Austin 3:!6 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 There was a time when every IPL team used to be filled with superstars. But this season I see lots of mediocre players in each and every team. This has happened because: 1) Addition of 2 new teams has spread the players. 2) Many top international stars have opted out from this season 3) Clueless franchise owners in Auction If they have increased the number of teams, they should have increased the quota of foreign players. Now every team has lots of mediocre domestic players. Who could have imagined few years ago that likes of Mayank Agarwal will be captaining an IPL side. IPL is looking bang below quality this year first time since its inception in 2008. Once again greed of BCCI is bringing down its own product. rollingstoned, sensible-indian and I6MTW 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Too soon to write the epitaph? Let's see two seasons down the line how weak/competitive the league remains. And then pass a verdict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin 3:!6 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Too soon to write the epitaph? Let's see two seasons down the line how weak/competitive the league remains. And then pass a verdict. For eg - Mumbai Indians used to be a team filled with superstars before like DeKock, Pandya, Boult etc. all playing together. Now they all got split due to 2 new teams. Quantity does not mean Quality Edited March 27, 2022 by Austin 3:!6 sage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Toh kya karey babu bhaiya Rudali bula len? Austin 3:!6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Too soon to write the epitaph? Let's see two seasons down the line how weak/competitive the league remains. And then pass a verdict. There is no chance of teams getting reduced, addition was inevitable LSG ,KKR had messed up their bidding, nothing to do with quality afterall its matter of fielding your best xi Edited March 27, 2022 by Suhaan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 It was expected unless 5 international players are allowed in an 11 Better to look at teams from the perspective of form of players and key 7-9 performers Austin 3:!6 and Ankit_sharma03 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, zen said: It was expected unless 5 international players are allowed in an 11 Better to look at teams from the perspective of form of players and key 7-9 performers yup the only way was to allow 5 overseas zen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, zen said: It was expected unless 5 international players are allowed in an 11 Better to look at teams from the perspective of form of players and key 7-9 performers They don't have 4 good international players, you are talking about 5. Teams are forced to play likes of Sams and Willey. rollingstoned, vvvslaxman, Suhaan and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 minute ago, rkt.india said: They don't have 4 good international players, you are talking about 5. Teams are forced to play likes of Sams and Willey. It is all relatively speaking - how good a Sams or a Willey is versus a Ankit Rajpoot or a Khaleel Ahmed (or the 10th-11th domestic pick in the 11). Similarly for batting ... Many international players are even missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan AF Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Agree in principle with OP. And to add to that, we have a much larger problem where in which we have failed to qualify in 4 out of 6 World T20 tournaments since IPL's inception. That is a nasty strike rate. Austin 3:!6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl_out Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 I don't think it is because of 4 or 5 overseas players. There is only so many high quality players. As you expand teams, quality gets spread around and there will be some sub-quality players in every team. So you'll always get 1-2 bowlers to target and more drop catches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickydev Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 I think right now we will see the quality go down, but in the long run it will be for the better as more younger Indian players get exposure and raise their level. It had to be done at some point. Key thing is the younger players getting that game time rather than the has-beens. nevada and Hell Raiser 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 8 hours ago, Stan AF said: Agree in principle with OP. And to add to that, we have a much larger problem where in which we have failed to qualify in 4 out of 6 World T20 tournaments since IPL's inception. That is a nasty strike rate. It has nothing to do with IPL inception. It is most definitely not a coincidence that the only T20 WC that India has won, it did so with a team and squad composed of a younger captain, and several 'established seniors resting'. That right there is the key. T20 is a high risk high reward version of the game, even ODIs have evolved that way and Indian batting culture has always been about minimizing risks, especially at the individual level for 'established seniors'. This is not a problem because of "IPL inception" its a selection, management and leadership problem that would have existed even if the IPL did not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 10 hours ago, zen said: It was expected unless 5 international players are allowed in an 11 Better to look at teams from the perspective of form of players and key 7-9 performers 9 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: yup the only way was to allow 5 overseas Most definitely NOT. International players aren't magically better in 'quality'. Expected better from some of you guys. In fact, the player pool is robust enough to support a further expansion to 12 teams - provided its coupled with allowing greenbros into the auction. I don't support either of those things for many a year to come, so that's a tangent we can set aside. But complaining about "quality" is knee jerk, and simply inaccurate. Rantzz and nevada 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, sandeep said: International players aren't magically better in 'quality'. Expected better from some of you guys. It depends upon a team, which would want an option to play 5 international players. 5 international players is 50 players in playing 11s across 10 teams, which is just 10 more (and when you know that many talented international players are sitting out - for e.g. in LSG, a Chemeera could miss out for a Rajput,; in PK, a Rajapaksa could have to sit out for a domestic or a has been Indian player; in RR, an RVD or a Hetmeyer or a Neesham or a NCN may need to sit out, and so on) The international players come from many countries including AFG and Zim, therefore 4-5 top players from each country offers a better quality pool than 70 (7 in the playing 12 across 10 teams) players just from India (and when its national team itself isn’t a world beater and it can struggle to make 6 competitive teams out of the 70 players) PS if the goal is to create the best T20 league in the world, there should not be even any restrictions. Talent from everywhere would need to improve itself to be picked up by an IPL team Edited March 28, 2022 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 I think it's not all bad... Younger players will get more opportunity. Might turn out to be a blessing in disguise. nevada 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 9 hours ago, zen said: PS if the goal is to create the best T20 league in the world, there should not be even any restrictions. Talent from everywhere would need to improve itself to be picked up by an IPL team The goal is also to ensure primacy for Indian talent - that the league is structured in such a way to maximize financial compensation for local talent, incentivize it to promote and develop local talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, sandeep said: The goal is also to ensure primacy for Indian talent - that the league is structured in such a way to maximize financial compensation for local talent, incentivize it to promote and develop local talent. There are multiple ways to do that including channeling revenues from IPL properly, enhancing other domestic competitions, etc. If players are picked by teams without considering their nationalities, it can also motivate players to improve (For e.g. a Bhuvi is picked because he is really good not because a team needs to fill certain Indian quota and Bhuvi happens to be a decent option among Indian players) In short, there is no one way to do things (there are countries that have no IPL but stronger teams in various formats) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rantzz Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 11 hours ago, sandeep said: Most definitely NOT. International players aren't magically better in 'quality'. Expected better from some of you guys. In fact, the player pool is robust enough to support a further expansion to 12 teams - provided its coupled with allowing greenbros into the auction. I don't support either of those things for many a year to come, so that's a tangent we can set aside. But complaining about "quality" is knee jerk, and simply inaccurate. agreed on international players not being better. small sample size but all 3 games this weekend were won by teams playing fewer international players kkr (3) beat csk (4) delhi (2) beat Bombay (4) punjab (3) beat rcb (4) sandeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 14 years of IPL and counting, but still the ghar ki murghi daal baraabar syndrome not abating. How many useless Australians have been made wealthy purely due to hype - D'arcy Short anyone? So many others like him. This Daniel Sams guy is a Harshal Patel wannabe without the local knowledge and experience; he's going to get slaughtered in Asian conditions. Suhaan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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