No X factor in the side( promise no Rohit Sharma reference)

[maniac]

Thread title is self explanatory......I mean playing at home.....not exactly a dust bowl.... A neutral pitch favorable to batting... But still home conditions.

 

despite that our batting is playing for survival. I have nothing against this approach ... Rather draw a match than lose at home but still long gone from the days of likes of sehwag or sachin who can make things happen and tilt the favor of the game despite the opposition almost making a score that will in all probability won't lose them the game....where are the game changers?

 

india is already playing for survival here and nothing wrong with that approach but still there is something missing.

 

a part of us like the optimistic fans we are want a player to suddenly make something happen and no one in the Indian line up bar Ashwin with the ball once conditions start favoring him,seems capable of that.

 

we have some terrific players but just not enough match winners in the side who can make miracles happen.....sachin, kumble,sehwag etc etc ... Our test team is too plain Jane... If this was a odI game I could have made a case for kohli who is a once in a lifetime player in those formats but tests unfortunately it is s difficult story.

[WeStMiDz]

Oh so you expect a team to come out blasting the ball all round the park when they are up against a 500+ total in the first innings. 

 

They are doing absolutely fine. Catch up can be played later once the foundations are set. 

Edited November 11, 2016 by WeStMiDz

[maniac]

Let me further explain....look at England for example....they can be 150/5 but all of a sudden Ali,Stokes,Baristow and Woakes can counter attack and get them to a 400/7 kind of a scenario.

 

similarly with the ball Stokes who is the 5th and at times 6th bowler can get into Rythm and start reversing the ball at 140ks.... On a dust bowl....Ali can be as threatening as Jadeja with a tight line and spinning the odd one.

 

Duckett looks to attack from ball 1.... Yes he is young and has not had much to show but just look at his body language and intent.

 

we have too many 1 dimensional players no matter how good they are and get the job done.

 

[Cricketics]

Wonder what game you watching. Playing for survival? We are scoring at a brisk rate. Only 27 overs bowled in the first session and yet we scored over 100 runs. You seem to be such a Rohit fanatic that you do not like watching India play when he is not playing. It is totally fine to do that. Nothing wrong but then I can't call you a true Indian die hard cricket fan. I am sorry. 

 

 

[maniac]

5 hours ago, Cricketics said:

Wonder what game you watching. Playing for survival? We are scoring at a brisk rate. Only 27 overs bowled in the first session and yet we scored over 100 runs. You seem to be such a Rohit fanatic that you do not like watching India play when he is not playing. It is totally fine to do that. Nothing wrong but then I can't call you a true Indian die hard cricket fan. I am sorry. 

 

 

Huh? How did you get all that from what I wrote in the OP. I mean seriously?

 

For the benefit of those whose missed the point completely here you go again, obviously if understanding the English language is not your forte than don't bother.

 

1. Absolutely brilliant knocks by Vijay and Pujara. Perfect knocks according to the situation. Can't ask for more of them and have almost put...focus on the word almost here....put India in the safe zone. 

 

2: Our R/R is 2.97 right now which is not exactly brisk. but Given the situation we were in and considering the opposition, this is brilliant performance.:.As I said can't ask for more from the top order

 

3. Have I once mentioned Rohit Sharma in my OP...the very fact I put a disclaimer there is because I was sure of the premature leakage that people would have considering the topic.

 

4. All I am saying is we are more than capable to  draw this game and may be even cause England a few problems but we just don't have any player apart from Kohli to some extent to use this platform provided and just take the game out of England's reach. Something a Sehwag would do or a Gilchrist. Kohli has not shown the ability in test cricket yet...yes he might play an innings to put India totally in the safe zone which will still be amazing but I am asking for players who would take this platform and absolutely do miracles with it. Yes players like that have existed in the past, exist now....all I am saying is despite the Indian test team being very talented and component, they don't seem to have that players with X factor who can just swing the game in a session( and again nothing to do with Rohit, would it help if I admited Rohit has never shown that ability yet either in test cricket)

 

now hope Iam clear

[sandeep]

^ If Kohli and Jinxy take us to 500, there is absolutely no reason why Jadeja and Saha wouldn't be able to slap around the pommies for a quickfire 60-80 runs.  Especially on Sir's home ground.  

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

^ If Kohli and Jinxy take us to 500, there is absolutely no reason why Jadeja and Saha wouldn't be able to slap around the pommies for a quickfire 60-80 runs.  Especially on Sir's home ground.  

God your optimism is infectious...was planning on running errands on a Veterans Day holiday but will go to the casino instead

[sandeep]

20 minutes ago, maniac said:

God your optimism is infectious...was planning on running errands on a Veterans Day holiday but will go to the casino instead

Why Thank you sir.  Nothing compared to yours, who still believes in the greatest-talunt-who-can-change-a-test-match-in-a-single-session-while-eliciting-unmentionable-feelings-in-maniac 

[mishra]

9 hours ago, maniac said:

Duckett looks to attack from ball 1.... Yes he is young and has not had much to show but just look at his body language and intent.

