'You've left it to fate. There's no planning here': Pathan baffled at India's Ashwin move, Kaif gives blistering verdict

[rollingstoned]

'You've left it to fate. There's no planning here': Pathan baffled at India's Ashwin move, Kaif gives blistering verdict

 

 

 

Indian cricket fraternity have been left divided over captain Rohit Sharma and BCCI chief selector Ajit Agarkar to bring back Ravichandran Ashwin in the scheme of things for the ODI World Cup. Despite not being part of the format for 20 months, Ashwin has been picked for the impending three-match home series against Australia and could likely make the squad for the World Cup as well if Axar Patel, whom he replaced, is unable to recover in time for the tournament. While few were left surprised at the act given only a handful of spin-bowling all-rounder options, and few other welcomed the move as well, most were left rather baffled, which included India legend Irfan Pathan while Mohammad Kaif delivered a blistering verdict on it.

 

Ashwin last played an ODI match for India in January 2022 in the tour of South Africa, which remains his only appearance in the format in the last six years. However, with Axar incurring a tear in his quadriceps during the Asia Cup tournament, India called up Ashwin, along with Washington Sundar to give team management an option for the World Cup if things go south for the Gujarat all-rounder.

 

"If Axar hadn't been injured then we wouldn't have seen this move and Ashwin would have never been in the scene. Now Axar has suffered a strain injury and that takes time to recover from. No matter what they say that he will be back in a week's time but such injuries take at least 2-3 weeks to recover from. That is why they went for the experience in Ashwin. And remember, there is no comparison between Ashwin and Sundar. He has 900 wickets (712) across formats!" he said.

 

- "There is no planning" -

 

Irfan, who was part of the same panel, however questioned the logic behind bringing back a player who has not been part of a format for almost 2 years. While he accepted Ashwin's credentials and his ability in the sport, the former India all-rounder felt that Rohit and head coach Rahul Dravid should have at least given a few matches before the Australia series. He felt that the it would be too much for the management to expect that Ashwin would cast his magic in the format in a single series and then turn out to be a key player for India in the World Cup.

 

"You get a better spinner than Ashwin in the entire world. But in a tournament as big as the World Cup, where there is immense pressure, you can't expect a senior player to walk in and play for the team in a format which he hasn't played for a long time and prove his worth. So you are leaving it entirely to fate. There is no planning here. Had there been a plan for Ashwin, they sould have given him some game time before the World Cup. Yes he will be playing against Australia, but is that enough? You have to bowl for 10 overs, and adjust in the team as well and give India that result. It isn't that easy. Planning should have been better," he said.

 

The Australia series will begin from September 22 onwards and all eyes will likely be on Ashwin.

[Nikhil_cric]

There was never any plan. They know they can take their fans for a ride without any accountability.

[Lone Wolf]

Bhajji & Vikrant have started their Chuzi Chawal rant

 

[Frustrated]

51 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Bhajji & Vikrant have started their Chuzi Chawal rant

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Harbhajan is the most useless ex cricketer ever.  He always is in favour of having two spinners in the playing11 who can't bat.   He believes in the theory of having Four no.11 batsmen in the playing11.  Never speaks about how trash Chewal has been (as a bowler) since 2019 WC.  Same with Vikrant Gupta.  

[Frustrated]

One of the reasons we lost the t20 series to a team which did not qualify for WC was that we kept playing 4 tailenders in every game. Our TM learnt lesson from it and did not repeat the mistake in Asia Cup.  Result is there for every one to see.    But Harbhajan has gone into depression since our asia Cup win. Looks sad in most videos.  He desperately wants Ind to go back to old failed formula for the WC and face early exit.  

Edited September 20, 2023 by Frustrated

[sensible-indian]

The accusations are correct that this management has NO planning.

 

But in this case, what are we supposed to do?

 

- Axar got injured.

 

- Chahal has been unreliable.

 

- Jaddu hasn't been great in recent times.

 

- Sundar coming back from injury (not as effective bowling plus not sure about his batting in LOI).

 

So who else to call up?

 

Or should we play Chahal just for continuity sake?

 

Aus series will give us more clarity.

Edited September 20, 2023 by sensible-indian

[vvvslaxman]

5 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Bhajji & Vikrant have started their Chuzi Chawal rant

 

 

Bhajji rant could be seen from a miel away. Vikrant may have Yuzi Fetish. But Bhajji has a massive Ashwin phobia.

[vvvslaxman]

4 hours ago, Frustrated said:

Harbhajan is the most useless ex cricketer ever.  He always is in favour of having two spinners in the playing11 who can't bat.   He believes in the theory of having Four no.11 batsmen in the playing11.  Never speaks about how trash Chewal has been (as a bowler) since 2019 WC.  Same with Vikrant Gupta.  

 

He never wastes opportunity to take a dig at Ashwin even though the later never indulges in trash talking against bHajji

[putrevus]

It was either Sundar,Ashwin or Tilak. All of them are part of Indian team setup. What more planning do they want?

 

What kind of morons are these ex players. 

[Frustrated]

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/ind-vs-aus-ravichandran-ashwin-msk-prasad-icc-odi-world-cup-2023-squad-yuzvendra-chahal-8585070.html

[vvvslaxman]

15 minutes ago, putrevus said:

It was either Sundar,Ashwin or Tilak. All of them are part of Indian team setup. What more planning do they want?

 

What kind of morons are these ex players. 

 

Definitely not the worst choice given that the ifference between each one of them is minimal. Only reason this is exaggerated due to India not being able to use a batsman as a bowler to share the workload of Pandya who may or may not bowl all 10 overs. Takur himself can be taken apart. Even with 6 specialist bowlers including Pandya we may need another to use as a couple of guys may have really off days. 

