Zero test wins in SENA from 1986 to 2002, 4 SENA wins in the last 250 days

[Gollum]

1986 India tour of Eng 2-0

2002 India tour of Eng 1-1

 

In between those 2 successful tours we drew blank in SENA and Pak. Win each in Port of Spain, Dhaka, Colombo, Kandy and Bulawayo.

 

Dig deeper and stats are even more shocking LINK

From 10 July 1986 to 21 Aug 2002

Played 8 matches in Aus, lost 7 and drew 1

Played 8 matches in Eng, lost 3 and drew 5

Played 6 matches in NZ, lost 2 and drew 4

Played 9 matches in RSA, lost 4 and drew 5

Played 14 matches in WI, won 1, lost 6, drew 7

Played 4 matches in Zim, won 1, lost 2, drew 1

Played 9 matches in Lanka, won 2, lost 2, drew 5

Played 4 matches in Pak, drew 4

Played 1 match in Bangladesh, won it...their inaugural test

 

5-26 away

4-26 if you exclude Bangla which was more of an experiment

 

Forget SENAW....we had an equal record in Lanka (they were test minnows before 96-97), and trailed in Zimbabwe. 

 

Post pink ball disaster

2020 MCG win

2021 Gabba win

2021 Lord's win

2021 Oval win

 

Not forgetting the great escape in Sydney, probably our greatest draw. 

 

We have come a long way indeed 

[kohli]

6 minutes ago, Gollum said:

1986 India tour of Eng 2-0

2002 India tour of Eng 1-1

 

In between those 2 successful tours we drew blank in SENA and Pak. Win each in Port of Spain, Dhaka, Colombo, Kandy and Bulawayo.

 

Dig deeper and stats are even more shocking LINK

From 10 July 1986 to 21 Aug 2002

Played 8 matches in Aus, lost 7 and drew 1

Played 8 matches in Eng, lost 3 and drew 5

Played 6 matches in NZ, lost 2 and drew 4

Played 9 matches in RSA, lost 4 and drew 5

Played 14 matches in WI, won 1, lost 6, drew 7

Played 4 matches in Zim, won 1, lost 2, drew 1

Played 9 matches in Lanka, won 2, lost 2, drew 5

Played 4 matches in Pak, drew 4

Played 1 match in Bangladesh, won it...their inaugural test

 

5-26 away

4-26 if you exclude Bangla which was more of an experiment

 

Forget SENAW....we had an equal record in Lanka (they were test minnows before 96-97), and trailed in Zimbabwe. 

 

Post pink ball disaster

2020 MCG win

2021 Gabba win

2021 Lord's win

2021 Oval win

 

Not forgetting the great escape in Sydney, probably our greatest draw. 

 

We have come a long way indeed 

Napier  2009 is still our best draw .

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

shastri is doing something good...these team is coming back from not to so great situation to winning test again n again ...that just doesnt take skill but also a mindset 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, kohli said:

Napier  2009 is still our best draw .

 

Nah Sydney was way better

2 injured batsman - one cant run and other has back issues ...then they are given body blows

One guy has failed in australia 

Other one is not even a proper batsman ...he is a bowler who can bat 

 

vs Cummins, starc, Lyon, hazelwood 

Edited September 6, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03

[AuxiliA]

Forget about SENA, for 14 years we had just 1 away test victory. Yes, one away test victory in 14 *ing years!!

 

That too in pre '96 SL. Didn't even win in Zimbabwe. 

 

[jalebi_bhai]

It's a combo of us getting better overall and some of the traditional powerhouses getter weaker in the batting departments especially over the last 5 years or so. 

 

No disrespect to our boys and their achievements on this tour, but this England batting line up is not fit enough to even lace the boots of the 2011 England batting line up.

[G_B_]

I think we finally have the bowlers to compete overseas.

