Too much wokeism and activism, little cricket plagues Indian Cricket Team

[goose]

12 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Absolutely nothing wrong with this or support for the BLM movement. But when you perform worse than associate nations, questions are bound to be raised about the focus of the captain and the motivation level of the team. The meek surrender followed poor body language (of the entire team), a palpable fear on the field and clueless leadership.

 

The reactions would have even more sharper (I donnot condone any but of abuses or threats) if the WC was played in front of home fans, as initially scheduled.

 

he a populist leader. to quote ex politician Michael Heseltine commenting on our current PM Boris Johnson, he waits to see which way the crowd is running, then dashes in front. there's no actual substance to the man. no conviction. just a determination to get ahead. anyway i digress. his comments on Shami at the press conference were impressive i thought. i can see why it grates with some though. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

6 minutes ago, goose said:

he a populist leader. to quote ex politician Michael Heseltine commenting on our current PM Boris Johnson, he waits to see which way the crowd is running, then dashes in front. there's no actual substance to the man. no conviction. just a determination to get ahead. anyway i digress. his comments on Shami at the press conference were impressive i thought. i can see why it grates with some though. 

It indeed was but dare I say it was laden with loads of hypocrisy. His own PR trolls abused Dan Christian's pregnant wife post IPL just 2 weeks back. Likewise Raina, Jadeja, Rohit yesterday have faced vilest of casteist abuses. There was not even a murmur of protest or support from RCB/ India captain. 

 

Religious/casteist/gender based all kinds of abuses should be strictly no go. Clearly Kohli feels only the religious taunts and abuses are to be condemned. In other cases, he goes quiet or enables the abuse through his vile and abusive PR trolls.

 

[New guy]

17 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

Too much wokeism and activism is plaguing the team. Bollywood PR type acts has really hurt this team badly.

 

Kohli needs to be removed from captaincy and team must be told to strictly concentrate on cricket or else they will be dropped.

 

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What wokism was there when we lost in 2012, in 2014, in 2016, in 2019?

 

People citing wokism and activism are no different than the pakistanis claiming islam superiority and sajdas based on one win 

 

Basically opprortunistic vultures who are using this loss to drive their heinous right wing agenda 

 

People who really believe a   5 second gesture for humanity caused this loss need their mental health checked

 

Many posters i once respected have shown their true colors. Imagine being such a low human being you throw a fit at a 5 second gesture for humanity and blane us losing on that. Despicable 

 

Basically right wing troll farm have given them their marching order and narrative and like good little brain washed cult, they repeat it everywhere 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by New guy

[New guy]

22 minutes ago, goose said:

he a populist leader. to quote ex politician Michael Heseltine commenting on our current PM Boris Johnson, he waits to see which way the crowd is running, then dashes in front. there's no actual substance to the man. no conviction. just a determination to get ahead. anyway i digress. his comments on Shami at the press conference were impressive i thought. i can see why it grates with some though. 

Dude this country has a populist, no substance leader as the prime minister.  Elected soley on basis of empty promises and big speeches

 

You cannot blame sportsperson for trying to gi the same way

[New guy]

12 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Absolutely nothing wrong with this or support for the BLM movement. But when you perform worse than associate nations, questions are bound to be raised about the focus of the captain and the motivation level of the team. The meek surrender followed poor body language (of the entire team), a palpable fear on the field and clueless leadership.

 

The reactions would have even more sharper (I donnot condone any sort of abuses or threats) if the WC was played in front of home fans, as initially scheduled.

 

We haev lost matches when we wore pink ribbons etc. Not a single time have i seen anyoje blaming a 5 second gesture for thosr defeats. Many have accepted we would lose this wt20 because kohli is a bad captain

 

There is only one reason for people like OP suddenly now using wokism, etc as excuse for loss based on a 5 second gestruee

 

Its because right wing socila media has given them their marching orders. The rigth  wing has already capptured all media and social media. Their next target is Bollywood and sports, two things which drive passion in india

 

So their brainwashed cult members have been given marching orders on what narrative to spread here,  how to attack both.

