Does Kohli have ZERO conscience?

[asterix]

Only India losing to England at home under Kohli captaincy can raise these questions. He’s a huge support base... given the depth of the team, it’s however a pipe dream... He’ll stay captain till he retires... 

[ShoonyaSifar]

1 hour ago, gloryof83 said:

Do you even know what facts are? your thoughts are just that... not facts.

 

Man we have some bitter fans, always have to put down someone, either current or past players.

 

what the team achieved yesterday was magical and ethereal. yet instead of basking in their success, we have people bitching...

Read the first page on the thread, I and many other have given the reasons for starting this thread.

 

What we achieved y'day was truly magical and ethereal, but imagine the captain, who delivered the magic, will not be leading us when we play our next day. How fair and ethical is that? Why is it wrong to ask that question? We want the best man to lead our test team, not the biggest superstar and definitely not the one with the biggest media clout

 

On the facts, well, if you go through multiple threads and posts, many of us here have been persistently calling out the deficiencies and ad hoc decisions under Kohli, which have been badly hurting the team. He takes rest for 3 tests and suddenly those issues seem to have disappeared, team started to fight back, the same youngsters, who were ignored and abused under Kohli, put in match winning performances. Those are the bitter facts Kohli cheerleaders cannot accept. 

[Norman]

Kohli deserves every bit of flak that he's getting. No two ways about it. Can't believe his supporters are still trying to save grace.

Just look at his selection and tactics in the first test itself. Gill and Pant were walking into the team eyes closed with their performances in the practice games but nope...he benches them and plays out of sorts Shaw and tailender Saha

He is perfectly capable of benching Pant and playing Saha against England stating "WK against spinners in Indian conditions" and playing half fit (bowling) Pandya ahead of Sundar who just had a dream debut. And Gill.....

[gloryof83]

17 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Read the first page on the thread, I and many other have given the reasons for starting this thread.

 

What we achieved y'day was truly magical and ethereal, but imagine the captain, who delivered the magic, will not be leading us when we play our next day. How fair and ethical is that? Why is it wrong to ask that question? We want the best man to lead our test team, not the biggest superstar and definitely not the one with the biggest media clout

 

On the facts, well, if you go through multiple threads and posts, many of us here have been persistently calling out the deficiencies and ad hoc decisions under Kohli, which have been badly hurting the team. He takes rest for 3 tests and suddenly those issues seem to have disappeared, team started to fight back, the same youngsters, who were ignored and abused under Kohli, put in match winning performances. Those are the bitter facts Kohli cheerleaders cannot accept. 

 

again, any proof of the abuse or you just making up things again.

 

questioning you does not make me a kohli cheer leader.

 

couple of weeks ago most posters wanted rahane out of the team, now he is the messiah. what if rahane messes up next series?

 

by all means criticise kohli or any other players, but don't abuse or make it personal and degenerate them.

 

i dont believe that any player, past present or future, gives nothing less than 100% when representing India. Criticise their performance, but questioning their commitment, integrity or character is not correct.

[prashan]

keep crying kohli winning test matches 58% 

[BacktoCricaddict]

18 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Read the first page on the thread, I and many other have given the reasons for starting this thread.

 

What we achieved y'day was truly magical and ethereal, but imagine the captain, who delivered the magic, will not be leading us when we play our next day. How fair and ethical is that? Why is it wrong to ask that question? We want the best man to lead our test team, not the biggest superstar and definitely not the one with the biggest media clout

 

On the facts, well, if you go through multiple threads and posts, many of us here have been persistently calling out the deficiencies and ad hoc decisions under Kohli, which have been badly hurting the team. He takes rest for 3 tests and suddenly those issues seem to have disappeared, team started to fight back, the same youngsters, who were ignored and abused under Kohli, put in match winning performances. Those are the bitter facts Kohli cheerleaders cannot accept. 

The subject of the thread has nothing to do with Kohli's shortcomings as a captain or absolving Kohli of his mistakes.  It was about whether he should himself step down.

 

The point being made (at least the one I am trying to make) is that you cannot expect a world-class athlete to just shed their ego and walk away from a job.  Rather, the onus is on the board/selectors to show some spine, make the right call and retain Rahane as captain.        

[ravishingravi]

 

[prashan]

first jinks at least prove his batting consistency , then we see after England everyone know ash > rahane as a vice captain 

[ShoonyaSifar]

3 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

The subject of the thread has nothing to do with Kohli's shortcomings as a captain or absolving Kohli of his mistakes.  It was about whether he should himself step down.

 

The point being made (at least the one I am trying to make) is that you cannot expect a world-class athlete to just shed their ego and walk away from a job.  Rather, the onus is on the board/selectors to show some spine, make the right call and retain Rahane as captain.        

