Rajat Patidar v Sarfaraz Khan

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, nevada said:

This thread is more than 1.5 years old and both the players together have played a grand total of one game! And that might be the last game as well, with Patidar already 30 years old and Sarfu forever sidelined on fitness grounds. Good job selectors and TM! Keep picking winners like Bhagat and Mucus Kumar!

Patidar should be given atleast 2 more tests to make any verdict

But yes he will be dumped ,knowing the working protocol of this TM and selectors that is obvious

[SRT100]

It irritates and frustrates me that I have a better understanding of the game than India's TM.

Its not a question of Patidar vs Safaraz for this Test series, it should be is:

 

Patidar + Safaraz + KL > Patidar +KL + Bharat

 

In effect, is KL output as a keeper approximately the same as Bharat?

We know that Safaraz >>>>Bharat batting wise, if KL = Bharat then

 

Patidar + Safaraz + KL must all play in the 3rd Test with KL as keeper.

Come on my Indian bros, there is a mathematical equation in here, come up with it.

[The Realist]

How much rope will Patidar get?

 

Does he have a long term future?

[Vijy]

11 minutes ago, The Realist said:

How much rope will Patidar get?

 

Does he have a long term future?

as long as he has support from BCCI, he will play. even on ICF, many seem to think that he is the second coming of viv richards

[coffee_rules]

Sarfaraz was  more compact esp against spin. But this was a flat pitch, we shouldn't read too much into his technique based on this pitch, Yes, temperment seems international quality and passes the eyetest to borrow a phrase from @maniac

[vvvslaxman]

On 2/6/2024 at 8:46 AM, singhvivek141 said:

Patidar failed this game with bat, but I think we should continue with him for this series.

 

One game shouldn't decide the fate of a player who has grown through ranks by toiling hard in FC. A player can be awed by the situation.

 

But you should be mentally strong. He was not. He looked overwhelmed by stage fright which he should not have at all against a guy who is playing his 3rd test

[Majestic]

Indian batting woes will be solved if and once Rishabh Pant is back. He can take that no.6 position and you already have Jadeja at 7. That's an extremely solid #6 and #7. Our batting diminished due to regular injuries of Jadeja and ofcourse Pant's accident which has been there for more than a year now.

 

With those two back, we will Kohli and Rahul at 4 and 5 overseas. 

 

At home, we will have those two alongwith Sarfaraz as an extra option who seems to be the most compact with his wide range of shots and confidence. I am doubtful on Sarfaraz 's fitness because overseas, his batting will be really tested against good pace bowling but he will lose some points to other batters who maybe more fitter and superior fielders than Sarfaraz for a place in the squad.

Edited February 15 by Majestic

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

Indian batting woes will be solved if and once Rishabh Pant is back. He can take that no.6 position and you already have Jadeja at 7. That's an extremely solid #6 and #7. Our batting diminished due to regular injuries of Jadeja and ofcourse Pant's accident which has been there for more than a year now.

 

With those two back, we will Kohli and Rahul at 4 and 5 overseas. 

 

At home, we will have those two alongwith Sarfaraz as an extra option who seems to be the most compact with his wide range of shots and confidence. I am doubtful on Sarfaraz 's fitness because overseas, his batting will be really tested against good pace bowling but he will lose some points to other batters who maybe more fitter and superior fielders than Sarfaraz for a place in the squad.

Pant should not be brought back. He is an okay batsman and a total **** keeper. if our goal is to find a keeper who averages 35-40 with the bat, there are better options available than butterfinger pant.

Rahul should be on a short leash, he has had plenty of chances and unless he has a Hayden-esque resurgence late in his career, he has shown himself to be a 30-35 average batsman, which is too low for a long term spot in the indian test team. And Kohli's days are numbered. he isnt gonna hang around for more than another couple of years at best. My guess is, he will target getting to 10K test runs and then hang up his boots in the format.

 

[Frustrated]

Sarfaraz's one inning score is 3 times that of Patidar's combined score of 3 innings.  On top of that, Sarfaraz was run out due to Jaddu's blunder.....He was on his way to a splendid century on debut.     Unless Patidar gets a big score in 2nd innings, his test journey should be over.  

[Muloghonto]

2 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Sarfaraz's one inning score is 3 times that of Patidar's combined score of 3 innings.  On top of that, Sarfaraz was run out due to Jaddu's blunder.....He was on his way to a splendid century on debut.     Unless Patidar gets a big score in 2nd innings, his test journey should be over.  

