All eyes on King Kohli in the 2nd innings

[Norman]

17 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

Doesnt Klown Kohli average something like 4 runs in ICC tournament finals? Or some stat I saw like this.

Nah ..averages 41 in all ICC finals. 

                           39 in all ICC knockouts.     

 

Inflated by his freak shows in 2014 and 2016 wt20s.                                 

[R!TTER]

2 minutes ago, Norman said:

Inflated by his freak shows in 2014 and 2016 wt20s.   

You don;t count T20 & ODI in the same stats, that's just wrong. His 100+ avg in those games is sullied by his single digit scores in WC 2011, 15, 19 KO & they certainly do not cover for  it 

[LordPrabhzy]

12 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

His form is one thing, every player goes through this patch.

 

It is the way he is ruining Indian cricket which is the bigger picture.

I think Kohli should step down from captaincy and focus on this batting for the last 3/4 years of his career. We need the beast back who was scoring bucket full of runs everywhere.

 

He needs to actually play a season of county cricket or prioritise actually first class games as warm ups before a tough SENA tour so atleast himself and the boys are technically adjusted to the conditions before a test match. Right now the BCCI is giving a false impression that they care about test cricket on the back of home wins ( which every team does anyway so nothing special there), do away with useless bilateral ODIs and T20s and focus on the longer format. If money is the issue have single format players And pay them the same. Atleast have 2/3 test specialists in your team. Look at Ishant and him not playing LOI cricket as done wonders in his test bowling.

[Frustrated]

Another opportunity for captain brat to go shopping early tomorrow with Anushka. By the end of the tour the couple would hv explored entire NZ.

[SRT100]

 

In 14 quarter-finals, semi-finals or finals that Kohli has played in his career, he averages 31.36, almost half his career average of 59.70.

 

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/virat-kohli-odi-record-statistics-knockout-games-new-zealand-world-cup-semi-final/2019-07-09

[SRT100]

48 minutes ago, Norman said:

Nah ..averages 41 in all ICC finals. 

                           39 in all ICC knockouts.     

 

Inflated by his freak shows in 2014 and 2016 wt20s.                                 

Nah

 

 

In six World Cup finals appearances he has made just 73 runs, with a high-score of 35, at an average of just 12.16.

 

In semi-finals however the numbers are even uglier. Across three innings the master with the willow has made 11 runs at an average of 3.67.

 

In 2011 against Pakistan he made 9 before a pair of one run performances in 2015 against Australia and then in 2019 against New Zealand.

 

That’s a lower average than former Australian batting bunny Glenn McGrath who finished his career with a 3.83 ODI batting average.

 

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/virat-kohli-is-one-of-crickets-greatest-batsmen-but-its-not-all-roses/news-story/8411e8891bb1ee217c7469d4ff42f498

[Adamant]

Wow, the only guy who stood up in almost every overseas tour is somehow getting all the criticism here. 

Just think what our condition would have been in england and Sa if kohli didn't do well. 

The amount of times he has performed under pressure in test is just extraordinary and do kaudi ke fans here are showing their aukaat. 

Kutto jaisi halat ho jaegi agar is bande ne perform karna chhod diya. 

Jeetna to chhodo overseas tour mai ek draw bhi nahi kara payenge baaki overrated ftbs. 

I know all this criticism is based upon jealously and ego rather than performance. 

He is the only ATG player this team has, the one and only king. 

He will be back and will deliver another slap on your faces but still somehow u'll find a way of ridiculing him. 

[SRT100]

6 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Wow, the only guy who stood up in almost every overseas tour is somehow getting all the criticism here. 

Just think what our condition would have been in england and Sa if kohli didn't do well. 

The amount of times he has performed under pressure in test is just extraordinary and do kaudi ke fans here are showing their aukaat. 

Kutto jaisi halat ho jaegi agar is bande ne perform karna chhod diya. 

Jeetna to chhodo overseas tour mai ek draw bhi nahi kara payenge baaki overrated ftbs. 

I know all this criticism is based upon jealously and ego rather than performance. 

He is the only ATG player this team has, the one and only king. 

He will be back and will deliver another slap on your faces but still somehow u'll find a way of ridiculing him. 

