R!TTER Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, SK_IH said: Give this atleast 10-15 games before passing judgements. With the same top 4 nothing will change! Link to comment
goose Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 A failure with this approach is on par with the other approach. SK_IH, Laaloo, GautiMaan and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
New guy Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 hours ago, goose said: A failure with this approach is on par with the other approach. Yeah, my conclusion With slow approach - Worst case scenario (Team collapses after slow start) final score = 280. Best case scenario (Middle order and finishers go berserk) - 330 With fast approach - Worst case scenario - (Team collapses and slows down after fast start) = 325. Best case scenario (Middle order and finishers go berserk) - 375+ IndianRenegade 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 give it time , it will develop and become better nevada 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Top three still are the heart and soul of this team. Has this series showed anything different. Pant went @ 192 SR but only 125 at number 4.Getting better bowlers is easier way to improve this team.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Suhaan 1 Link to comment
Frustrated Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 We won test series on spin friendly wickets And then won odi series on flattest Pattas against a ruthless english attack. Implies there is nothing wrong with our approach. Only fielding especially the catching needs to improve in every format. Link to comment
bharathh Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 While I was very disappointed with the bowling of Natarajan esp - I will give the bowling a little bit of a pass. They have defended against one of the best LOI batting units in difficult conditions and a small ground 2 times out of 3. I don't think this England lineup would have been in the game in even 1 of the 3 games had they bowled first. So well done to Team BCCI to have defended slightly under-par scores. In this game we started well - couldn't have asked for better than a start of ~7 rpo with 0 wickets down till almost the 20th over. A bit of a shame our tail couldn't play out the overs to get at least 350. Link to comment
RajBan Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Couple of serious concerns - Our batsmen can't bowl while our bowlers cant hold bat. This started as a culture 10 years back and now widespread at domestic level. Even those who used to bowl stops bowling after reaching superstar status(Kohli, Rohit) and this is now a template for all young batsmen. Likewise our bowlers are not just bad batsmen but also completely lacks any application in 22 yards. This is one major difference between us and other top cricketing nations and this lack of balance is reason to play half cooked playere like Krunal which further compounds the overall problem. We already know our culture of safe and steady start is outdated but now this has become infectious like viral disease. Kohli who used to be a brisk starter(not hitter) is now a different player and all signs are KL is also influenced by this approach. If we don't sort these out we are not going to win anything. kohli 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 We are going to win more matches than we lose with this approach. Knockout matches require some luck. Is Kohli going thru a bad phase which happens to every great batsman is the bigger question. If he and Rohit can be themselves till 2023 World Cup then they just need to find complimentary players around them plus find bowlers especially spinners who can take wickets.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment
New guy Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, putrevus said: Top three still are the heart and soul of this team. Has this series showed anything different. Pant went @ 192 SR but only 125 at number 4. Getting better bowlers is easier way to improve this team. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You have to be deluded here. You really thing finishers can hit at 192 every time? Stokes hit 200 previous match but not this match at same position Even if we agree to your retarded point, The conclusion is that pant starts at 125 but can accelerate to 192. Top three start at 50 strike rate and later score at 130. Final pant strike rate >125, final top 3 strike rate 90 to 110 So pant needs more balls to play not less See, Sometimes an argument is lost, you cannot always be right, so you just need to give up rather than do this child like ridiculous leaps of logic which makes no sense to even a 10 year old and makes you a laughing stock to adults Edited March 29, 2021 by New guy Laaloo, vijaydude and RajBan 3 Link to comment
New guy Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, putrevus said: We are going to win more matches than we lose with this approach. Knockout matches require some luck. Is Kohli going thru a bad phase which happens to every great batsman is the bigger question. If he and Rohit can be themselves till 2023 World Cup then they just need to find complimentary players around them plus find bowlers especially spinners who can take wickets. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk England won the world cup with their approach. They have chased 300+ 10 times in the last 5+ years with 5 being over 350 with their approach (before that in entire history they only chased 300 successfuly twice) . We won lota cups with our approach Keep being deluded and digging your own grave and being a laughing stock Edited March 29, 2021 by New guy Link to comment