With that attitude, we'd never have seen a Jacques Kallis in cricket. Once you give someone a chance to debut, they should get at least 10 innings to showcase what they've got. I actually think Patidar can be a better batsman than Khan. 

[Majestic]

30 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Pant should not be brought back. He is an okay batsman and a total **** keeper. if our goal is to find a keeper who averages 35-40 with the bat, there are better options available than butterfinger pant.

Rahul should be on a short leash, he has had plenty of chances and unless he has a Hayden-esque resurgence late in his career, he has shown himself to be a 30-35 average batsman, which is too low for a long term spot in the indian test team. And Kohli's days are numbered. he isnt gonna hang around for more than another couple of years at best. My guess is, he will target getting to 10K test runs and then hang up his boots in the format.

 

Pant was a world class batsman having played 80% of his games overseas and yet averages 44 in Tests. He is one of India's biggest match winner overseas already. Also, he was a good keeper, not sure which Pant did you saw. Question is how will he do once back, not on how good he was when he was playing.

 

Rahul has started scoring runs overseas on a regular basis, he still is not giving you a 500 run series but nevertheless, in last 3 tests he played, he got a 100 and 88 to his name. He has two hundreds in England and South Africa, which are hard place to bat. His place at home conditions is surely questionable but Sarfaraz, Patidar, Iyer or Sundar can replace him easily.

 

 

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Pant was a world class batsman having played 80% of his games overseas and yet averages 44 in Tests. He is one of India's biggest match winner overseas already. Also, he was a good keeper, not sure which Pant did you saw. Question is how will he do once back, not on how good he was when he was playing.

 

Rahul has started scoring runs overseas on a regular basis, he still is not giving you a 500 run series but nevertheless, in last 3 tests he played, he got a 100 and 88 to his name. He has two hundreds in England and South Africa, which are hard place to bat. His place at home conditions is surely questionable but Sarfaraz, Patidar, Iyer or Sundar can replace him easily.

 

 

I dont care if Pant is the world class batsman - he will have to be world class batsman to return to the test side, because he is a total **** keeper. 

He literally got replaced as keeper in a few matches and played as a specialist batsman, with his keeping skills being worse than Dravid's - cant keep to spin at all, which is decisively bad for an indian keeper. he looks competent, because he is competent keeper vs pace and will fling himself around to take leg side catches from pacers. But if this man was around the same age as Ash and Jaddu, they'd have about 100 less wickets combined due to Pant's butterfinger keeping.

 

[Vijy]

future lineup could look decent at home IMO: Jaiswal, sudharsan (??), padikkal (??), Sarfaraz, Pant (as batter alone), Jaddu, Jurel

Edited February 16 by Vijy

[Trichromatic]

Patidar showing why he is averaging 45 in FC.

[Frustrated]

On 2/15/2024 at 11:28 PM, Muloghonto said:

With that attitude, we'd never have seen a Jacques Kallis in cricket. Once you give someone a chance to debut, they should get at least 10 innings to showcase what they've got. I actually think Patidar can be a better batsman than Khan. 

Sorry.  But patidar is not good enough to be playing intl cricket even for associate teams. 

[putrevus]

It was criminal to let this bozo make his debut before Sarfraz.

[Frustrated]

Request to OP and/or Mods.  This thread may please be locked or closed.  Mentioning Patidar and Sarfaraz in the same sentence would be an insult to Sarfaraz (who is a domestic run machine) and has proved that he belongs to intl level too.  

[Vickydev]

Thing is Patidar was in great form coming into this series with runs against Lions, he deserved his chance.

 

The fact he hasn't cashed in is dissapointing but either we give him a game more or find someone new. Can't go back to TTFs

[Frustrated]

Just now, Vickydev said:

Thing is Patidar was in great form coming into this series with runs against Lions, he deserved his chance.

 

The fact he hasn't cashed in is dissapointing but either we give him a game more or find someone new. Can't go back to TTFs

I suppose U are referring the TTFs to Pujara and Rahane.   Why would the TM go back to these 35+ yr olds when we hv batsmen like Padikkal.   Even Sundar (who is not exactly a top order batter) has decent technique and can do a better job than Patidar.   

[Trichromatic]

4 minutes ago, Vickydev said:

Thing is Patidar was in great form coming into this series with runs against Lions, he deserved his chance.

 

The fact he hasn't cashed in is dissapointing but either we give him a game more or find someone new. Can't go back to TTFs

Patidar has reputation of batting well and throwing it away with loose shot even in domestic cricket.