 

Absolute garbage comment.

 

Everyone in here would rather Kohli score big hundreds and also lead India to victory.

 

In fact I would rather that, than what is going on that at the moment. Kohli could fail for another year easily and he wont be replaced from the team.

 

I genuinely believe also he has sent Indian cricket back a few years by not blooding good young Indian kids when we were smashing teams in India in Tests. This is the time you give kids a go so they build confidence in a winning team.

This is what Australia have done over the years.

[Norman]

51 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

In six World Cup finals appearances he has made just 73 runs, with a high-score of 35, at an average of just 12.16.

Six world cup finals ? 

 

When on earth did that happen ? As far as I know, he has played only two (2011 and 2014) and has scored 35 and 77 respectively..

[diga]

must be Adamant Anushka backing her beau..   

 

Nobody is questioning Kohli's hunger for runs or his runs in the flat tracks.. Its his team composition and refusal to take responsibility for it which is questioned by everyone. 

[MechEng]

4 hours ago, SRT100 said:

There is a documentary called

 

Virat Kohli: Disgusted by who I saw in the mirror.

 

To be honest Im disgusted by the man that is leading Indian cricket.

 

I actually dont want him to fail. Why? Because he has such control and power over Indian cricket, it would be literally years before he was removed. Just look at Dhoni lingering around.

 

Kohli has changed. He was far greater player before he was with his wife. His wife has softened him on the field. He lacks the strong temperament that he had when younger. When angry, when hurt, when humiliated, he was at his best. Now when he is angry, hurt and humiliated he is even a worse cricketer.

 

It is ingrained some what in Indian culture, where Age, Power and Position absolutely rule the way of life. To some extent that happens in every culture to be fair but more so in Indian culture I feel.

 

No one will challenge Kohli and nor will any player remotely challenge Kohli the cricketer as well. So what happens? He remains doing what he is doing. Under performing both as Captain and player.

 

A simple example was today. Mayank I felt knew he didnt hit the ball, yet had to speak to Kohli first to get permission to use the referral. That wouldnt have happened in an Australian cricket team.

 

I also feel Kohli is keen to protect his brand and which is why there is lack of strong new Indian kids in this team. If Pant was always going to play overseas in SENA, why not give him the advantage of playing him at home in Tests ahead of Saha. Sure Saha maybe technically better, but over the long run what is best for Indian cricket.

 

This team feels as old as the one I used to adore like Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman. But these guys at least are legends of Indian cricket that have played against some of the best cricketers of all time.

 

I dont love this team as the old one. Kohli and to some extent Dhoni have ruined my experience of cricket.

 

No major changes will happen in the next match. King Klown Kohli will make sure of that.

A decent captain, would look at KL, Saini and Gill has injecting some new vigor into a team that is feeling and performing old.

To be honest I used to be a die hard cricket fan until 8 - 0 happened. It was not because of the losses but the negative body language of the team at that time brought down my attachment for the game exponentially.

[SK_IH]

Apart from WT20 2016 and home tests series vs Eng in the same year, King Kohli has done nothing.of note since 2015 WC. That is half a decade of meaningless stats boosting and going AWOL when it matters (as captain to boot as well).

I think that is enough evidence to say the guy does not belong to the elite list. Forthcoming T20 WC is an another opportunity to make some amends to this horrendous record.

[Gollum]

14 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Apart from WT20 2016 and home tests series vs Eng in the same year, King Kohli has done nothing.of note since 2015 WC. That is half a decade of meaningless stats boosting and going AWOL when it matters (as captain to boot as well).

I think that is enough evidence to say the guy does not belong to the elite list. Forthcoming T20 WC is an another opportunity to make some amends to this horrendous record.

Hope people wake up to his actual worth as ODI player, always downplaying Smith/Kane/Root in this format when actually they have had better returns in important matches, esp Smithy. In fact Super V hasn't had a stellar WC knock till now, even Babar Azam had that gritty 100 against NZ in tricky conditions, must win match for Pak. Kohli remains T20 GOAT though, irrespective of what happens in IPL or useless bilaterals. Very good ODI batsman but his lack of balls means he isn't top tier yet, guy needs a mental coach ASAP. That his peak phase is more or less over won't help. 

