Number Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 (edited) Lets keep the supposed anti-Hindu agenda of Bollywood aside, it can be discussed in other threads. One after another Bollywood movies are tanking at theaters. It is not just a series of flops but it is churning out massive disasters after disasters. I remember what Amitabh said in 2015-16, "wherever Hollywood has gone it has killed the local entertainment industry like Spain or Japan. So Bollywood will have to be very very cautious of this and try to be competitive". His words seem to be coming true. With access to Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+ and a large population which can understand English, the Bollywood is losing its charm. You can't spend money on a Lal Singh Chadha in theaters when you have watched Forrest Gump. Moreover people know the movie will be there on OTT TV in 2-3 weeks so they don't want to spend time and money on it in theaters. I fully agree that the quality of the movies and music has gone down due to lack of creativity and lack of original ideas but Bollywood was never known for quality and people still somehow watched it. I also see that post Sushant death, Bollywood elites have become target of hate campaigns. It may have played a part I feel but it cannot be that impactful. What do people here think are the reasons of such poor state of affairs at Bollywood and what it can do revive itself. Edited August 22, 2022 by Number Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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coffee_rules Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 With satellite rights, overseas markets and OTT releases, Bhaiwood took the audiences for a ride. Any movie was making it even , so all they needed to do was a release. It has come down due to dubbed movies from south being very popular in the north, there is enough competition for them and people don’t care for their fakery anymore. Look at their arrogance here. beetle, Laaloo, sandeep and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Consequences of pandemic. People aren't still back into theaters like they used to be before. Only very selected hyped movies are getting attention. A film like Bachan Pandey would have been a hit pre-pandemic. It was a decent pot boiler. Same with something like Shamshera. Number 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Bollywood isn't able to create hype for their big films. Brahmastra is releasing in just over two weeks' time but hype is missing even on social media. Number 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 As mentioned above the Bollywood industry now has decided a ghisa pita formula of: - Sequels - Remakes of old films and South films - Remakes of songs - Nepotism Now that indian janta has experienced the quality of OTT and overseas film making they dont want to see substandard stuff produced by these entitled brats.. Bollywood downfall has started. Number 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 6 hours ago, rkt.india said: Consequences of pandemic. People aren't still back into theaters like they used to be before. Only very selected hyped movies are getting attention. A film like Bachan Pandey would have been a hit pre-pandemic. It was a decent pot boiler. Same with something like Shamshera. Bacchan Pandey was a pathetic remake of tamil film Jigarthanda. Most ppl are ok to watch movies of other languages now. With ott there is no reason to watch a remake esp a hindi one which will prob suck anyways Clarke, coffee_rules, sorak and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamHindustani Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 The road is full of potholes. South Industry rules Number 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 An issue could be that most of the films made in India are like TV movies. You can see similar (or even better quality) on made for TV films on streaming channels. To captivate audiences in theatres, you need a special approach where a film not only has great cinematography and music, but also memorable action/stunt sequences. A drama film needs to have compelling story, suspense where applicable, and acting. Below Matt Damon speaks about budget dynamics and impact of diminishing blu-ray sales (everything that he says may not be applicable to Bollywood but "those" type of films are moving to TV): G_B_, Number and Mariyam 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, zen said: An issue could be that most of the films made in India are like TV movies. You can see similar (or even better quality) on made for TV films on streaming channels. To captivate audiences in theatres, you need a special approach where a film not only has great cinematography and music, but also memorable action/stunt sequences. A drama film needs to have compelling story, suspense where applicable, and acting. Below Matt Damon speaks about budget dynamics and impact of diminishing blu-ray sales (everything that he says may not be applicable to Bollywood but "those" type of films are moving to TV): IMO another reason for the relevance of movies is the rise of series in production value and star presence. Personally, a lot of "great" movies from today and yesteryear feel pretty poor in comparison to series nowadays. To be honest - I prefer watching a well made web series over a movie nowadays. A movie is limited in time to develop its characters and unravel a nuanced story. TV and web series do this much better. Watching a movie often feels incomplete. Of course the cost of tickets and the price of movie watching has gone through the roof as well. Lots of reasons for the fall of movies. That said - I still see the top movies raking in 100s of millions of dollars week on week - so apparently someone is watching them. Number and nevada 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) Don't worry, Aryan Suhana Taimur Shanaya etc are coming to revitalize the industry. Look at this upcoming release, seems so apt for India, all our gens can relate to Archie and these 'actors' as commoners: Edited August 23, 2022 by Clarke 'actors' sorak, raki05, Norman and 5 others 2 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kepler37b Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 We , the telugus, are very good at making movies for big screen. And we are experts of masala films which the northies die for. Our film makers know the pulse of mass audience. Hire some of our directors to make movies for Hindi heroes. Sukumar can do a movie with Akshay. Trivikram a movie with Ranvir Singh. Ranbir can work with Vamshi Paidipally. This will be enough for initial traction. Number 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kepler37b Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Clarke said: Don't worry, Aryan Suhana Taimur Shanaya etc are coming to revitalize the industry. Look at this upcoming release, seems so apt for India, all our gens can relate to Archie and these 'actors' as commoners: I really wish the movie is a survival drama, where each of these characters one-by-one is finished by an Alien Predator. That would be