hinduism has evolved over centuries and its practises adapted. Buddhism, Jainism, etc., are examples of religious ideologies that were born in the region too (only much later to take advantage of "records" and "standardised customs")

 

 

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And since it was only a fantasy story, therefore no one knew exactly where in whole of Ayodhya Ram was born. 

Talking about fantasies/stories, 1.8B people follow Islam today based on the stories Muhammad told them about Allah. Were you able to verify the facts of Muhammad's "revelations"?  Or inquired to see if Jesus is truly the son of God. Not to forget that these religions are much younger than Hinduism (and have the benefit of copying and pasting from other religions. For e.g. Jesus is said to have traveled to India before he resurfaced in the Middle East) 

 

Edited November 11, 2019 by zen

[Alam_dar]

15 minutes ago, mishra said:

Its ASI archeological  report which scientifically carbon dated each object/statue it unearthed, came out with how the structure looked before, destruction and if location of walls pillars would have matched a temple. 

one of the very serious charge of “demolition of temple by Babar “, wasn’t  prooven beyond doubt despite Absolute description of demolition and attrocities in Tulasidas Doha Satak. So don’t assume the lawyer who faught for Sunni Waqf Board was chewtiya then Pakistani journos or SM gurus who keep peddling lies or stupidity or both. Do some research

 

You didn't answer the whole post. 

 

Even if we consider that it could be a temple, still it shows that that temple was not the birthplace of any Ram while during 1500 years (or more) Hindus showed no importance to that place, didn't mention in their thousands of books, didn't visit it. Actually no signs of any Hindu religion which are older than 4000 years. Actually, no statute of Hindu god or Hindu temple is older than 2500 years. All these religious books were written after the arrival of Aryans. 

 

[coffee_rules]

3 hours ago, Gollum said:

 

Sikh Gurus rock !!!!

10 of the greatest souls from Bharat. Massive respect to the other prominent figures like Banda Singh Bahadur, Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Hari Singh Nalwa etc. That they did what they did during an era of brutal Islamic tyranny makes it all the more impressive. 

Don't forget Guru Tegh Bahadur, who gave up his life to protect KPs from conversion, read an eye witness account of the way Aurangzeb tortured and killed his disciples and he refused to convert, and was beheaded in Chandni Chowk. Khoon khaul utha hain.

Edited November 11, 2019 by coffee_rules

[Alam_dar]

9 minutes ago, zen said:

 

 

People know that in ancient India, events were not recorded as much as we would have liked, and that through word of mouth,  information was preserved and spread. Hinduism is a religion that has evolved over the years, therefore, if temples or certain customs exist now, it does not imply that is how things were from Day 1.  Hinduism has evolved over centuries and its practises adapted. Buddhism, Jainism, etc., are examples of religious ideologies that were born in the region too (only much later to take advantage of "records" and "standardised customs")

This may be said about the oldest Hindu religious books that although religion existed since the first day that this earth was created by the Hndu gods, but surely this excuse will not work for an event which took place only 500 or even 400 years ago. It is a very recent time and Hindu Scholars had already written many many religious books. 

Even if we to believe that people were telling things to others orally till 1600 AD, still we don't see any importance of Ayodhya and Hindus from all over India were not going for any pilgrim there, or talking about it. Look at the temple of Somnath. When Ghaznavi attacked this sacred temple, then there was a huge strom in India and people wanted to defend this important religious site. And now compared it to Ayoddhya where every book and every tongue is absolutely silent.

 

And regarding Muhammad and his Drama of Revelations, then I left the path of 1.5 Billion Muslims while clearly it was not any revelation, but only the Drama of revelation by Muhammad. We are humans. It would be a shame if any person/religion could make us still a fool in this 21st century with dramas and lies. 

 

Science has already put an end to religious fantasy stories. It is only this that we as humans have still not started to believe in Science. 

 

[coffee_rules]

22 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

You didn't answer the whole post. 

 

Even if we consider that it could be a temple, still it shows that that temple was not the birthplace of any Ram while during 1500 years (or more) Hindus showed no importance to that place, didn't mention in their thousands of books, didn't visit it. Actually no signs of any Hindu religion which are older than 4000 years. Actually, no statute of Hindu god or Hindu temple is older than 2500 years. All these religious books were written after the arrival of Aryans. 