[SK_IH]

6 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Hope people wake up to his actual worth as ODI player, always downplaying Smith/Kane/Root in this format when actually they have had better returns in important matches, esp Smithy. In fact Super V hasn't had a stellar WC knock till now, even Babar Azam had that gritty 100 against NZ in tricky conditions, must win match for Pak. Kohli remains T20 GOAT though, irrespective of what happens in IPL or useless bilaterals. Very good ODI batsman but his lack of balls means he isn't top tier yet, guy needs a mental coach ASAP. That his peak phase is more or less over won't help. 

Well summarized. Just to add he is also overrated in tests. His peers have more clutch innings in tests as well.

Yes, legend in T20Is but the fact that he could not convert his best in the format to a triumph in two attempts is another negative in his CV. 

[Ajju]

His best series was Test series vs Aus in 2015 in Aus

[ShoonyaSifar]

3 hours ago, diga said:

must be Adamant Anushka backing her beau..   

 

Nobody is questioning Kohli's hunger for runs or his runs in the flat tracks.. Its his team composition and refusal to take responsibility for it which is questioned by everyone. 

At some stage, Kohli’s super arrogance as captain and the whole thought process of being this undisputed all powerful ruler of Indian cricket, will be his undoing. Nothing validates the arrogance better than him not batting at all in the practice match before test. Such disrespect to the game almost always precipitates a downfall.

 

Signs are this series is where that decline could very well have started.

[Gollum]

13 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Well summarized. Just to add he is also overrated in tests. His peers have more clutch innings in tests as well.

Yes, legend in T20Is but the fact that he could not convert his best in the format to a triumph in two attempts is another negative in his CV. 

I wouldn't be too harsh on him in WT20s, did everything he could possibly do but let down by others.

 

2016 was a long shot because (motivated) WI was the far better side, scary Eng was waiting in Kolkata, we struggled in group stage and almost got knocked out by BD....

 

That 2014 final loss hurts, basically started our choking habit in ICC events....Yuvi, Dhoni's captaincy, idiotic batting order, Rahane as opener, Senanayake chucking, too much. Another 25 odd runs and Kohli's (and Ashwin's who was unplayable in that tournament) reputation would have been so much better. 

Edited February 23, 2020 by Gollum

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Well summarized. Just to add he is also overrated in tests. His peers have more clutch innings in tests as well.

Yes, legend in T20Is but the fact that he could not convert his best in the format to a triumph in two attempts is another negative in his CV. 

One player alone cannot win teams...it ll always be a team effort. Kohli did everything he cud in t20s.

In wc 2019 also warner, finch, shakib ,rohit pilled on runs but teams didnt win Wc. 

One player can win u a match but series n tournaments are won by teams.

[SK_IH]

5 minutes ago, Gollum said:

I wouldn't be too harsh on him in WT20s, did everything he could possibly do but let down by others.

 

2016 was a long shot because (motivated) WI was the far better side, scary Eng was waiting in Kolkata, we struggled in group stage and almost got knocked out by BD....

 

That 2014 final loss hurts, basically started our choking habit in ICC events....Yuvi, Dhoni's captaincy, idiotic batting order, Rahane as opener, Senanayake chucking, too much. Another 25 odd runs and Kohli's (and Ashwin's who was unplayable in that tournament) reputation would have been so much better. 

 

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

One player alone cannot win teams...it ll always be a team effort. Kohli did everything he cud in t20s.

In wc 2019 also warner, finch, shakib ,rohit pilled on runs but teams didnt win Wc. 

One player can win u a match but series n tournaments are won by teams.

Not blaming him for the loss, it is a team sport of course. But just the thought that his best never converts into a triumph, gives that undercurrent of Panauti that he is. Similar was the case in IPL 2016, God like tournament just to end up on the wrong side in the final. Iski kismat mei nahi likha kuch jeetna

[Gollum]

If Kohli is serious about revival in fortunes he must give up captaincy in the shorter formats. Too much of a burden, and when one's mind is cluttered with nonsense (mainly TM politics but also power games/endorsements) difficult to perform at max level.