Nikhil_cric Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 We sometimes put down our losses to NZ to choking/mental blocks. But the truth is NZ are a very well prepared side and their domestic cricket system is used to churning out players as per requirements of the Black Caps. In their book, Cricket 2.0 by Tim Wigmore and Freddie Wilde, they talk about how some of the KPIs of domestic sides include producing X number of a certain type of players etc. So, an under 19 bloke who is a wrist spinner will be fast tracked into a domestic side with he intention of grooming him for the Black Caps. NZC have a thorough understanding of the requirements of the various formsts in a way that very few boards have. T20 for example is about having wide role and phase coverage and bowling to dimensions more often than not. In their top 7, they have 3 left handers to combat right to left spin and to break pacers lines as well. Only SA and England have similar coverage . Let's look at teams' impact in this tournament across the 3 phases in both batting and bowling as per Cricviz It's clear that while India and Australia look for individual brilliance to win matches , NZ play a more rounded game to achieve better results. And I'm sure this has been the case for NZC in all formats since 2014 atleast . Fabulous planning and great utilization of their small talent pool. BacktoCricaddict, Vk1, Norman and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment
Clarke Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 What is this 'resources' they lack ? Bat ball stumps gloves pads playing space lemon juice or the usual abaadi, as if one needs fifty million men to produce a good international cricketer ? Norman, Frustrated, vvvslaxman and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Number Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Really good model. Another thing that helps is lack of competition at times. When you make it to national team you get a decent run and improve yourself against international teams. While a lot of teams start a merry go round. Today DK the finisher, tomorrow Pant better keeper, day after Samson is better, oh no Kishen is the best. Vijy and Norman 1 1 Link to comment
Frustrated Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 In addition to the points mentioned, there is one thing which almost all NZ players have. 'Athleticism' All their players are capable of putting in the dive and throwing their bodies while fielding, as if their life depends on it. They easily save 15-20 runs on the field every game. Currently, their fielding level is much higher than other teams including other SENA nations. Norman, nevada, Sgattick10 and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 NZ is like 5th richest country in the world... As per adult wealth. https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/116750610/feeling-wealthy-new-report-shows-you-should-be Kids are exposed to first class facilities... Proper nutrition. Naturally corruption is quite less. Competent people run cricket & sports there.. And work towards maximizing their resources. India is probably the worst when it comes to accountability... Jugaad, setting works in BCCI. No idea how sports are being played. I bet our other sporting bodies even though corrupt & lacking resources have better idea of utilizing available talent pool. Vijy, Clarke, Vk1 and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Bigg Brother Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Cricket is hardly resource based sport. And at professional level they have enough resources that are needed..You don't not need multimillion cricket industry to top in the game.. NZ is first world country,they do have disposable income to teach their children who are interested in cricket to play in club cricket starting from school age which isn't the case in India. In India owning a cricket kit for a kid from middle class used to be dream (Don't know the scenario now). Also You need pool of 20-25 good players over the period of 8-10 years to be competitive in cricket which NZ manages to churn out. Lone Wolf and Vijy 2 Link to comment
Vk1 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bigg Brother said: Cricket is hardly resource based sport. And at professional level they have enough resources that are needed..You don't not need multimillion cricket industry to top in the game.. NZ is first world country,they do have disposable income to teach their children who are interested in cricket to play in club cricket starting from school age which isn't the case in India. In India owning a cricket kit for a kid from middle class used to be dream (Don't know the scenario now). Also You need pool of 20-25 good players over the period of 8-10 years to be competitive in cricket which NZ manages to churn out. why was England not able to achieve all this success till recently.. inspite of having the top draw county system for decades.. I am sure majority of ckt followers don't know the first class cricket system of NZ outside of couple of teams Edited November 8, 2022 by Vk1 Link to comment
SRT100 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 With New Zealand's population they barely could field an IPL team. You must remember that cricket is not even the main sport in NZ, its Rugby by a long long long way. Vijy 1 Link to comment
Stan AF Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, rkt.india said: NZ winning this cup. Nope. It's england. Link to comment
Laaloo Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, rkt.india said: NZ winning this cup. It better not be Pakistani nevada, Norman and Stan AF 2 1 Link to comment
Laaloo Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Stan AF said: Nope. It's england. They will choke against Pakistani again just like 1992 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 55 minutes ago, Laaloo said: They will choke against Pakistani again just like 1992 They over think over caclulate and miss basic things. Laaloo 1 Link to comment
Dil Dil India Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 7 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said: We sometimes put down our losses to NZ to choking/mental blocks. But the truth is NZ are a very well prepared side and their domestic cricket system is used to churning out players as per requirements of the Black Caps. In their book, Cricket 2.0 by Tim Wigmore and Freddie Wilde, they talk about how some of the KPIs of domestic sides include producing X number of a certain type of players etc. So, an under 19 bloke who is a wrist spinner will be fast tracked into a domestic side with he intention of grooming him for the Black Caps. NZC have a thorough understanding of the requirements of the various formsts in a way that very few boards have. T20 for example is about having wide role and phase coverage and bowling to dimensions more often than not. In their top 7, they have 3 left handers to combat right to left spin and to break pacers lines as well. Only SA and England have similar coverage . Let's look at teams' impact in this tournament across the 3 phases in both batting and bowling as per Cricviz It's clear that while India and Australia look for individual brilliance to win matches , NZ play a more rounded game to achieve better results. And I'm sure this has been the case for NZC in all formats since 2014 atleast . Fabulous planning and great utilization of their small talent pool. They don't have bums like DK, Axar, Chahal and Harshal polluting their line-up. Management is not as braindead as Dravid and Rohit. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 5 hours ago, Vk1 said: why was England not able to achieve all this success till recently.. inspite of having the top draw county system for decades.. I am sure majority of ckt followers don't know the first class cricket system of NZ outside of couple of teams IPL - it has helped everyone from Watson, MJ, Starc, WI & most definitely the English to progress especially their LO skills! The *ers still label it as not "real cricket" but without the IPL they'd be nowhere near the WC 19 win Link to comment
cricketfan28 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 No pressure, put KL in a NZ team and he will surpass all records. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 If it were Indian management GUptill would be playing ahead of Fin Allen. Who knows they might bring him back lol We have to wait and see. Link to comment
Dil Dil India Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: If it were Indian management GUptill would be playing ahead of Fin Allen. Who knows they might bring him back lol We have to wait and see. If it were Indian management, Chris Cairns would be playing as finisher and Chris Harris would open the bowling with Stephen Fleming opening. Norman, Lord, vvvslaxman and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Dil Dil India said: If it were Indian management, Chris Cairns would be playing as finisher and Chris Harris would open the bowling with Stephen Fleming opening. Inept 5 Link to comment
Stan AF Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Laaloo said: They will choke against Pakistani again just like 1992 Idk man. I have a feeling that both the poms and Kiwis are playing like they have a point to prove in the white ball format. England even without Archer Barstow and Roy are playing pretty well. Sam Curran has been bowling like a rockstar in the death. The only thing that hasn't clicked is their spin bowling. I've said this before and saying it again. it is England's WC to lose. sage 1 Link to comment
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