rollingstoned Posted April 7 Posted April 7 'It Hurts': MS Dhoni Told To Drop Himself From CSK XI And Give His Spot To Youngster There has been a lot of debate over MS Dhoni's batting spot in Chenai Super Kings playing XI this IPL season. Chennai Super Kings' MS Dhoni scored 30 not out off 26 against DC on Saturday After three defeats in four matches, Chennai Super Kings find themselves languishing at the 9th spot on the IPL 2025 points table. The five-time IPL winners though started their season with a win over Mumbai Indians at home but have since lost to Royal Challengers Bengaluru, Rajasthan Royals and Delhi Capitals – two of these defeats coming at Chepauk. The common feature of these defeats has been CSK‘s failure to chase down targets. While against MI, they did win by four wickets, they lost to RCB by 50 runs, RR by 6 runs and then DC by 25 runs. Their openers have failed to stitch together a significant partnership so far with their top-order also underperforming. Another criticism that CSK have been facing is the batting spot of their stalwart MS Dhoni who has often come to bat quite low in the order and at times when the fate of the game has nearly been sealed. Against DC, Dhoni was in the middle by the 10th over but that was only because CSK had lost half their side by then and needed 110 runs more to win in 52 deliveries. The need of the hour was big hits but Vijay Shankar (69* off 54) and Dhoni (30* off 26) failed to accelerate as DC completed their first win over CSK in Chennai since IPL 2010. After CSK’s latest batting failure, former India opener Wasim Jaffer feels that if Dhoni isn’t captaining the franchise and continues to bat this way, he should make way for a youngster now. “Yes, if Dhoni isn’t captaining, then it hurts a little seeing him (bat) this way," Jaffer said on ESPNcricinfo in response to whether the former CSK skipper needs to drop himself from the playing XI. Jaffer attributed Dhoni’s struggle to playing limited cricket. The 43-year-old retired from international cricket in 2020 and only plays in IPL now. “Obviously, Dhoni doesn’t play a lot of cricket so it’s not easy. That’s why he bats so low but when you’ve lost five wickets inside 10 overs then Dhoni has no other option (but to bat) since there’s just Ashwin behind. It was good to see that at least Dhoni batted at no. 7 today," he said. However, Jaffer said CSK have bigger problems to worry about that the form of Dhoni. “The biggest concern is that your top-order is not making runs. It doesn’t feel like they are in the race while chasing. They lost last game by 40 odd runs, this by 25 runs. This isn’t the CSK of old. Whenever CSK picks a player, you expect him to perform well. But this hasn’t been the case this time around be it Tripathi or Deepak Hooda. They’ve been off colour," he said. “I feel for the fans – they turn up in huge numbers. I haven’t seen CSK play this bad at home," he added.
nevada Posted April 7 Posted April 7 As if they didn't know that they would be playing with essentially 10 players. Play more, Dhoni! Sink a few more chases while remaining not out and boosting your average. raki05 and rollingstoned 1 1
Popular Post Lord Posted April 7 Popular Post Posted April 7 please play tomorrow. Thala, big fan Mosher, Austin 3:!6, Laaloo and 12 others 14 1
Nikhil_cric Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Jadeja's continued selection is hitting them more than Dhoni's https://www.cricket.com/news/ravindra-jadeja-might-just-be-a-bits-and-pieces-player-in-ipl-jadejas-struggle-in-ipl-csk-vs-dc-why-is-jadeja-struggling-in-ipl-442025-1743747530192 Lord, rollingstoned and bowl_out 1 2
coffee_rules Posted April 7 Posted April 7 It hurts? Whom? Jaffer/Dhoni/CSK Chuskis/CSK team? Number and raki05 2
Ultimate_Game Posted April 7 Posted April 7 This should've happened at least a couple of years ago. Make Dhoni a mentor and be done with it. He can walk into the field during strategic breaks and regale the CSK crowd with his presence. raki05 and nevada 1 1
maniac Posted April 7 Posted April 7 This is so fkin sad. The guy had a perfect fairytale script ending 2 years back and now in a situation where he is asked to leave. same with SRT after wc 2011.