 

Duckett is very ordinary. He will not last much longer in the side. Wont be surprised if he is dropped mid series. He was clueless against Bongs.

Edited November 11, 2016 by mishra

[Ankit_sharma03]

I get ur point and i agree with u , but for that idea to come good few players have to be ready. Kohli is somewhat who also beilves in match winners. There are few potential players who can feature in this lineup soon but may not be ready as of yet

 

In future- This lineup could be a real deal 

 

Kl rahul- quite destructive

Vijay- Perfect foil for rahul and has more than just being a suppourt unlike akash chopra

Pujara- No matter how many runs he scores at home question over his overseas game will reamain, hope he comes good

Kohli- always keeps the scoreboard tickin

Rahane- our best test batsman as of now

Pandya- Can tonk the ball, bowl at 140k and will keep maturing with time

Saha or soon Samson/ Pant- Hope Pant and samson mature soon with both bat n gloves and then we are talking of serious threatening lineup

Ashwin- What a player to have in lower order, makes the batting look deep

Shami

Bhuvi/Ishant/Umesh/Aaron/ Nathu/Aniket/Shardul/Kuldeep - Any two among them Depending on conditions

 

This could be a terrific team

Its not only about x-factor but consistency, depth and most importantly balance of the team. 

Edited November 11, 2016 by Ankit_sharma03

[Vilander]

Hey maniac what is x factor ?  may be i will put something across, if Rohit was there he could have pummeled the poms and got us to 500 runs in first day of Indian innings. with his strike rate (alledged because of his talent) and changed the complexion of the game ? in one session.

[maniac]

11 hours ago, Vilander said:

Hey maniac what is x factor ?  may be i will put something across, if Rohit was there he could have pummeled the poms and got us to 500 runs in first day of Indian innings. with his strike rate (alledged because of his talent) and changed the complexion of the game ? in one session.

Not only you missed my opening post but also 2 follow up posts trying to further break down my point which totally addresses what you just said in the most elementary way possible.

 

congratulations you get to read 3 of my posts to understand the entire scenario than just one referral post...it is your lucky day

[Laaloo]

Gershon Fuller: "I really feel that Quinton should come in higher up the order. He has the X factor."

 

Cricinfo commentary for Aus Sa match lol

[Cricketics]

40 minutes ago, laaloo said:

Gershon Fuller: "I really feel that Quinton should come in higher up the order. He has the X factor."

 

Cricinfo commentary for Aus Sa match lol

Not as much as our No.6

[express bowling]

In our current test team, Rahul, Kohli and Rahane play quickly and dominate the opposition bowlers when the match situation demands it.

 

Vijay and Pujara are our sheet-anchors.

 

Now, if we can get a new-age batsman or batting all-rounder or batsman-keeper at No.6, who can really dominate the bowlers....we will have a much more balanced test batting line-up.

Edited November 12, 2016 by express bowling

[Temujin Khaghan]

it is monotonous. but even if rohit sharma played he would only go at 50-55 SR

he isnt exactly like KP or haydos.

[SLICKR392]

On 11/11/2016 at 11:58 AM, WeStMiDz said:

Oh so you expect a team to come out blasting the ball all round the park when they are up against a 500+ total in the first innings. 

 

They are doing absolutely fine. Catch up can be played later once the foundations are set. 

With Maniac on this one. We are missing players who make an impact. And impact doesn't mean you have to go wam bamn every ball, it's about how you approach a game. I don't mind our bowling in this match really, but it's the terrible, let me rephrase, utter effing terrible approach from our batsmen. They settled for a draw from the word go. Surprisingly, I only found Pujara to show some intent. The combination of 5 bowlers is not the issue here.

[YCCC]

When I say Honey, you say...

 

Oh, not that X Factor, right.

[maniac]

Hope this thread makes sense now.

 

yeah we beat the mighty wi but we will still lose overseas 9/10 times....only difference is we might draw a few games and avoid total humiliation or even spring an odd surprise win because we don't have brain dead and stubborn leadership anymore.

 

the team is still too one dimensional and boring and that is a fact....it is almost as boring as pak and srilanka team these days....we are still a notch better but getting there soon.

[Cricketics]

8 minutes ago, maniac said:

Hope this thread makes sense now.

 

yeah we beat the mighty wi but we will still lose overseas 9/10 times....only difference is we might draw a few games and avoid total humiliation or even spring an odd surprise win because we don't have brain dead and stubborn leadership anymore.

 

the team is still too one dimensional and boring and that is a fact....it is almost as boring as pak and srilanka team these days....we are still a notch better but getting there soon.

What are you on about? How is this team boring? Who do you want out of side from this squad? I know Gambhir is temporary but why are you calling this side boring? 

We have one of the best spinners in the world, got Shami, who is really good. We also have Bhuvi who is not playing but definitely a better bowler than most who have played for us in last 15 years. We also have the best top middle order in the world with the trio of Pujara-Kohli-Rahane. Yes, they are the best you can ask for right now. Better than any team's middle order any day and on any pitch. I will take these three over anyone.

 

Now how is this team so boring? All of a sudden your Rohit isnout of the team for one test and this side has become boring?