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2 hours ago, Sachinism said:

Inexperienced. Smashing a few sixes in IPL shouldn't move you ahead of more established cricketers. Picking a player because he could smash a quick 100 is ridiculous.

As pointed out above KKD has been instrumental in a test win in England. Definitely deserves first dibs.

No mention of actual job - wicket-keeping?

 

 

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23 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

Imo he needs one more ranji season and I hope he does well in that too but even then he is behind Dhoni and DK in the pegging order.

Dhoni has retired from Tests and DK is not far away. Both should not be in India's plans anymore. 

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10 minutes ago, UnknownGenius said:

N jagadeesan should be the one nurtured besides pant. Average close to 45, safe as a house behind the stumps and has that winning mentality having recently been part of a team that lifted a major trophy

 

Even Pant wanted that experience as can be seen in post torunament celebrations and pics

Massive troll

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55 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Seems like those advocating for dk because he hit a few half centuries 11 years ago would also have no problem if we recall rp Singh again. Rp Singh did have more success than dk did right? 

Spot on , I will be massively disappointed if DK plays test matches as a first choice.DK had his time, now he needs to be backup to Pant or Ishan. This selection committee talks big game but has not done anything to prove it.

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6 hours ago, UnknownGenius said:

e saala cup namde or whateve

:hysterical:

 

when i read those threads..i would be like why is he abusing the cup calling it aye saala etc. but then i revert back to the finally its our year kinds dream and even become party to it..RCB is a pain

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36 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Is this a serious thread ? Pant isn’t even in loi setup and you expect him to keep in England at test level.

You don't need to be in LOIs to play tests. Both are difference formats.

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7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

You don't need to be in LOIs to play tests. Both are difference formats.

Then let me rephrase, pant who is supposed to be a fit for loi and not being able to capitalize on opportunities given so far, thus not even in loi squad should be played ahead of DK in test ?

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3 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Then let me rephrase, pant who is supposed to be a fit for loi and not being able to capitalize on opportunities given so far, thus not even in loi squad should be played ahead of DK in test ?

Pant to start with hasnt been given that much opportunity to perform,while there are others who have been given a longer rope,you cant say he failed to capitalize,Im saying it could be harsh if he is tried in England test but deserved his chance atleast in the t20s,adding to that Pant played a mature match winning knock in the Triangular A tournament

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9 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Then let me rephrase, pant who is supposed to be a fit for loi and not being able to capitalize on opportunities given so far, thus not even in loi squad should be played ahead of DK in test ?

Yes because both are different formats. He has played 3-4 T20s till now and it is poor selection that he isn't a regular in T20s. Pant is supposed to be fit for all formats. More so, he made his name by smashing records in Ranji trophy.

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1 hour ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Then let me rephrase, pant who is supposed to be a fit for loi and not being able to capitalize on opportunities given so far, thus not even in loi squad should be played ahead of DK in test ?

What do you mean by opportunities given so far?  Are 4 t20 matches considered opportunities to judge him? Of those 4 t20 matches, in one match he faced just 3 balls and remained not out on 5. In one match he got out cheaply. In the remaining two he did score 23 and 38 albeit at run a ball i.e at a slower rate for t20s.Is this what you call given opportunity? If standards are such high India should have been sweeping every damn series and ICC trophies and bilateral tests and ODIs and T20s. And Rohit, Jadeja, Ishant, Umesh would have never made a career. Yours favourite Dhoni himself wouldn't have.Unfortunately whichever way you may want to twist your logic Pant has not been given proper opportunities inspite of deserving it.

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Wow....... really people are debating about Pant... What has he done in the India "A" tour  recently ? How ishe doing in the recent game against WI ? W.r.t DK, has anybody checked DK's last ranji season ? seriously people decisions are based on numbers not feelings. DK is the best indian wk choice (age does not matter, performance does). Performance consists of fitness and match effectiveness. DK will tick the fitness box for sure, he needs to given a shot to see how effective in test match situations for India. Lets stop arguing, Pant has a long way to go. Hitting bowlers around the park in IPL does not account for test team inclusion, if that is the case suryakumar yadav should be test # 3 for India.