 

suddenly intelligent people really believe personal drug use is one of the most heinous crome. Suddebly intelligent people believe a 5 second bumane gedture is what caused us to lose focus 

 

The brainwashing is complete

 

Once this is done, and sports and bollywood and TV captured,  the dictatorship will be complete and there is no coming back. India can slip backwards and backwards but we will forever have onky one government and no democracy 

Edited November 1, 2021 by New guy

[ShoonyaSifar]

9 minutes ago, New guy said:

We haev lost matches when we wore pink ribbons etc. Not a single time have i seen anyoje blaming a 5 second gesture for thosr defeats. Many have accepted we would lose this wt20 because kohli is a bad captain

 

There is only one reason for people like OP suddenly now using wokism, etc as excuse for loss based on a 5 second gestruee

 

Its because right wing socila media has given them their marching orders. The rigth  wing has already capptured all media and social media. Their next target is Bollywood and sports, two things which drive passion in india

 

So their brainwashed cult members have been given marching orders on what narrative to spread here,  how to attack both. Once this is done the dictatorship will be complete and there is no coming back

Not sure what exactly you are on about. But I'll still try to respond.

 

Do you mean to say because India took the knee or Kohli supported Shami, he is above criticism now? We are a nation where sports fans burnt down a stadium in 1996, physically attacked players homes in 2003 or 2007, threw rotten eggs and tomatoes against non-performance. Players effigies being burnt was a common scene in 90s and 2000s. Did you wake up only in recent years? 

 

BTW most cricketers have been the targets of the left liberal class for being jingoists and promoting nationalism. Liberals have always celebrated India's losses as in their world view our wins add to nationalism. Not sure what takeover you're talking about.

Edited November 1, 2021 by ShoonyaSifar

[goose]

18 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

It indeed was but dare I say it was laden with loads of hypocrisy. His own PR trolls abused Dan Christian's pregnant wife post IPL just 2 weeks back. Likewise Raina, Jadeja, Rohit yesterday have faced vilest of casteist abuses. There was not even a murmur of protest or support from RCB/ India captain. 

 

Religious/casteist/gender based all kinds of abuses should be strictly no go. Clearly Kohli feels only the religious taunts and abuses are to be condemned. In other cases, he goes quiet or enables the abuse through his vile and abusive PR trolls.

 

 

how is it hypocrisy? you can't expect him to take up every single cause. he's not a politician. i think it's safe to assume his views on caste based hate would be similar.

 

[New guy]

6 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Not sure what exactly you are on about. But I'll still try to respond.

 

Do you mean to say because India took the knee or Kohli supported Shami, he is above criticism now? We are a nation where sports fans burnt down a stadium in 1996, physically attacked players homes in 2003 or 2007, threw rotten eggs and tomatoes against non-performance. Players effigies being burnt was a common scene in 90s and 2000s. Did you wake up only in recent years? 

Again, blame them for cricketing failure. Claiming they lost because of a 5 second gesture is mental illness.

 

90% of new threads after our pakistani loss were talking about wokeism, taking knee etc and not a single one spoke about cricketing rwasons 

 

People like OP are not saying they lost because they were weak etc. They are using this opportunity to drive their own political agenda and propaganda. Which is very similar to some pakistanis doing it after our loss

 

If you claim india lost because they took the knee, pakistanis are also right in saying we lost because our players didn't do sajda

Edited November 1, 2021 by New guy

[New guy]

3 minutes ago, goose said:

 

how is it hypocrisy? you can't expect him to take up every single cause. he's not a politician. i think it's safe to assume his views on caste based hate would be similar.

 

It's like saying those who spread awareness about cancer are hypocrites as they didnt spread awareness about AIDS. basically a straw man

[ShoonyaSifar]

1 minute ago, goose said:

 

how is it hypocrisy? you can't expect him to take up every single cause. he's not a politician. i think it's safe to assume his views on caste based hate would be similar.

 

Someone who is super active on social media giving casteist abuses or attacks on his team mate's pregnant wife a pass looks deliberate to me. The least he could do is to rein in his abusive PR trolls. Ask Gavaskar how this gang targetted him for a remark made in jest last year. One tweet/ IG post/ message could end it all from these trolls.

 

But then to each his own.