 

BS. There are no Aryans coming to India. Rigveda is at least 5000 years old doesn't mention any place they can from. Jesus jataka tales propped up after 400 years. Nobody has been able to prove Mohd was told Allah's words personally. 

 

Read something about Ram before trolling in every fackung thread about your Aryan Hindu BS theories read from leftist websites. There are eye witness accounts in 13th and 14th century western and persian accounts that people prayed in Ayodhya. It is mentioned in vedas well. Johnny Commie lately. TonyvJoseph worshipper.

Edited November 11, 2019 by coffee_rules

[zen]

13 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

This may be said about the oldest Hindu religious books that although religion existed since the first day that this earth was created by the Hndu gods, but surely this excuse will not work for an event which took place only 500 or even 400 years ago. It is a very recent time and Hindu Scholars had already written many many religious books. 

Even if we to believe that people were telling things to others orally till 1600 AD, still we don't see any importance of Ayodhya and Hindus from all over India were not going for any pilgrim there, or talking about it. Look at the temple of Somnath. When Ghaznavi attacked this sacred temple, then there was a huge strom in India and people wanted to defend this important religious site. And now compared it to Ayoddhya where every book and every tongue is absolutely silent.

 

And regarding Muhammad and his Drama of Revelations, then I left the path of 1.5 Billion Muslims while clearly it was not any revelation, but only the Drama of revelation by Muhammad. We are humans. It would be a shame if any person/religion could make us still a fool in this 21st century with dramas and lies. 

 

Science has already put an end to religious fantasy stories. It is only this that we as humans have still not started to believe in Science. 

 

Ever since I was born, I have been told that Ram was born in Ayodhya. And to those who told me, when they were born. No need to go for records as they are not required (and also, as discussed, not known to be kept) 

 

Science has a lot to learn. Will quote an excerpt from my book:

 

In one of the classes, we discussed magic and science. The discussion stemmed from an event referenced in Ramayana, where a bridge is constructed magically between India and Lanka.

 

A monk asked, "How could that have happened?"

 

Jairam explained, "Magic has science or some type of logic behind it. But, at times, that science or logic can be esoteric. For example, for people who do not understand how a hot air balloon functions, it flies by magic. Ramayana was written in a time when the information was spread through stories. To not burden the masses with the arcane science used behind the construction of the bridge, the stories relied on magic to drive the narrative. Since God knows all the science there is to know, he is the greatest scientist in the world. Until we discover how everything works on this planet, including how to reach God scientifically, God, especially in our holy books, is likely to be presented as the greatest magician."

 

Edited November 11, 2019 by zen

[coffee_rules]

On 11/10/2019 at 6:50 AM, Singh bling said:

Guru Gobind Singh in Dasam granth wrote about Bedi and Sodhi, descendants of Luv Kush. Bedi was  the caste of Guru Nanak and Sodhi was caste of Guru Gobind Singh.But from 20th century several Sikh sects did not believe Dasam granth as authentic Guru Gobind Singh.

 

 

Sorry it is not AskASikh day..but Why are some places have Sahib suffixes? Like Patna Sahib. Why are Sikhs going away from vedic roots? They used to give up sons for Hindus to fight and vice versa. What some of the western Punjab sects are following is a version of Islam.

[mishra]

38 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

You didn't answer the whole post. 

 

Even if we consider that it could be a temple, still it shows that that temple was not the birthplace of any Ram while during 1500 years (or more) Hindus showed no importance to that place, didn't mention in their thousands of books, didn't visit it. Actually no signs of any Hindu religion which are older than 4000 years. Actually, no statute of Hindu god or Hindu temple is older than 2500 years. All these religious books were written after the arrival of Aryans. 

 

For all practical purposes, Globally it has been established that Hindus are oldest religion. What is there to answer? This court was not their to decide if Hindu religion is 1 year old or 10 year old. Courts dont go on tangent discussions.

 

BTW, What do you mean when you say, Hindus showed no importance to that place. Most of us firmly believe that All the temples, Universities, places of social,religious, political importance with regards to various faiths of India have been decimated by Muslim invaders in a region starting from Afghanistan to centre MP and Bangladesh.

Do you want Hindus to give their life for these places? Behave like followers of religion of peace and bomb and kill innocents all over the world so that this issue can be highlighted in UN and global world will have sympathy?

 

We still havent got place for Lord Shiva, Lord Krishna. Kashi Mathura Ujjain. Three more places are still next in line for a battle for next 50 years

Edited November 11, 2019 by mishra