an awesome watch. G_B_, raki05, Number and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 5 hours ago, zen said: An issue could be that most of the films made in India are like TV movies. You can see similar (or even better quality) on made for TV films on streaming channels. To captivate audiences in theatres, you need a special approach where a film not only has great cinematography and music, but also memorable action/stunt sequences. A drama film needs to have compelling story, suspense where applicable, and acting. Below Matt Damon speaks about budget dynamics and impact of diminishing blu-ray sales (everything that he says may not be applicable to Bollywood but "those" type of films are moving to TV): This is true but same issues facing hollywood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 40 minutes ago, kepler37b said: We , the telugus, are very good at making movies for big screen. And we are experts of masala films which the northies die for. Our film makers know the pulse of mass audience. Hire some of our directors to make movies for Hindi heroes. Sukumar can do a movie with Akshay. Trivikram a movie with Ranvir Singh. Ranbir can work with Vamshi Paidipally. This will be enough for initial traction. All of us dont want 'masala dumb brain' films- we are not all sadak chap uneducated labourers or rickshaw drivers... Thats the problem with Bollywood, they have failed in understand the change in the audience and what THEY want to see or they know but don't want to do anything about it in the fear of upsetting their Karachi paymasters. Budgets need to increase to ensure films are Hollywood quality- I mean for example there is a film that can be made about a particular battle in the 1965 War, esp. the tank battles. All you need is a 500-750cr investment to ensure real locations, tanks etc are used, with real explosions, and there you go that's a mass national scale film that can be made without any love story, drama and what not Number 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kepler37b Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 30 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said: All of us dont want 'masala dumb brain' films- we are not all sadak chap uneducated labourers or rickshaw drivers... Thats the problem with Bollywood, they have failed in understand the change in the audience and what THEY want to see or they know but don't want to do anything about it in the fear of upsetting their Karachi paymasters. Budgets need to increase to ensure films are Hollywood quality- I mean for example there is a film that can be made about a particular battle in the 1965 War, esp. the tank battles. All you need is a 500-750cr investment to ensure real locations, tanks etc are used, with real explosions, and there you go that's a mass national scale film that can be made without any love story, drama and what not . Here comes one more ott-spoiled self-declared intellectual that calls Masala films as Dumb. This is the mindset why Bollywood is in gutter now. Well made masala film is a joy to watch with audience in a full theater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, kepler37b said: . Here comes one more ott-spoiled self-declared intellectual that calls Masala films as Dumb. This is the mindset why Bollywood is in gutter now. Well made masala film is a joy to watch with audience in a full theater. Yes films like Housefull and Paagal Panti inspired people to pursue PHDs... Number and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/22/2022 at 10:53 AM, Number said: What do people here think are the reasons of such poor state of affairs at Bollywood people arent easily going to theatres they are only going once they are sure its a good film . And they know it ll release in a month on OTT so why waste money films that have failed have been bad films or avg ones who didnt get the WOM Budgets of top actors shot up 3-5 times during pandemic - from ayushman to akhshay their budget went so high that films went over budget and the end films dont fail budget fails we dont have directors that now can make potboilers, Telegu has many . Its not that some gem from south are becoming pan india hit...........only pot boilers are working SM has given power to people to abuse stars like they are no one so they have lost that stardom , whereas someone like allu arjun is a mystery to many here. Mystery about stars is what kept stardom high before SM Remember films like heropanti n baaghi crapped worked earlier so thats why sequels were made, by the time they are made n ready audience taste changed big time. So audience are equally to be blamed for accepting such crap at Ppl during pandemic got the hang of regional cinema specially down south which had better quality so now they aint gonna settle down for low quality. OTT content be good indian or abroad content has upgraded ppl taste now Hindi audience is not as loyal as south audience so their bad films are still earning their cost back unlike here Whats needs to be done is a long n hard answer Mariyam, Number, Clarke and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 This is actually a good slap that industry needed if they learn right lesson they ll revive. Take it as a chappel - rehaul era First and foremost lesson shud be to cut down cost for immediate effects - now if they reduce wastage cost like PR and useless promotions they ll start to cut down looses , if they start to cut down technician and writers cost they ll suffer more and TBH i expect them to do the latter Clarke, beetle, Number and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) On 8/22/2022 at 10:53 AM, Number said: One after another Bollywood movies are tanking at theaters. It is not just a series of flops but it is churning out massive disasters after disasters. answer lies in what worked and what didnt The hit films Kashmir files- WOM and low budget Sooryavanshi- potboiler and extra stars like ajay, ranveer, katrina , rohit shetty (we also need to get back to multi starrers now) Gangubai- WOM Bhool bhoolaiya- Sequel , Family entertainer, WOM At the end WOM is what makes a film hit and that comes from if ppl like it or not What didnt work Prithviraj- no buzz, no WOM, high budget , bad film Shamshera- poor buzz, no WOM, High budget , bad film Raksha bandhan- avg buzz , No WOM, High budget , bad film Lal singh chadha- avg buzz, No WOM, high budget , avg film Jersey- ppl saw the original hindi dubbed on youtube, avg film............no buzz Bachan pandey- no buzz, no wom, bad film, many ppl have seen jigarthanda which was so good 83- low buzz, partial pnademic , decent reviews.................but but but high cost When nothing is going on for a film, audience chooses to wait for it to release on OTT. Also when negative overshadows positive that what happens If lal sing chadha was just an OTT release it wud have been sold at whooping profits before even ppl liked or hated the film Edited August 23, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03 Lone Wolf, Mariyam and Number 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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