Lord Posted April 7 Posted April 7 8 minutes ago, maniac said: This is so fkin sad. The guy had a perfect fairytale script ending 2 years back and now in a situation where he is asked to leave. same with SRT after wc 2011. even more sad is he used to preach against staying too long raki05, Number, cricspirit and 3 others 6
Ultimate_Game Posted April 7 Posted April 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lord said: even more sad is he used to preach against staying too long I'm just happy he quit Team India in 2019. Don't care what the players do in IPL. Dhoni, Kohli, Rohit can play till 60 in IPL for all I care. Edited April 7 by Ultimate_Game raki05, Lord and Texan 1 2
vvvslaxman Posted April 7 Posted April 7 As a captain MSD has done a great job. Once he is not captain he should be rated how Raina was rated when he was going through a bad patch. Raina as a batsman has done more to CSK than anyone else. He was dropped after 2 bad seasons.
bowl_out Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Nothing has changed in 6 years. Glad he spared Team India after 2019 raki05 1
maniac Posted April 7 Posted April 7 49 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: I'm just happy he quit Team India in 2019. Don't care what the players do in IPL. Dhoni, Kohli, Rohit can play till 60 in IPL for all I care. There is a tolerance for everything bro. Because it is IPL it was ok for 3-4 years but this is becoming a joke. Makes the entire league and Indian cricket audience foolish. They might be but the display is too obvious. Ultimate_Game and nevada 2
singhvivek141 Posted April 7 Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said: I'm just happy he quit Team India in 2019. Don't care what the players do in IPL. Dhoni, Kohli, Rohit can play till 60 in IPL for all I care. He didn't quit in 2019. He quit in 2020 when it was clear that cricket has taken a backseat due to Covid. His wish was to play till 2020 T20 WC (which happened in 2021) rollingstoned, raki05, Lord and 1 other 2 2
Ajju Posted April 7 Posted April 7 3 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: He didn't quit in 2019. He quit in 2020 when it was clear that cricket has taken a backseat due to Covid. His wish was to play till 2020 T20 WC (which happened in 2021) Now he can play next T20 wc
Muloghonto Posted April 7 Posted April 7 (edited) 8 hours ago, Lord said: even more sad is he used to preach against staying too long yes but by IPL standards, Dhoni still hasnt stayed too long - he still is an average keeper by IPL standards and is averaging 76 with the bat. By no means is that substandard and deserving of retirement. Man felt he wasnt good enough for the highest international standard and retired happily 5 years ago. What else could you want ??? People often forget, when sports-people say 'you shouldnt stay too long and retire if you are a bojha to the team', they see it as by average metrics. Sachin Tendulkar will not consider himself 'retirement worthy' unless his batting declines to below Saurav Ganguly level and when it did, he retired. If Tendy had another 5 years of batting like Azharuddin ( mid 40s average), he'd have stuck around, because in HIS view, he isnt bojha to the team, he is average performer and a great dude is not required to kick himself off the team just coz he isnt one in a million anymore, maybe only when he declines to being below test standard. Dhoni follows same mentality, so does everyone else. And age is not an issue. Performance is. as long as Dhoni is an average keeper and average batter by IPL standards, he should play. I dont care if he is 60 years old when he does that and that is not a joke. Maybe he wont play in a contender team but a bottom-feeder team but sure. Cricket, especially Indian criket, isnt professional enough in its mindset. Take for eg ice hockey. They are ultra professional ( they will drop/trade a Sachin tendulkar if he goes half a season of averaging like laxman coz they have salary cap and tendulkar will get 3x as much $$ as Laxman in NHL style salary cap and thus has to give the team 3x production as laxman to deserve that cap-space), even if he got MVP last 4 seasons straight. Ice hockey has a very standard progression of performance age-wise, assuming you stay injury free : the average NHL-er will retire by 33-34, the good/great NHL-er will retire around 35-36 and very few greats will make it to 40. But occasionally, once in a generation or two, you will get physical freaks like Jaromir Jagr or Geordie Howe - men who are tall, built like tanks and somehow, dont slow down too much with age and they end up playing in the NHL till they are 48-49. Howe played till he was 52-53 and played professional ice hockey on the SAME LINE AS HIS SON. Ofcourse, these are all-time great, sunil gavaskar glenn mcgrath level players in ice hockey but they were NOT playing at ATG levels at 40+ : they were playing as an average/just above average NHL-er as burau. Where are these guys in cricket ?nowhere. Why ? coz cricket is aegist. they dont get the simple concept of 'performance means u play, i dont care if you are 12 or 90'. Edited April 7 by Muloghonto
nevada Posted April 8 Posted April 8 8 hours ago, maniac said: There is a tolerance for everything bro. Because it is IPL it was ok for 3-4 years but this is becoming a joke. Makes the entire league and Indian cricket audience foolish. They might be but the display is too obvious. +1. They can hide washed up players but not forever! Dhoni would have escaped scrutiny if CSK were winning games without requiring him to bat. But they are losing again and again, with Dhoni badly exposed with ineffective batting.