Thats exactly conscience. Remember this captain has had all the powers even getting to chose the coach he wanted overruling the choice of stalwarts like Sachin, Sourav and VVS. But after being at the helm for 6 years, the team under him had stagnated with no youngsters properly groomed.

 

End of the day the superstar, who tries to portray an image of being a very conscientious person, should be seen practicing it as well. That's a fair expectation

[Sandeep99]

On 1/19/2021 at 4:33 PM, ShoonyaSifar said:

How can anyone even with an iota of conscience left stick to captaincy a few hours after his stand-in captain had delivered perhaps the biggest test series win of all times? With what face will Kohli justify Rahane not being the captain? Kohli doing the honorable thing and stepping down would have only given a much bigger PR boost to his image (which he so brazenly chases and craves for).

 

It's not that Kohli hasn't had his time as a captain. He completed 6 years as a test captain sometime back, that's more than an adequate length for any captain. Why can't he just step aside handing over the leadership to a more deserving captain?

 

Or do the financial benefits attached to captaincy trump all moral and ethical values?

 

P.S  - the thread is about Kohli the captain and not him as a batsman. I did not want to create this negative thread on such a joyous day but doing so because of the team announcement earlier in the day.

You're talking about a guy who said we lost the world cup in 15 min chasing 240 when he got out. Do you really expect conscience from him?

[Sandeep99]

We lost in England, South Africa where we had sporting pitches and facing weaker oppositions. The blame was pinned on 'toss'.

 

Adelaide, we won toss, 36 all out.

 

Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, we lost toss. The strongest opposition with probably the best home advantage apart from us who usually crush stronger opponents batting first. But we won against all odds. That shows the character of the team and more importantly the man leading it. Rahane has it. 

[Jimmy Cliff]

2 hours ago, Sandeep99 said:

We lost in England, South Africa where we had sporting pitches and facing weaker oppositions. The blame was pinned on 'toss'.

 

Adelaide, we won toss, 36 all out.

 

Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, we lost toss. The strongest opposition with probably the best home advantage apart from us who usually crush stronger opponents batting first. But we won against all odds. That shows the character of the team and more importantly the man leading it. Rahane has it. 

 

India hadn't won batting 2nd in SENA since Hamilton 2009 up until this series. Under Rahane, we did it twice in 3 games here .

[Trichromatic]

It's never a good memory when Kohli is there.

[ShoonyaSifar]

Still hoping against we somehow avoid a loss. Looking improbable but then never say never

[Suhaan]

Kohli has negative conscience,he is definition of negativity

Infact many of us in ICF knew it deep down inside well in advance what was coming

He started with self goal,selecting two spinners and playing buddies like Sharma,Bumrah struggling(though don't blame him to go with Bumrah,any captain would have gone with him)

He was the most expected to take responsibility and score runs here ir hang around with LO just like Williamson,on top of that was already downplaying importance of this game,he knew his egoistic selections will fetch him another embarrassment but then no one will dare to point a finger at him

Brace yourself for he's going to lead us at home come wc

[maniac]

India bowled for 36 under captain Kohli

 

goes on paternity leave and India pulls out a miracle against all odds 

 

Comes back and we lose to England immediately.

 

Damage control we get Adani and Reliance ends to run through the POMS- everyone celebrates Kohli

 

Back to square 1

 

Add the debacles of losing in CT final and even to Srilanka in the league game.

 

The WC semis

 

Never winning even an IPL trophy with all the resources given to him.

 

On the other hand India wins in Australia,Asia cup,Nidihaas etc when Kohli is away.

 

Am I really overthinking that there is a problem here?

Edited June 23, 2021 by maniac

[Turning_track]

Why would a person who has been given so much power from the word go & literally the person with such heavy clout would want to throw it away? That too at an age when cricketers are supposed to be at their prime. Just because his team loses the matches which matter & the men at his disposal would give him 15 out of 20 wins on an average he'd be automatically considered as a smart captain. All this stat padding would come to his rescue negating the fact that this team could have gone on to became a force in itself. Instead in the last 7+ years we have been struggling to win a single major trophy & mirrored ourselves as closest first cousin of the Proteas. At least the SA have racial problems, Kolpak, salary issues & what not but what stops the BCCI from putting its own house in order when it is being headed by an ex-captain itself. 

Received a forward which sums it up all- "Kohli and Remdesivir are alike. Highly overrated, worked sometimes in moderate cases and failed in critical times hence good for nothing yet sought by all . But Remdesivir was called off !!!"

Edited June 23, 2021 by Turning_track

[ShoonyaSifar]

Over to you once again Mr. Kohli. You are yet to win anything important outside Asia. In facts this is the 4th consecutive humiliation - 2 tests in NZ, at Adelaide and now the worst of then all the WTC final.

 

Show some remorse and quit.