rkt.india Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 11 hours ago, putrevus said: Top three still are the heart and soul of this team. Has this series showed anything different. Pant went @ 192 SR but only 125 at number 4. Getting better bowlers is easier way to improve this team. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If every batsman score at 120, you get 360. Link to comment
Sooda Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Opening with Rahul could be key to this, he is the only opener who can strike at 100 + from the outset. Dhawan can start briskly but not at England level beserkness...for all his sterling ODI service, is it time to bid him farewell? Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Sooda said: Opening with Rahul could be key to this, he is the only opener who can strike at 100 + from the outset. Dhawan can start briskly but not at England level beserkness...for all his sterling ODI service, is it time to bid him farewell? at open he bats like rahane, actually rahane also bats faster in PP then rahul has in ODIs. Rahul is best at 5 , shudnt be touched . Actually shud be only send after 30 overs, u give him to much time he starts wasting it sage 1 Link to comment
GeeGaw Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 9 hours ago, New guy said: England won tied the world cup and lost three group stage matches with their approach. Fixed for accuracy. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for their approach. kruiser 1 Link to comment
kruiser Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, GeeGaw said: Fixed for accuracy. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for their approach. 100% agree. It is a glorified Afridi approach that is bound to fail more than it succeeds. Just biffing the ball from 1st over is good for T20s, in ODIs if there are good bowlers and a decent fielding side, you will be looking at 200/ 6 at 30 over mark a lot. From there, you may get to 350 or be bundles out for 280.. Link to comment
New guy Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 1 hour ago, kruiser said: 100% agree. It is a glorified Afridi approach that is bound to fail more than it succeeds. Just biffing the ball from 1st over is good for T20s, in ODIs if there are good bowlers and a decent fielding side, you will be looking at 200/ 6 at 30 over mark a lot. From there, you may get to 350 or be bundles out for 280.. Once again, in 45 years, from 1971 to 2015, England only successfully chased 300 twice From 2015 onwards, they have chased 300 successfully 10 times, with 4 above 350, including against Pakistan, New Zealand and west indies. They have successfully chased over 300 3 times against Aus attack These are cold hard facts. In just 5 years, 5 time the success of 45 years before This is like the coming of automobiles. Those who still believe in horses will be left far behind Suhaan and vijaydude 2 Link to comment
New guy Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, GeeGaw said: Fixed for accuracy. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for their approach. Why not when others countries didn't even do that? New Zealand is equally aggressive which is why they could tie. And as quoted above, before 2015, for 45 years, England could only chase 300 successfully twice. After changing approach in 2015, they have already chased 300+ successfully 10 times. This includes 3 300 + chases against Australian attack, 4 340 + chasez against attack of new zealand, Pakistan and west indies So they have 5 times the success in 5 years than they had in previous 45 years after changing their approach Edited March 29, 2021 by New guy vijaydude 1 Link to comment
GeeGaw Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, New guy said: Why not when others countries didn't even do that? New Zealand is equally aggressive which is why they could tie. And as quoted above, before 2015, for 45 years, England could only chase 300 successfully twice. After changing approach in 2015, they have already chased 300+ successfully 10 times. This includes 3 300 + chases against Australian attack, 4 340 + chasez against attack of new zealand, Pakistan and west indies So they have 5 times the success in 5 years than they had in previous 45 years after changing their approach That’s a lot of words trying to justify hack batting that just lost a series against India’s B team bowlers when this vaunted batting attack had the more favorable batting conditions in all three matches. Since we’re talking about facts and stuff. And vaunted England batting attack also lost their previous ODI series at home against Australia. They were lucky to not get whitewashed in that series. Edited March 29, 2021 by GeeGaw Link to comment
New guy Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 1 hour ago, GeeGaw said: That’s a lot of words trying to justify hack batting that just lost a series against India’s B team bowlers when this vaunted batting attack had the more favorable batting conditions in all three matches. Since we’re talking about facts and stuff. And vaunted England batting attack also lost their previous ODI series at home against Australia. They were lucky to not get whitewashed in that series. So cold hard facts and numbers are lots of words? You are clearly arguing in bad faith now. Even the all powerful Aussies lost some series and odi series in india Dude bhuvi went at 4.6, shami would have leaked runs like no tomorrow. Bumrah is not in form. So much for B team And in the end irs the attitude which counts. Cowardly cricket wins you no trophies Link to comment
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