[Number]

Completely agree with this legend

 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

8 minutes ago, New guy said:

It's like saying those who spread awareness about cancer are hypocrites as they didnt spread awareness about AIDS. basically a straw man

If you contribute to enablelingà spread of cancer and then take a moral high ground, your hypocrisy will be called out.

 

The most abusive cricketer of all times, who has made gender based abuses mainstream in cricket on the field through his boorish personal behaviour and off the field through his PR trolls cannot and should not be put on a higher moral pedestal.

Edited November 1, 2021 by ShoonyaSifar

[ShoonyaSifar]

8 minutes ago, New guy said:

Again, blame them for cricketing failure. Claiming they lost because of a 5 second gesture is mental illness.

 

90% of new threads after our pakistani loss were talking about wokeism, taking knee etc and not a single one spoke about cricketing rwasons 

 

People like OP are not saying they lost because they were weak etc. They are using this opportunity to drive their own political agenda and propaganda. Which is very similar to some pakistanis doing it after our loss

 

If you claim india lost because they took the knee, pakistanis are also right in saying we lost because our players didn't do sajda

If you wear tinted glasses you will see only what you want to see. At least don't put such blatant lies which can easily be called out.

[IndianRenegade]

Too much is being made out of this woke stuff. May be the first match with Pak, the taking the knee stuff seemed to be a bit unplanned with a Rohit negotiating with babbar.

 

Apart from that, this has become routine, almost every team does it now. I don’t believe india is exclusively being affected by a woke syndrome. Whatever is happening is much more related to the form & ability of our team rather than how woke they are. 
 

let’s stop embarrassing ourselves, the team needs a revamp, Kohli should no longer be the leader for cricketing reasons not because he is woke. 

[goose]

there is nothing wrong with being woke. the word has been misappropriated by the far right, and very successfully. anti-woke has become 'code' to enable those with racist / bigoted / divisive views to come together, particularly on social media, under one palatable sounding banner. that is not to say some good people are not in this camp. but all the bad ones are in there with them

Edited November 1, 2021 by goose

[addicted4444]

Completely illogical post. England is clearly the most “woke” team in this tournament. Their best player (and probably the best player in the world) isn’t playing because they instituted a mental health policy, which was slammed as wokeness for over a year now. 
 

They continue to look like the best team by far. Mostly because of their wokeness. 
 

South Africa literally has a team selected on the basis of social policy. Even they are looking far more competent than India and have good wins under their belt. 
 

The problem with India is that we have a captain who makes the team lesser than the sum of its parts. Sometimes the parts are good enough that they can still win. Very often they aren’t. This is the polar opposite of a team like New Zealand, for example, which under Kane Williamson always is far greater than the sum of its parts. 
 

The fairly obvious proof of this is the Indian team in the tour of Australia and the marked difference in the team under Kohli and Rahane, despite the fact that they were running on fumes under Rahane.
 

The more long term evidence of this is RCB which never looks to threaten in the IPL under Kohli despite having star studded teams. 
 

And then, 1 last piece of evidence, which isn’t so conclusive, but is damning nonetheless, was Kohli talking about the pressure of playing for India when they know that there are so many people watching. Are you seriously telling me that Lords being filled with 80% Indians when India is playing England works against Indian players? That’s the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever heard. 
 

It might be fair for a young player who isn’t used to it, but this team is stacked with experience. WTF is Kohli doing blaming the pressure of having supporters?

[vayuu1]

3 hours ago, goose said:

there is nothing wrong with being woke. the word has been misappropriated by the far right, and very successfully. anti-woke has become 'code' to enable those with racist / bigoted / divisive views to come together, particularly on social media, under one palatable sounding banner. that is not to say some good people are not in this camp. but all the bad ones are in there with them

Correct ,i think liberandu is a more apt word and anushka is a libbi

[coffee_rules]

yes, if they are winning. people will tolerate all tamasha. When they lose horribly, the sermons about how to celebrate Hindu festivals will get the treatment it deserves

[dial_100]

52 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

yes, if they are winning. people will tolerate all tamasha. When they lose horribly, the sermons about how to celebrate Hindu festivals will get the treatment it deserves

 

+1. Couldnt have said it better myself. 

 

 

[Vilander]

23 hours ago, Suhaan said:

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