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10 hours ago, Pollack said:

What do you mean by opportunities given so far?  Are 4 t20 matches considered opportunities to judge him? Of those 4 t20 matches, in one match he faced just 3 balls and remained not out on 5. In one match he got out cheaply. In the remaining two he did score 23 and 38 albeit at run a ball i.e at a slower rate for t20s.Is this what you call given opportunity? If standards are such high India should have been sweeping every damn series and ICC trophies and bilateral tests and ODIs and T20s. And Rohit, Jadeja, Ishant, Umesh would have never made a career. Yours favourite Dhoni himself wouldn't have.Unfortunately whichever way you may want to twist your logic Pant has not been given proper opportunities inspite of deserving it.

How? He played one of the greatest innings on his 3rd ODI itself and there was no turning back. He didn't had any backing like Mumbai cricketers neither any godfather. He was a young boy from Ranchi which has never produced any international cricketer before.

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25 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

How? He played one of the greatest innings on his 3rd ODI itself and there was no turning back. He didn't had any backing like Mumbai cricketers neither any godfather. He was a young boy from Ranchi which has never produced any international cricketer before.

Dhoni played his first series against Bangladesh. In 3 match series, dhoni failed to score much. And by logic of above poster that means he failed to grab opportunity and obviously should have been dropped for the next series against Pakistan. For first matches of his career dhoni scored just 22 runs even less than Pant currently. He played the mentioned innings in his 5th match.

Not having any selector's backing is just your usual self ranting. Has no relevance to the point being discussed. In fact the argument is self defeating since Karthik and parthiv were better choices than Dhoni at that moment technically(performance wise). But still he was selected based on potential. Isn't this what we expect for Pant? 

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On 7/10/2018 at 3:04 PM, Laaloo said:

Seems like those advocating for dk because he hit a few half centuries 11 years ago would also have no problem if we recall rp Singh again. Rp Singh did have more success than dk did right? 

Is Rp still playing Ranji? Dk made truckloads of runs in Ranji in the last few seasons.

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Some People here are whining and crying about pant not being able to capitalize on opportunities  as if he has been given 4 fresh odi series and not 4t20is

A talent like pant should be given 4 straight odi or test match series 2 against tough teams and 2 against slightly weaker teams to judge or criticize him but these desperate and insecure dhoni chamchas :no:

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31 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Dhoni played his first series against Bangladesh. In 3 match series, dhoni failed to score much. And by logic of above poster that means he failed to grab opportunity and obviously should have been dropped for the next series against Pakistan. For first matches of his career dhoni scored just 22 runs even less than Pant currently. He played the mentioned innings in his 5th match.

Not having any selector's backing is just your usual self ranting. Has no relevance to the point being discussed. In fact the argument is self defeating since Karthik and parthiv were better choices than Dhoni at that moment technically(performance wise). But still he was selected based on potential. Isn't this what we expect for Pant? 

I agree with your overall point that Pant deserves more chances but your analogy with Dhoni is not correct. MS Dhoni was destined to be great and nothing could have stopped him. Some players give that superstar feeling due to their x-factor or whatever and likes of Sehwag, MSD, Yuvi, Sachin etc gave that feeling from the very 1st game

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1 hour ago, Cricket_Fan said:

Ia Rp still playing Ranji? Dk made truckloads of runs in Ranji in the last few seasons.

The poster you're replying to k ows nothing about cricket. Will make irrelevant comparisons

 

Typical Pakistani fan mentality

 

kKd has done his dues. Went back and scoredd bucket loads of runs and is a deserved selection .  

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21 hours ago, Pollack said:

What do you mean by opportunities given so far?  Are 4 t20 matches considered opportunities to judge him? Of those 4 t20 matches, in one match he faced just 3 balls and remained not out on 5. In one match he got out cheaply. In the remaining two he did score 23 and 38 albeit at run a ball i.e at a slower rate for t20s.Is this what you call given opportunity? If standards are such high India should have been sweeping every damn series and ICC trophies and bilateral tests and ODIs and T20s. And Rohit, Jadeja, Ishant, Umesh would have never made a career. Yours favourite Dhoni himself wouldn't have.Unfortunately whichever way you may want to twist your logic Pant has not been given proper opportunities inspite of deserving it.