 

 

[Jay]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Nah Sydney was way better

2 injured batsman - one cant run and other has back issues ...then they are given body blows

One guy has failed in australia 

Other one is not even a proper batsman ...he is a bowler who can bat 

 

vs Cummins, starc, Lyon, hazelwood 

And lol Napier bowling. Scott styris Tuffey and some fodders. 

[Jay]

4 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

It's a combo of us getting better overall and some of the traditional powerhouses getter weaker in the batting departments especially over the last 5 years or so. 

 

No disrespect to our boys and their achievements on this tour, but this England batting line up is not fit enough to even lace the boots of the 2011 England batting line up.

Our batting is even worse. So evens out. 

Edited September 7, 2021 by Jay

[Frustrated]

Chokli may never win any icc tournament for us, but he has created an environment in which pace bowlers in tests are flourishing.  And it is reflecting in our SENA wins. (Not taking any credit away from bowling coach) Whereas Dhoni was mostly content with trundlers operating at 120 speed.   Yes, he won us crucial icc tournaments but his test captaincy was abysmal.  

[DeepSpace]

This team has done which no other previous teams have done before despite having ATGs in the team like SRT, Dravid, Laxman, Kumble, etc.

 

Winning requires mindset as much as talent.

Edited September 7, 2021 by DeepSpace

[rkt.india]

6 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

It's a combo of us getting better overall and some of the traditional powerhouses getter weaker in the batting departments especially over the last 5 years or so. 

 

No disrespect to our boys and their achievements on this tour, but this England batting line up is not fit enough to even lace the boots of the 2011 England batting line up.

Comparison with 90s. England batting was same then too.

[New guy]

1 hour ago, DeepSpace said:

This team has done which no other previous teams have done before despite having ATGs in the team like SRT, Dravid, Laxman, Kumble, etc.

 

Winning requires mindset as much as talent.

Nope it requires fast bowling. We havent lost a SINGLE match where we scored 300 in first innings since 2015.  This team still rarely scores 300. That team used to score 300 overseas for fun,  with this bowling they wohld rule 

 

Its telling all ATG you listed are batsmen or spinners, not a single fast bowler

[rollingstoned]

we should cherish this as Indian fans as long as it lasts, saying we need to prepare green pitches and develop a fast bowling culture - padosis scoffing about a lack of red meat in diet - was a cliched take whenever we couldn't win away from home. of course it didn't happen overnight, we are reaping what was sowed almost 2 decades back from ganguly's time. 

[DeepSpace]

1 hour ago, New guy said:

Nope it requires fast bowling. We havent lost a SINGLE match where we scored 300 in first innings since 2015.  This team still rarely scores 300. That team used to score 300 overseas for fun,  with this bowling they wohld rule 

 

Its telling all ATG you listed are batsmen or spinners, not a single fast bowler

We had Zaheer and Srinath, although not in the calibre of Bumrah but we’re pretty good bowlers. Mindset is absolutely important. You can have team brimming with talent but do not win tough games. See that in American sports all the time.

[New guy]

1 hour ago, DeepSpace said:

We had Zaheer and Srinath, although not in the calibre of Bumrah but we’re pretty good bowlers. Mindset is absolutely important. You can have team brimming with talent but do not win tough games. See that in American sports all the time.

So bowlers averaging 32 is similar to a bowler averaging 22? Yeah and rahane is almost like bradman.  Every single fast bowler we have today is averaging below 28 and way below that if you take last 2-3 years. Even bhuvi averages 27. All rounder Thakur averages 22 with ball. Our spinners average below 25

 

Those days not a single fast bowlers averaged below 30 and even our spinners like kumble averaged almost 30.

 

Also even bumrah couldn't win a single test without support from shami or Yadav or siraj

 

I.will repeat the point you ignored..since 2015, India hasnt lost a SINGLE test where we socred 300 batting first, that batting attack used to acore 300 for fun overseas. They would have won way more matches 

Edited September 7, 2021 by New guy

[ShoonyaSifar]

1 hour ago, DeepSpace said:

We had Zaheer and Srinath, although not in the calibre of Bumrah but we’re pretty good bowlers. Mindset is absolutely important. You can have team brimming with talent but do not win tough games. See that in American sports all the time.

