What is the solution to the Hindu-Muslim communal mess that our country finds itself in atm?

[Vilander]

11 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Agree with you on the UCC but don't think we can do away with religious/caste based census. We provide reservations on the basis of caste/religion.

the problem is under representation of muslims in many organised sectors. But with 180 mil people there are several muslims in lower economic strata so they can just make it an economic reservation. Meaning economic reservation will fetch lots of muslims into reservation fold. 

[Vilander]

Indian govt should make a graphic video novel of syrian civil war and make it part pf madrassa curriculum. What is the civil war that Indian muslims seek. Do they really want it for their children ? 

[Zero_Unit]

On 2/28/2020 at 7:31 AM, Alam_dar said:

I see a partial solution in Bengal. 

Hindu Bengalis became open enough to accommodate and integrate moderate Muslims. Thus even Muslim families are ready to marry their girls to Hindu boys in Bengal. 

Muslims in Bangledesh are also Secular to that extent where there has begun an internal war between moderate Muslims and extremist Muslims. 

 

But problem is this that this Secular approach had although worked in Indian Bengal, but I see that it has been totally failed in the Secular Europe. Very huge part of Muslim community is not ready to get integrated in the Secular European culture. 

 

 

Another hope is increase in Atheist Movement among the Muslims. But this movement is in it's very initial stages. It needs time to develop and challenge the extremist Islam. 

 

There is a problem with that me thinks. If you take a look at the history books, let's take a look at BD, when it was majority hindus/buddist. Ethnic clensing happened, now it's a majority muslim country. These kind of integration doesn't always end well, espacially in 3rd world countries. Heck, its even a big challenge in western countries. If these majority "white folks" were not as tollerant, we would face a similar hitler situation all over again.

 

As an Atheist, I fully approve your Athiest Movement comment. Less religious people we have, be it hundus, muslims, christians, etc, better for humanity.

 

Religion has done more harm than good through out history. Today might be the muslims, prior to that, it was the christians (if you ask me this specific religion has caused so much pain/crime than any other religion in the history of time), so on and so forth.

[adi B]

No solution really ,they wont co exist .

Either grab and smash them like US,China  or surrender to them and get ready for conversion and mass murder after 20-30 years 

[Khalpat]

In Hindi there is a word called "Varchasva". You want this to end then one of the two should have the Varchasva and we all know under whose Varchasva everyone will love normally.

[Mariyam]

On 3/1/2020 at 9:00 PM, Vilander said:

the problem is under representation of muslims in many organised sectors. But with 180 mil people there are several muslims in lower economic strata so they can just make it an economic reservation. Meaning economic reservation will fetch lots of muslims into reservation fold. 

Problem with income based reservation is that we are a society which constantly understates household income. Everybody would claim to be poor/near poor/lower middle class. And show some pieces of official paper to accentuate that claim. 

GoI has started an EWS ( Economic Weaker Section) quota recently. But I think its only among the non reserved category. 

[Vilander]

14 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Problem with income based reservation is that we are a society which constantly understates household income. Everybody would claim to be poor/near poor/lower middle class. And show some pieces of official paper to accentuate that claim. 

GoI has started an EWS ( Economic Weaker Section) quota recently. But I think its only among the non reserved category. 

it has to be executed. Meaning make big sections of people come under reservation based on their disclosed income at first. Have punitive measures for under reporting. It can be done. 

Also people need to be told that India has limited resources and having 400 mil muslims on top of 900 million Hindus would mean famine and worse law and order situation and wide spread destruction of the society ( multiple places having this type of riots)

[sandeep]

29 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Problem with income based reservation is that we are a society which constantly understates household income. Everybody would claim to be poor/near poor/lower middle class. And show some pieces of official paper to accentuate that claim. 

GoI has started an EWS ( Economic Weaker Section) quota recently. But I think its only among the non reserved category. 

There are always challenges.  Doesn't mean solutions shouldn't be attempted.  

 

That's what govt policies are for - to incentivize certain behaviors, and vice versa.  

[Deleted_User_1]

There are solutions, but nothing will be implemented. This will go on for ever and ever. Hate for each other has consumed any rationale thinking, so I do not expect any rational solution. There are people who will bitch and moan about how bad Muslims are, and India has been ruled by them yada yada yada. 

 

Well India has 15% Muslim population of whom a majority are Indian citizens. You cannot assume they are going anywhere. So deal with it and implements solutions so that communities can co-exist without rioting. They do not have to love each other, but definitely can co-exist without violence. 

Edited March 2, 2020 by Audiophile

[Vilander]

May be a two nation federated union can be attempted. Meaning Muslims vote Muslim representatives and they are practically a separate autonomous country ( except foreign policy or security of course) with free movement of goods, people and services across the two nations. This sounds more problematic that current situation but might bring down violence. 

[Vilander]

This is horrific.

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry/delhi-riots-police-national-anthem-video-faizan_in_5e5bb8e1c5b6010221126276

 

this is where the next bunch of rioters will come from. 

[First class]

On 3/1/2020 at 3:04 AM, Clarke said:

Surprised no one is inspired by Umerika

 

 

 

PS: jokes aside, the nation and its citizens shall live on. 

Your country men and women, bravo. 

[urbestfriend]

1. Enforce two children policy across all the religion strictly. Penalise those who are having more than 2 children. 

2. Ban madarassa for  mainline education. Schooling is an important place where children across different communities mingle, madarassas cant provide that. 

3. Stop all these Urdu medium schools, Urdu must be an optional subject in schools. 

4. Ghettoisiation is another problem where muslim community doesn't co live with other communities and they live with their coreligionists. It should be avoided as much as possible but it is very difficult. 

