Pant, the most backed "youngster", needs time off too to take his game to the next level!

[zen]

Pant is 24 years old and easily the most backed youngster of the current lot ... At the moment, a shoo in in all formats ... I support Pant and once he is in the 27-33 age range, he could be playing some sensational cricket.

 

At the moment, he has played 100 international games in all formats + 98 IPL games so based on playing experience, he needs to step up more or focus on certain formats till he reaches his peak (as his game has become somewhat stagnant). In Aus, guys like Hussey, Gilchrist, etc. debuted late iirc so Pant can take his time too to become a multi-format player if it is too much cricket currently to focus on improving his overall game (To be fair, his keeping needs improvements too). 

 

You do not want to turn a talented youngster into a taxi, running from one game to the next in one format to the other. Take a step back & don't keep him under pressure (a Camel's back can break with a straw) to allow him time to think about his game & constantly improve to reach his potential, allowing him to be in a better position to leverage on his good period ahead.

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by zen

[Majestic]

Straightforward one line meaning is drop him from T20 team.

[nevada]

16 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Straightforward one line meaning is drop him from T20 team.

Yup, time to look past him for this format for the foreseeable future. 

[speedheat]

Drop him, not needed this liability.

[gattaca]

If only all the people above are dropped after mistakes. T20 is high pressure someone who comes in and play 15 balls they expected to hit boundaries and sixers he should be given time to improve. Rohit sharma was called a failure before his career took off. Difference was he was persisted with even after failures. 

Edited June 17, 2022 by gattaca

[Gollum]

Concur, glad you brought some perspective @zen. We are way too harsh on a 24 yo kid, as you said Gilly and Hussey honed their skills in domestic till late 20s. Turned out well for Aus cricket!!!!

 

Pant is easily the greatest talent in Indian cricket in many many years, but too much workload, and not enough time for him to relax and think. Ok if we play him in just 2 formats in the near future, primary focus on tests and try to fix his position/responsibility in ODI setup keeping in mind the 2023 WC. T20WCs will be held way too often this decade, enough talent available (like Samson, DK), maybe Pant can be given another shot in this format in 3-4 years time. 

 

But he needs to be forced to shed the extra kilos, keeper must be the fittest and most active member of the team (like football GK), even on a slow moving day in test cricket he must do 500+ uthak baithaks, and then there is white ball cricket as well. Right now Pant's reflexes are somewhat compensating, but won't be the case as he ages. Anyway the more pressing issue is all that extra weight may just blow his knees at a young age, and once the knee goes it will be an uphill task for even the fittest and most dedicated, mentally tough athlete to play at the elite level (look at Federer's case). Knee and back, 2 areas which need special care for any professional sportsman....elbow/groin/foot etc. one can still manage with medical treatment and willpower. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

2 hours ago, gattaca said:

If only all the people above are dropped after mistakes. T20 is high pressure someone who comes in and play 15 balls they expected to hit boundaries and sixers he should be given time to improve. Rohit sharma was called a failure before his career took off. Difference was he was persisted with even after failures. 

 

Exactly, 

Pant is a generational talent and u need to back a player like this . Everyone has a weakness and his weakness of wide line has been found. This can be easily worked out in few months. Its a line and shot selection issue not a very major one. Kishen has far major issues in his game, he just has batted at open which is the best spot in t20s . 

 

Those who says he cant play t20............watch pant in IPL  from 2017-19 the man was an absolute beast 

 

About his t20i numbers

 

Ben stokes doesnt have good numbers- england wont drop him coz he is a game changer 

Yuvi avg 29 till 118 ODI yet was backed

Symonds avg 23 till 55 ODI 

Rohit sharma ODI career was in shambles till almost 70-80 ODIs 

 

And here is the big one 

 

AB de Villiers in T20Is after 40 innings: 748 runs at an average of 23 and strike rate of 122

Rishabh Pant in T20Is after 40 innings: 723 runs at an average of 23 and strike rate of 126

 

T20 is quite hard when u come in Middle, Butler was a failure in t20 till he was in middle order. 

 

 

Kishen , Samson looking better are all part of grass is greener on other side, wait till they fail same ppl will say pant is better.  U need to back such exceptional players. If ur expecting him to play aggresively have high avg, be consistent in all format at an age of 24.................all i can say is are u kidding me. 

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Also how dravid n rohit function , im certain they ll take him to Wc. Rohit is a dhoni like captain if he decides to back someone he ll back that player to end. 

 

[gattaca]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Also how dravid n rohit function , im certain they ll take him to Wc. Rohit is a dhoni like captain if he decides to back someone he ll back that player to end. 

 

Dravid and Rohit has more patience for sure compared to Shastri and Kohli. Kohli/shastri already were blaming pant when he started in the team.

[Majestic]

Against top 6 opponents,

 

Rishabh Pant

 

Average 19

Strike rate 115

Fifties 0

 

He has been extremely poor and did nothing of note to merit a place in Indian T20 team. These are Ravindra Jadeja level performance vs non minnows. 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;orderby=runs;team=6;template=results;type=batting

Edited June 18, 2022 by Majestic

[deepdynamo]

I do not think Rishab Pant is a generational talent in the league of Kohli or Rohit.

