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2 hours ago, goose said:

A failure with this approach is on par with the other approach.

Yeah, my conclusion

 

With slow approach - Worst case scenario (Team collapses after slow start) final score = 280. Best case scenario (Middle order and finishers go berserk) - 330

 

With fast approach - Worst case scenario - (Team collapses and slows down after fast start) = 325. Best case scenario (Middle order and finishers go berserk) - 375+

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While I was very disappointed with the bowling of Natarajan esp - I will give the bowling a little bit of a pass. They have defended against one of the best LOI batting units in difficult conditions and a small ground 2 times out of 3. I don't think this England lineup would have been in the game in even 1 of the 3 games had they bowled first. 

 

So well done to Team BCCI to have defended slightly under-par scores. In this game we started well - couldn't have asked for better than a start of ~7 rpo with 0 wickets down till almost the 20th over. A bit of a shame our tail couldn't play out the overs to get at least 350. 

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Couple of serious concerns -

 

Our batsmen can't bowl while our bowlers cant hold bat. This started as a culture 10 years back and now widespread at domestic level. Even those who used to bowl stops bowling after reaching superstar status(Kohli, Rohit) and this is now a template for all young batsmen. Likewise our bowlers are not just bad batsmen but also completely lacks any application in 22 yards. This is one major difference between us and other top cricketing nations and this lack of balance is reason to play half cooked playere like Krunal which further compounds the overall problem.

 

We already know our culture of safe and steady start is outdated but now this has become infectious like viral disease. Kohli who used to be a brisk starter(not hitter) is now a different player and all signs are KL is also influenced by this approach. 

 

If we don't sort these out we are not going to win anything.

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We are going to win more matches than we lose with this approach.

Knockout matches require some luck.

Is Kohli going thru a bad phase which happens to every great batsman is the bigger question. If he and Rohit can be themselves till 2023 World Cup then they just need to find complimentary players around them plus find bowlers especially spinners who can take wickets.


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9 hours ago, putrevus said:

Top three still are the heart and soul of this team. Has this series showed anything different. Pant went @ 192 SR but only 125 at number 4.

Getting better bowlers is easier way to improve this team.


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You have to be deluded here. You really thing finishers can hit at 192 every time? Stokes hit 200 previous match but not this match at same position 

 

Even if we agree to your retarded point, 

The conclusion is that pant starts at 125 but can accelerate to 192. Top three start at 50 strike rate and later score at 130.  Final pant strike rate >125, final top 3 strike rate 90 to 110

 

So pant needs more  balls to play not less

 

See, Sometimes an argument is lost, you cannot always be right, so you just need to give up rather than do this child like ridiculous leaps of logic which makes no sense to even a 10 year old and makes you a laughing stock to adults 

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7 hours ago, putrevus said:

We are going to win more matches than we lose with this approach.

Knockout matches require some luck.

Is Kohli going thru a bad phase which happens to every great batsman is the bigger question. If he and Rohit can be themselves till 2023 World Cup then they just need to find complimentary players around them plus find bowlers especially spinners who can take wickets.


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England won the world cup with their approach. They have chased 300+ 10 times in the last 5+ years with 5 being over 350 with their approach (before that in entire history they only chased 300 successfuly twice) . We won lota cups with our approach 

 

Keep being deluded and digging your own grave and being a laughing stock 

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11 hours ago, putrevus said:

Top three still are the heart and soul of this team. Has this series showed anything different. Pant went @ 192 SR but only 125 at number 4.

Getting better bowlers is easier way to improve this team.


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If every batsman score at 120, you get 360.

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Opening with Rahul could be key to this, he is the only opener who can strike at 100 + from the outset. Dhawan can start briskly but not at England level beserkness...for all his sterling ODI service, is it time to bid him farewell? 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Sooda said:

Opening with Rahul could be key to this, he is the only opener who can strike at 100 + from the outset. Dhawan can start briskly but not at England level beserkness...for all his sterling ODI service, is it time to bid him farewell? 

 

 

 

at open he bats like rahane, actually rahane also bats faster in PP then rahul has in ODIs. Rahul is best at 5 , shudnt be touched . Actually shud be only send after 30 overs, u give him to much time he starts wasting it 

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7 minutes ago, GeeGaw said:

Fixed for accuracy.  Not exactly a ringing endorsement for their approach. 

100% agree. It is a glorified Afridi approach that is bound to fail more than it succeeds. Just biffing the ball from 1st over is good for T20s, in ODIs if there are good bowlers and a decent fielding side, you will be looking at 200/ 6 at 30 over mark a lot. From there, you may get to 350 or be bundles out for 280.. 

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1 hour ago, kruiser said:

100% agree. It is a glorified Afridi approach that is bound to fail more than it succeeds. Just biffing the ball from 1st over is good for T20s, in ODIs if there are good bowlers and a decent fielding side, you will be looking at 200/ 6 at 30 over mark a lot. From there, you may get to 350 or be bundles out for 280.. 

Once again, in 45 years, from 1971 to 2015, England only successfully chased 300 twice

 

 

From 2015 onwards, they have chased 300 successfully 10 times, with 4 above 350, including against Pakistan, New Zealand and west indies. They have successfully chased over 300 3 times against Aus attack 

 

These are cold hard facts. In just 5 years, 5 time the success of 45 years before 

 

 

This is like the coming of automobiles. Those who still believe in horses will be left far behind 

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1 hour ago, GeeGaw said:

Fixed for accuracy.  Not exactly a ringing endorsement for their approach. 

Why not when others countries didn't even do that? New Zealand is equally aggressive which is why they could tie. 

 

And as quoted above, before 2015, for 45 years, England could only chase 300 successfully twice. After changing approach in 2015, they have already chased 300+ successfully 10 times. This includes 3 300 + chases against Australian attack, 4 340 + chasez against attack of new zealand, Pakistan and west indies 

 

So they have 5 times the success in 5 years than they had in previous 45 years after changing their approach 

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2 hours ago, New guy said:

Why not when others countries didn't even do that? New Zealand is equally aggressive which is why they could tie. 

 

And as quoted above, before 2015, for 45 years, England could only chase 300 successfully twice. After changing approach in 2015, they have already chased 300+ successfully 10 times. This includes 3 300 + chases against Australian attack, 4 340 + chasez against attack of new zealand, Pakistan and west indies 

 

So they have 5 times the success in 5 years than they had in previous 45 years after changing their approach 

That’s a lot of words trying to justify hack batting that just lost a series against India’s B team bowlers when this vaunted batting attack had the more favorable batting conditions in all three matches. Since we’re talking about facts and stuff. 
 

And vaunted England batting attack also lost their previous ODI series at home against Australia. They were lucky to not get whitewashed in that series. 

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1 hour ago, GeeGaw said:

That’s a lot of words trying to justify hack batting that just lost a series against India’s B team bowlers when this vaunted batting attack had the more favorable batting conditions in all three matches. Since we’re talking about facts and stuff. 
 

And vaunted England batting attack also lost their previous ODI series at home against Australia. They were lucky to not get whitewashed in that series. 

So cold hard facts and numbers are lots of words? You are clearly arguing in bad faith now. Even the all powerful Aussies lost some series and odi series in india 

 

Dude bhuvi went at 4.6, shami would have leaked runs like no tomorrow. Bumrah is not in form. So much for B team 

 

And in the end irs the attitude which counts. Cowardly cricket wins you no trophies 

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