 

The only way India can progress is move away from religion without losing the core culture and ethos. 

 

[someone]

19 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

1. Enforce two children policy across all the religion strictly. Penalise those who are having more than 2 children. 

2. Ban madarassa for  mainline education. Schooling is an important place where children across different communities mingle, madarassas cant provide that. 

3. Stop all these Urdu medium schools, Urdu must be an optional subject in schools. 

4. Ghettoisiation is another problem where muslim community doesn't co live with other communities and they live with their coreligionists. It should be avoided as much as possible but it is very difficult. 

 

The only way India can progress is move away from religion without losing the core culture and ethos. 

 

They are already very violent with regards CAA even when that doesn't affect them. So how will the government ever to be able to make such laws? It's day-dreaming and not practical solutions at all.

 

[Alam_dar]

40 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

1. Enforce two children policy across all the religion strictly. Penalise those who are having more than 2 children. 

2. Ban madarassa for  mainline education. Schooling is an important place where children across different communities mingle, madarassas cant provide that. 

3. Stop all these Urdu medium schools, Urdu must be an optional subject in schools. 

4. Ghettoisiation is another problem where muslim community doesn't co live with other communities and they live with their coreligionists. It should be avoided as much as possible but it is very difficult. 

 

The only way India can progress is move away from religion without losing the core culture and ethos. 

 

Good sensible suggestions. 

Thanks. 

[Mariyam]

On 3/3/2020 at 10:58 PM, urbestfriend said:

1. Enforce two children policy across all the religion strictly. Penalise those who are having more than 2 children. 

2. Ban madarassa for  mainline education. Schooling is an important place where children across different communities mingle, madarassas cant provide that. 

3. Stop all these Urdu medium schools, Urdu must be an optional subject in schools. 

4. Ghettoisiation is another problem where muslim community doesn't co live with other communities and they live with their coreligionists. It should be avoided as much as possible but it is very difficult. 

 

The only way India can progress is move away from religion without losing the core culture and ethos. 

 

Why should Urdu medium schools be banned?

[rageaddict]

1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

Why should Urdu medium schools be banned?

Because Urdu Schools would be exclusively Muslim and thats the starting point of creating divisions at an early age. It would be better if Muslim Children grow up inter-mingling with Children from other commmunities in English or Vernacular medium schools which would help them to broaden their outlook outside religion.  As it is Most Muslims live in Ghettos with their own,  then admitting kids in Urdu Medium schools will only set up the next generation on the same path by denying them day to day interaction with the Majority community.  Atleast outside the Cow belt,  there is no need for these Urdu Medium schools. 

 

The less educated , less affluent Hindus in rural Maharashtra send their Children to Marathi Medium schools whereas the Muslims in same region prefer to send their Children to Urdu Medium schools. I know getting rid of Urdu Schools is impossible  because Quami taleem is very important for Muslims, to create a separate identity from the Hindus right from the birth.  Learning Urdu rather than your own mother tongue,  because Mother Tongue Marathi is not Islamic enough unlike Quami Zubaan Urdu. Learning about Islamic history,  glorifying invaders,  celebrating Faiz and Iqbal rather than your own local poets  these are all value added things to learn along the way thus completing the process of separation and carving a separare identity from the other locals. Wherever this Urdu Imperialist literature  has spread in SC,  it has only created cultural divisions among Hindus and Muslims. Thats why both communities  in South and Bengal are more United as the Urdu Divisive culture hasnt been able to make inroads. 

[Mariyam]

@rageaddict

Quami taleem is generally in Arabic and the primary languages of translation are Hindi/English.

 

Urdu shares a script with Arabic and that is a huge reason for the mazhabi ones to learn Urdu, regardless of their mother tongue. All those who can read Urdu can also read Arabic, but not make any sense of it.

 

I suggest you take a look at the poems that Urdu Class X books have. Only one is by Faiz. Mainly the focus in on the works of Indian authors. Ismat Chugtai, Kaifi Azmi, Firaq Gorakhpuri (he was a Hindu) and the like.

 

As it is, Urdu newspaper readership is dwindling in most of the areas. Written Urdu is dying a very slow natural death. I always believe that languages should naturally evolve and/or get extinct. The moment you bring in legislation on languages, you create a feeling of ill will and resistance to the change.

Edited March 5, 2020 by Mariyam

[Stan AF]

On 3/3/2020 at 10:58 PM, urbestfriend said:

1. Enforce two children policy across all the religion strictly. Penalise those who are having more than 2 children. 

2. Ban madarassa for  mainline education. Schooling is an important place where children across different communities mingle, madarassas cant provide that. 

3. Stop all these Urdu medium schools, Urdu must be an optional subject in schools. 

4. Ghettoisiation is another problem where muslim community doesn't co live with other communities and they live with their coreligionists. It should be avoided as much as possible but it is very difficult. 

 

The only way India can progress is move away from religion without losing the core culture and ethos. 

 

One kid. We're already *ing overpopulated.

[Stradlater]

12 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

One kid. We're already *ing overpopulated.

Lol no. That would have drastic consequences for the future. Anyway as the recent data suggest, our fertility rate has come down significantly and would probably touch the WHO recommended 2.1 in about a decade or so. 

In urban regions it's already 1.8 or something if my memory serves me correctly. 

We need to focus more and more upon female education. That's the only thing that can save this country from the doom. 

As per the ministry of women and child and development data, those women who have at least senior secondary level school education tend to have less kids who are comparatively healthy as well.