[putrevus]

26 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Definitely not the worst choice given that the ifference between each one of them is minimal. Only reason this is exaggerated due to India not being able to use a batsman as a bowler to share the workload of Pandya who may or may not bowl all 10 overs. Takur himself can be taken apart. Even with 6 specialist bowlers including Pandya we may need another to use as a couple of guys may have really off days. 

Cummins himself was taken apart by England .

 

Bumrah has been laying a big egg in all knock out matches. You cannot keep on planning for the worst days.

 

You  pick the best available players and hope for the best. Bhajji was awful in 2011 world cup as a lead spinner but he lucked out as Yuvraj was able to pick up his slack.

 

Ashwin still has a value against team with lot of lefties. No one is asking him to play every match.

 

These ex players need to get their heads examined.

Edited September 20, 2023 by putrevus

[bowl_out]

Ashwin in the subcontinent is a no brainer, whatever the format be. I've been calling out how redundant Axar is in the squad and that Ashwin (or Sundar) should be replacing him. Axar's injury comes as a blessing and opens up a spot for an off spinner who can bat at 8.

 

With Ashwin, he can also get you a wicket by Mankading.. and save you some runs by threatening to mankad 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

Ashwin in the subcontinent is a no brainer, whatever the format be. I've been calling out how redundant Axar is in the squad and that Ashwin (or Sundar) should be replacing him. Axar's injury comes as a blessing and opens up a spot for an off spinner who can bat at 8.

 

With Ashwin, he can also get you a wicket by Mankading.. and save you some runs by threatening to mankad 

 

Axar on that turning track looked pedestrian. Looked worse than part timer.  If they target Axar even for 5 overs opposition will dent the confidence completely. As it is Jaddu is doing exactly the same. Is he a better hitter than Jaddu. Yes. Is he reliable to do some miracle? Don't think so. He can score a quick cameo here and there.

[Number]

Bhajji is going on and on about Chahal's exclusion. Flmao..

Suggests that he has fought with someone or has someone something bad lol

 

If there is an XI made of no. XIs Yuzi will bat at no. 11 in that.

He is one of the worst fielders in the history of cricket. Safely worst I have seen.

With his bowling it is hardly like he is extra ordinary.

 

I am so glad that a logical guy like Agarkar is handling selections and Rohit also understands that we can't have 4 no. XIs in the playing 11.

[Frustrated]

SL's WC winning ex-captain Arjuna Ranatunga also backs Ashwin to play a crucial role in the subcontinent  https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/ashwin-slightly-older-slow-on-the-field-but-ranatunga-world-cup-eye-opener-for-india-as-veteran-spinner-returns-101695062151732.html

Edited September 20, 2023 by Frustrated

[Frustrated]

1 minute ago, Number said:

Bhajji is going on and on about Chahal's exclusion. Flmao..

Suggests that he has fought with someone or has someone something bad lol

 

If there is an XI made of no. XIs Yuzi will bat at no. 11 in that.

He is one of the worst fielders in the history of cricket. Safely worst I have seen.

With his bowling it is hardly like he is extra ordinary.

 

I am so glad that a logical guy like Agarkar is handling selections and Rohit also understands that we can't have 4 no. XIs in the playing 11.

Chewal is easily the worst intl cricketer in every aspect.   But the guy is lucky to hv got a beautiful wife.  I think she is infuencing bhaaji to make such statements in favour of Chewal.   That's the only logical explanation I can come up with right now.  LOL.      The link between Bhajji and Dhanashree (or whatever her name is) must be investigated.  

[Nikhil_cric]

26 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Axar on that turning track looked pedestrian. Looked worse than part timer.  If they target Axar even for 5 overs opposition will dent the confidence completely. As it is Jaddu is doing exactly the same. Is he a better hitter than Jaddu. Yes. Is he reliable to do some miracle? Don't think so. He can score a quick cameo here and there.

Who hasn't looked pedestrian though?  Jadeja is the most economical of all the said options but he is the absolute worst with the bat currently  and cannot bat at 7. 

 

Axar is easily the best hitter out of the lot and can make a real difference with the bat. His bowling may be less threatening but against BD at least it was acceptable considering his hitting prowess. He was no worse than Jadeja

 

Sundar is the next best batsman after Axar and I think he will do a job with both bat and ball but he's not consistent.

 

Ashwin as an ODI cricketer was a spent force way back in 2015. His record against top sides after that World Cup is horrendous.  And he may be better than Jadeja with the bat but he's nowhere near Axar.

 

Considering all this, I think we need Axar more than anyone else. If he's out,  our squad becomes even weaker.

[mani sha]

Agarkar has done a v v good job so far 

 

player rotation - yes 

benching seniors and getting t20 fresh faces - yes 

creating odi bench - yes 

communicating openly - yes 

focussing on weak areas - yes 

replacing axar with sundar or ashwin is logical . Chahal is at best a mediocre legspinner and top 3 tailenders of all time wih Courtney walsh , mcgrath for company but bowling wise not even one tenth their utility . 
 

 

harbhajan etc are armchair critics . Should apply for role as selector - he may not qualify . Hasn’t helped develop younger spinners unlike kumble who is helping young spinners in some form or other . 
 

ashwin vs sundar is going to be a debate . Ashwin to his credit has tried to improve his odi batting . He is a world class off spinner who can bat no 8. Sundar is a good off spinner who can bat number 6 . I have a feeling they are looking for ashwin the bowler as definitely against teams stacked with left handers , ashwin might be useful cog in the wheel .

 

 

 

[Gollum]

Send Ashwin to China, our spin bowlers in that squad are weak. Need Asian Games gold as well, by beating poyzz in the final. If will be officially counted as an international match unlike 1998 CWG.