Jimmy Anderson - the ultimate bowling version of FTB

[Muloghonto]

Thread title is self-explanatory. For medium-fast swing bowlers, especially ones who get late swing, bowling in England is the pace-bowling version of batting in a total concrete-ish flat pitch like Adelaide or MCG against military medium bowlers.

James Anderson gets these home conditions, which should no doubt, give him an advantage over other fast-medium bowlers with swing, from most other countries.

Yet, in 15 years of test cricket, his stats ALMOST EVERYWHERE OUTSIDE OF ENGLAND is ABYSMAL!

Take a look at these numbers:

 

in Australia	2006-2018	18	34	720.3	181	2126	60	5/43	7/127	35.43	2.95	72.0	1	0
in England	2003-2018	83	159	3049.3	806	8745	368	7/42	11/71	23.76	2.86	49.7	21	3
in India	2006-2016	10	18	309.5	71	870	26	4/40	6/79	33.46	2.80	71.5	0	0
in New Zealand	2008-2018	7	12	255.0	58	853	26	5/73	7/130	32.80	3.34	58.8	1	0
in South Africa	2005-2016	8	14	315.1	55	998	25	5/63	8/161	39.92	3.16	75.6	1	0
in Sri Lanka	2003-2018	6	11	176.4	36	553	12	5/72	5/98	46.08	3.13	88.3	1	0
in U.A.E.	2012-2015	6	12	216.0	63	452	22	4/17	6/69	20.54	2.09	58.9	0	0
in West Indies	2009-2015	7	11	248.2	68	648	26	6/42	7/77	24.92	2.60	57.3	1	0

His *ONLY* sub-30 averaging nations are UAE, where he's faced a very weak pakistani batting lineup (where except for 2-3 middle order bats, all the rest are walking wickets against any swing whatsoever) and the 2nd tier level west Indies.

 

Alltogether, his numbers outside England are:

 

filtered

2003-2018

62

112

2241.3

532

6500

197

6/42

8/161

32.99

2.89

68.2

5

0

 

[velu]

poor mans ishanth sharma @Tattieboy

[Tattieboy]

1 hour ago, velu said:

poor mans ishanth sharma @Tattieboy

Oh definitely, Ishanth is a Rogan Josh and Anderson a Bhaji Pav 

[Jamadagni]

Average of 32 away isn't bad at all. Moreover, he had one very good series each in Australia and India which helped his team won series. To put into perspective, our greatest bowler, Zaheer Khan, career average is 33. Green tracks doesn't necessarily make bowlers averages better. You need skill to exploit those conditions which many bowlers lack. Why do you think all our bowlers, past or present, average less at home than away despite the favourable pitches overseas? 

[Clarke]

Joy to watch his bowling in full flow. Troubled the best of the best. Ofc he isn't the best all conditions bowler but an awesome artist on his turf.

[Vilander]

Very Very good in England though. Normal to poor elsewhere

 

Basically good only in England.

[cric_fan]

Shhhhhh don’t mention he’s away stats guys :p

[YCCC]

Another "Anderson is ****" thread.

 

Get over yourselves and change the record. Someone actually took the time to look all this up and post it on here. What a fun life they must have.

Edited November 24, 2018 by YCCC

[rtmohanlal]

To add to that Anderson always got quality support from the other end in the form of  Broad,Stokes,Woakes,Swann,Flintoff etc etc especially in home conditions. That's why despite his numbers, he   remain  2 or 3 levels below an ATG for me. He is a Kumble level seam bowler.  

[ShoonyaSifar]

How would we love to have an Anderson equivalent in our bowling unit. Someone who can bowl over after over across all conditions without giving much away for over a decade.

 

Ishant could be our inferior version of Anderson going by how he's done in last 2-3 years

[G_B_]

look at those economy rates though.

 

Jimmy bowls long spells and does not concede much. He allows England to play a deeper batting line up. A lot of people forget that.

 

The likes of Stokes and Ali can have a breather cause of Anderson.