Why are few like you obsessed with pant ? Why isnt anyone talking about Ishan Kishan?  am sure their are other keeper batsman why not them ? Pant as of today isnt the gilchrist avatar you think he is, he maybe in future but i know if saha is injured then DK is our best chance to contribute towards test win in england.

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1 hour ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Why are few like you obsessed with pant ? Why isnt anyone talking about Ishan Kishan?  am sure their are other keeper batsman why not them ? Pant as of today isnt the gilchrist avatar you think he is, he maybe in future but i know if saha is injured then DK is our best chance to contribute towards test win in england.

No one here seems obsessed with Pant, pant only gets attention because he has done quite well in the domestics (2016,2017seaaon)too.Fans here also know to differentiate between t20s and tests so no one seems bringing his stellar ipl  performance this year either..the thing is ,we as fans dont want to fall back to same old guys time and again,the lack of planning is quite apparant here,due to which we are left with situations like this,Kishan is super talented but the same logic can be applied for him too that he too doesn'tn have the backing of good performances atleast in the domestics,it is worth drooling to have both Pant,Kishan and other youngsters in the setup,I dont think noone discriminating here

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54 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

No one here seems obsessed with Pant, pant only gets attention because he has done quite well in the domestics (2016,2017seaaon)too.Fans here also know to differentiate between t20s and tests so no one seems bringing his stellar ipl  performance this year either..the thing is ,we as fans dont want to fall back to same old guys time and again,the lack of planning is quite apparant here,due to which we are left with situations like this,Kishan is super talented but the same logic can be applied for him too that he too doesn'tn have the backing of good performances atleast in the domestics,it is worth drooling to have both Pant,Kishan and other youngsters in the setup,I dont think noone discriminating here

Read title of thread if saha not available then play pant not if saha not available then we need to field a young keeper instead of DK or partiv. 

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8 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Read title of thread if saha not available then play pant not if saha not available then we need to field a young keeper instead of DK or partiv. 

No cricket team will field a young keeper with less FC experience in an important Test series. We already learned it the hard way with Parthiv Patel during the 2003 series.Keeping in Tests is a very hard job especially in England.

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33 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Read title of thread if saha not available then play pant not if saha not available then we need to field a young keeper instead of DK or partiv. 

Its not about trying a youngster in seaming Eng pitches nor about  Pant,the response was about why Kishan is out of the race?

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10 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Why are few like you obsessed with pant ? Why isnt anyone talking about Ishan Kishan?  am sure their are other keeper batsman why not them ? Pant as of today isnt the gilchrist avatar you think he is, he maybe in future but i know if saha is injured then DK is our best chance to contribute towards test win in england.

Ishan kishan Is good too. But at the moment Pant edges out him in both keeping skills and batting. I know Pant can be inconsistent at times but Kishan is even more inconsistent as of now. So obviously I will talk about Pant.I wasn't specifically talking about who should replace Saha in tests in England. Only contesting your opinion that Pant did not grab the opportunity which is absurd because he was never given a proper chance.

I want Pant in place of useless Raina who is probably dhoni's/shastri's sifarishi who has done zilch to justify his selection.

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Ishan kishan Is good too. But at the moment Pant edges out him in both keeping skills and batting. I know Pant can be inconsistent at times but Kishan is even more inconsistent as of now. So obviously I will talk about Pant.I wasn't specifically talking about who should replace Saha in tests in England. Only contesting your opinion that Pant did not grab the opportunity which is absurd because he was never given a proper chance.
I want Pant in place of useless Raina who is probably dhoni's/shastri's sifarishi who has done zilch to justify his selection.
I don't think Pant will get a chance right now in England even if he performs well enough.
It will be DK or Parthiv.
Don't think Kohli will trust a newbie much.