Which is why we won a test in Zim, WI and Eng within 18 months in 2001-02 after going an entire decade without winning an away test. Even after Srinath's retirement, we won a test in Australia, went onto win a series in Zimbabwe (considerably weaker side than 2001 though) and WI (2006), drew in SA (2006-07), ultimately winning series in England (2007) and NZ (2009) and coming so very close to winning in Aus but for Bucknor (2007-08). Was due to plenty of very good seamers (Zaheer, Nehra, Sreesanth, Irfan, Munaf, Balaji, RP, Agarkar, a young Ishant - they all played their part)

 

Our away record in the 2000s was 19 wins and 19 losses, only slightly behind SA in away tests in that cycle. Imagine going from 0 away wins in the 1990s to 19 away test wins (including vs WI and BD). We in fact regressed in the next decade of 2010s with 19 wins and 25 losses.

 

In Aus in 2018-19 and 2020-21 and now in England, we are only seeing a trend reversal.

[DeepSpace]

7 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Which is why we won a test in Zim, WI and Eng within 18 months in 2001-02 after going an entire decade without winning an away test. Even after Srinath's retirement, we won a test in Australia, went onto win a series in Zimbabwe (considerably weaker side than 2001 though) and WI (2006), drew in SA (2006-07), ultimately winning series in England (2007) and NZ (2009) and coming so very close to winning in Aus but for Bucknor (2007-08). Was due to plenty of very good seamers (Zaheer, Nehra, Sreesanth, Irfan, Munaf, Balaji, RP, Agarkar, a young Ishant - they all played their part)

 

Our away record in the 2000s was 19 wins and 19 losses, only slightly behind SA in away tests in that cycle. Imagine going from 0 away wins in the 1990s to 19 away test wins (including vs WI and BD). We in fact regressed in the next decade of 2010s with 19 wins and 25 losses.

 

In Aus in 2018-19 and 2020-21 and now in England, we are only seeing a trend reversal.

We had this bowling side since 2016, but lost on SA and in England. To say that self belief, determination, proper leadership and proper mindset does not count is foolish. Sure, without talent no one of those attributes will matter. A stupid with determination does not get anywhere. But there are plenty of examples in just life to indicate talent alone does guarantee success.

[cricketfan28]

We have to credit IPL as well.

[neel roy]

On 9/6/2021 at 5:23 PM, Gollum said:

Played 8 matches in Aus, lost 7 and drew 1

Should have won In Adelaide. Fantastic chase. We fell short by 30 odd runs. 1992 series

Had a chance to win at sydney 92 as well. Shastri 206. Warne debut. 

On 9/6/2021 at 5:23 PM, Gollum said:

Played 14 matches in WI, won 1, lost 6, drew 7

Should have won chasing 120 in Barbados. That loss still rankles. How could we lose that after taking first innings lead

 

On 9/6/2021 at 5:23 PM, Gollum said:

Played 9 matches in RSA, lost 4 and drew 5

Joberg 1996. The making of Dravid. Fantastic  century. Winning position spoiled by cullinan and rain. ( Rain actually has robbed us of 4 sena victories. 1. Joberg 96  2. Nz 2008 last test when dhoni for dumb reason gave nz 600 to chase when 425 would have been enough) 3. Sydney 2018 4. Trentbridge 2021.
 

Rain has on other hand only saved us from losing in SENA in just ONE MATCH .. lords 2007 though I would credit bucknor more)

On 9/6/2021 at 5:23 PM, Gollum said:

Played 4 matches in Zim, won 1, lost 2, drew 1

Shame we couldn’t chase 260 odd in 4th innings in one of the test we lost. 
 

All from memory*