Texan Posted April 8 Posted April 8 Forget about giving his spot to a youngster, first let him at least give strike to a proper batsman in final over. The arrogance still runs deep. raki05 and Lord 1 1
Lord Posted April 8 Posted April 8 9 hours ago, Muloghonto said: yes but by IPL standards, Dhoni still hasnt stayed too long - he still is an average keeper by IPL standards and is averaging 76 with the bat. By no means is that substandard and deserving of retirement. Man felt he wasnt good enough for the highest international standard and retired happily 5 years ago. What else could you want ??? People often forget, when sports-people say 'you shouldnt stay too long and retire if you are a bojha to the team', they see it as by average metrics. Sachin Tendulkar will not consider himself 'retirement worthy' unless his batting declines to below Saurav Ganguly level and when it did, he retired. If Tendy had another 5 years of batting like Azharuddin ( mid 40s average), he'd have stuck around, because in HIS view, he isnt bojha to the team, he is average performer and a great dude is not required to kick himself off the team just coz he isnt one in a million anymore, maybe only when he declines to being below test standard. Dhoni follows same mentality, so does everyone else. And age is not an issue. Performance is. as long as Dhoni is an average keeper and average batter by IPL standards, he should play. I dont care if he is 60 years old when he does that and that is not a joke. Maybe he wont play in a contender team but a bottom-feeder team but sure. Cricket, especially Indian criket, isnt professional enough in its mindset. Take for eg ice hockey. They are ultra professional ( they will drop/trade a Sachin tendulkar if he goes half a season of averaging like laxman coz they have salary cap and tendulkar will get 3x as much $$ as Laxman in NHL style salary cap and thus has to give the team 3x production as laxman to deserve that cap-space), even if he got MVP last 4 seasons straight. Ice hockey has a very standard progression of performance age-wise, assuming you stay injury free : the average NHL-er will retire by 33-34, the good/great NHL-er will retire around 35-36 and very few greats will make it to 40. But occasionally, once in a generation or two, you will get physical freaks like Jaromir Jagr or Geordie Howe - men who are tall, built like tanks and somehow, dont slow down too much with age and they end up playing in the NHL till they are 48-49. Howe played till he was 52-53 and played professional ice hockey on the SAME LINE AS HIS SON. Ofcourse, these are all-time great, sunil gavaskar glenn mcgrath level players in ice hockey but they were NOT playing at ATG levels at 40+ : they were playing as an average/just above average NHL-er as burau. Where are these guys in cricket ?nowhere. Why ? coz cricket is aegist. they dont get the simple concept of 'performance means u play, i dont care if you are 12 or 90'. That average is a joke. He's got total 76 runs in 4 games. Is batting below Ashwin and Jadeja. Performance wise too he does not deserve a spot anymore. CSK is not a bottom feeder team. They are just indulging him and his fans. Even they knew they don't have the chance with squad they selected.
Frustrated Posted April 8 Posted April 8 "It hurts" It really hurts the opponent if dhoni gets dropped & replaced by a player on merit. Every opponent wants the washed up oldie to play. rollingstoned 1
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