 

 

[Global.Baba]

Can twist the stats anyway we like but Anderson is an ATG. Period. 

 

The guy has nearly 900 international wickets and nearly 600 in tests. His team has been on the rise since his debut where they have done well in every country. If that doesn’t qualify him as an ATG don’t  know what will. 

Edited November 26, 2018 by Global.Baba

[Cricketics]

When he comes to Asia, he becomes a work horse, so he is still a pretty damn good bowler in Asia, putting pressure on the oppositon bats and you can ask any top batting line up and they will tell you that he is always a threat to face even in Asia. 

SOMETIMES WICKET COLUMN IS NOT WHAT ALl is REQUIRED IN Asia for visiting team.

 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

9 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

Can twist the stats anyway we like but Anderson is an ATG. Period. 

 

The guy has nearly 900 international wickets and nearly 600 in tests. His team has been on the rise since his debut where they have done well in every country. If that doesn’t qualify him as an ATG don’t  know what will. 

To be an ATG in cricket, you must have ATG average (which is 50+ for Test cricket 40+ for ODIs pre 2005 or so, +5 to both of those counts ; <25 for pacers, < 30 for spinners) and/or ATG economy rate in limited overs.

Anderson has neither. And its because he is a non-factor in non-swinging conditions. In batting terms, he is basically a Manjrekar who played a lot more than Manjrekar.

[Rightarmfast]

On 11/24/2018 at 3:28 PM, Muloghonto said:

Thread title is self-explanatory. For medium-fast swing bowlers, especially ones who get late swing, bowling in England is the pace-bowling version of batting in a total concrete-ish flat pitch like Adelaide or MCG against military medium bowlers.

James Anderson gets these home conditions, which should no doubt, give him an advantage over other fast-medium bowlers with swing, from most other countries.

Yet, in 15 years of test cricket, his stats ALMOST EVERYWHERE OUTSIDE OF ENGLAND is ABYSMAL!

Take a look at these numbers:

Alltogether, his numbers outside England are:

 

filtered

2003-2018

62

112

2241.3

532

6500

197

6/42

8/161

32.99

2.89

68.2

5

0

 

Been saying this for a long time. His nos are fake. People can say anything, but you take him out of ENgland, and you have a very mediocre bowler in your line up. 

[Clarke]

I personally feel he could have been a very good reverse swing bowler if he were playing for India/Pak etc. The way he has had great seam position, release, rhythm while in England, he could have achieved the same for his primary conditions. Ditto if he were an LOI specialist, might have done wonders in that sphere too. It takes a special level of skill & commitment to get where he is in terms of wickets and he would have been successful in any other primary turf as well.

[SUMO]

He is pace version of ashwin.

[putrevus]

10 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Been saying this for a long time. His nos are fake. People can say anything, but you take him out of ENgland, and you have a very mediocre bowler in your line up. 

Are you serious. It is like saying Ashwin is not great becuase he does not have great stats in SENA.Anderson with 600 test wickets is mediocre wow.

 

 

[Global.Baba]

On 11/27/2018 at 5:46 AM, Muloghonto said:

To be an ATG in cricket, you must have ATG average (which is 50+ for Test cricket 40+ for ODIs pre 2005 or so, +5 to both of those counts ; <25 for pacers, < 30 for spinners) and/or ATG economy rate in limited overs.

Anderson has neither. And its because he is a non-factor in non-swinging conditions. In batting terms, he is basically a Manjrekar who played a lot more than Manjrekar.

Sanjay Manjrekar is not the right comparison because Manjrekar did well against WI in the late 80s against a gun bowling attack and against a strong Pak bowling line up. His decline started after when he failed to make a mark everywhere including at home.

 

Similarly Ashwin is not the right comparison either because Ashwin has done jack outside the  SC even though has a killer record at home.

 

Apt comparison would be with Anil Kumble. Who was a match winner at home and abroad held one end with consistency and at times won matches as well.

 

Kumble is definetely a 2nd tier ATG in my book and so is Anderson.

Edited November 28, 2018 by Global.Baba

[velu]

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