 

He is a talented player who plays attacking cricket with unorthodox technique and is highly inconsistent.

 

He hasn't even contributed in T20 let alone winning a match and that too over a sample period of 48 T20 matches.

 

I do like him in test and ODI though.

[Vijy]

8 hours ago, Gollum said:

Concur, glad you brought some perspective @zen. We are way too harsh on a 24 yo kid, as you said Gilly and Hussey honed their skills in domestic till late 20s. Turned out well for Aus cricket!!!!

 

Pant is easily the greatest talent in Indian cricket in many many years, but too much workload, and not enough time for him to relax and think. Ok if we play him in just 2 formats in the near future, primary focus on tests and try to fix his position/responsibility in ODI setup keeping in mind the 2023 WC. T20WCs will be held way too often this decade, enough talent available (like Samson, DK), maybe Pant can be given another shot in this format in 3-4 years time. 

 

But he needs to be forced to shed the extra kilos, keeper must be the fittest and most active member of the team (like football GK), even on a slow moving day in test cricket he must do 500+ uthak baithaks, and then there is white ball cricket as well. Right now Pant's reflexes are somewhat compensating, but won't be the case as he ages. Anyway the more pressing issue is all that extra weight may just blow his knees at a young age, and once the knee goes it will be an uphill task for even the fittest and most dedicated, mentally tough athlete to play at the elite level (look at Federer's case). Knee and back, 2 areas which need special care for any professional sportsman....elbow/groin/foot etc. one can still manage with medical treatment and willpower. 

well said. let him play Tests and also ODIs for now, because he did show some improvement in latter format in the 2nd half of his ODI career. In T20s, we have other options like the (mentally weak) KL or (ageing) DK.

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, Majestic said:

Against top 6 opponents,

 

Rishabh Pant

 

Average 19

Strike rate 115

Fifties 0

 

He has been extremely poor and did nothing of note to merit a place in Indian T20 team. These are Ravindra Jadeja level performance vs non minnows. 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;orderby=runs;team=6;template=results;type=batting

WI has 2 world T20 titles. they are not minnows. neither is SL. this list should be updated accordingly.

[Majestic]

54 minutes ago, Vijy said:

WI has 2 world T20 titles. they are not minnows. neither is SL. this list should be updated accordingly.

They have minnow bowling attacks. Guys like Iyer have inflated their stats thanks to SL bowling.

 

This is a better list than looking at overall stats. Rahul's stats also have been inflated by minnow bashing.

Edited June 18, 2022 by Majestic

[Lone Wolf]

22 minutes ago, Majestic said:

They have minnow bowling attacks. Guys like Iyer have inflated their stats thanks to SL bowling.

 

This is a better list than looking at overall stats. Rahul's stats also have been inflated by minnow bashing.

Iyer has match winning 50's a ton in NZ.  I think he is surely inferior to SKY or maybe Tripathi in T20 but has better temperament than our other young batters & knows the art of inns building Ruturaj looks like the other one to me.  He should be a lock for ODI format at least. 

[coffee_rules]

He is pathetic in T20s. Let him take a permanent break from T20s

[Vijy]

49 minutes ago, Majestic said:

They have minnow bowling attacks. Guys like Iyer have inflated their stats thanks to SL bowling.

 

This is a better list than looking at overall stats. Rahul's stats also have been inflated by minnow bashing.

the minnow SL playing against the might Aus is showing them how a minnow performs. could have been 2-0 for SL so far.

 

Only real minnows in T20s are zim and bang.

 

In t20s, having a so-called minnow bowling attack doesn't matter since in this format, the role of batters is enhanced (unlike tests)

[express bowling]

Something is not working for him now, as a T20 batsman.

 

Could be an issue with his frame of mind too and how he is planning his innings in this format.

 

Should take a break from this format for some time ... and come back fresh.

 

 

[Vijy]

Just now, express bowling said:

Something is not working for him now, as a T20 batsman.

 

Could be an issue with his frame of mind too and how he is planning his innings in this format.

 

Should take a break from this format for some time ... and come back fresh.

 

 

yes, we do have alternatives in KL and DK for keeping. even kishan, although I doubt if he will be doing well overseas.

[BacktoCricaddict]

On 6/17/2022 at 12:51 PM, zen said:

Pant is 24 years old and easily the most backed youngster of the current lot ... At the moment, a shoo in in all formats ... I support Pant and once he is in the 27-33 age range, he could be playing some sensational cricket.

 

At the moment, he has played 100 international games in all formats + 98 IPL games so based on playing experience, he needs to step up more or focus on certain formats till he reaches his peak (as his game has become somewhat stagnant). In Aus, guys like Hussey, Gilchrist, etc. debuted late iirc so Pant can take his time too to become a multi-format player if it is too much cricket currently to focus on improving his overall game (To be fair, his keeping needs improvements too). 

 

You do not want to turn a talented youngster into a taxi, running from one game to the next in one format to the other. Take a step back & don't keep him under pressure (a Camel's back can break with a straw) to allow him time to think about his game & constantly improve to reach his potential, allowing him to be in a better position to leverage on his good period ahead.

 

While correct, this is unlikely to happen in a cricketing culture where asking a star player to sit is considered an affront to the player. Plus there are probably brand concerns.