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2 hours ago, Pollack said:

Ishan kishan Is good too. But at the moment Pant edges out him in both keeping skills and batting. I know Pant can be inconsistent at times but Kishan is even more inconsistent as of now. So obviously I will talk about Pant.I wasn't specifically talking about who should replace Saha in tests in England. Only contesting your opinion that Pant did not grab the opportunity which is absurd because he was never given a proper chance.

I want Pant in place of useless Raina who is probably dhoni's/shastri's sifarishi who has done zilch to justify his selection.

See i just want us to win test series and DK today is a better choice than pant or any other keeper. Do you disagree ?

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3 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

See i just want us to win test series and DK today is a better choice than pant or any other keeper. Do you disagree ?

we never know a few drops by DK and it can be a nightmare. He is not a reliable keeper.

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6 hours ago, Pollack said:

Ishan kishan Is good too. But at the moment Pant edges out him in both keeping skills and batting. I know Pant can be inconsistent at times but Kishan is even more inconsistent as of now. So obviously I will talk about Pant.I wasn't specifically talking about who should replace Saha in tests in England. Only contesting your opinion that Pant did not grab the opportunity which is absurd because he was never given a proper chance.

I want Pant in place of useless Raina who is probably dhoni's/shastri's sifarishi who has done zilch to justify his selection.

which keeper is relaly consistent with the bat? Was Dhoni consistent who averages under 30 overseas without a single 100? why are we looking for a Bradman as a wicket keeper?

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16 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Why are few like you obsessed with pant ? Why isnt anyone talking about Ishan Kishan?  am sure their are other keeper batsman why not them ? Pant as of today isnt the gilchrist avatar you think he is, he maybe in future but i know if saha is injured then DK is our best chance to contribute towards test win in england.

Ishan's keeping is not up to the mark yet. A keeper needs to be a good keeper first at least in tests.  DK is a dropper, so, he isnt the best choice.  you may think because he has experience but so does Parthiv who also played last test series in absence of Saha.  Till when we will keep looking back to TTFs and not invest in future?

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On 7/11/2018 at 7:25 PM, Tibarn said:

I wonder why Naman Ohja fell off the face of the Earth... 

Ojha is going to turn 35 in 8 days time on paper.  we better recall Dhoni if we have to pick Ojha.  At least Dhoni has ekshperience.

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2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Ishan's keeping is not up to the mark yet. A keeper needs to be a good keeper first at least in tests.  DK is a dropper, so, he isnt the best choice.  you may think because he has experience but so does Parthiv who also played last test series in absence of Saha.  Till when we will keep looking back to TTFs and not invest in future?

DK is big no.

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4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Ojha is going to turn 35 in 8 days time on paper.  we better recall Dhoni if we have to pick Ojha.  At least Dhoni has ekshperience.

Even Saha is 33, fast approaching 34. If we are looking for a stop gap for a single series or even a few Test matches in this series, Ohja is a decent bet. I think DK drops too many chances, and  it's confirmed Parthiv does. 

 

Pant, of course, is ideal, but it doesn't seem he is being fast-tracked into the team. It seems management will only insert him after more seasoning in Ranji and LOIs.

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We saw Chahar and Shardul being picked in T20Is and ODIs respectively based on 50-over A team performances.

 

Now,  Pant  has  all of  7 dismissals behind the stumps  (  including a spectacular catch )   and 67 not out off 71 balls in a critical run chase to win it for his team in the only 4-day match he has played so far in England.

 

Will we see fairness prevail in the selection process for test matches too     ????

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42 minutes ago, express bowling said:

We saw Chahar and Shardul being picked in T20Is and ODIs respectively based on 50-over A team performances.

 

Now,  Pant  has  all of  7 dismissals behind the stumps  (  including a spectacular catch )   and 67 not out off 71 balls in a critical run chase to win it for his team in the only 4-day match he has played so far in England.

 

Will we see fairness prevail in the selection process for test matches too     ????

It is the job of Indian fans to see past stupid cliches of ''experience'' and create pressure/hype for Pant selection. Unfortunately, many still back DK or Parthiv even for the next 5 years, because ''experience'' or Pant's ''lack of experience''.

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