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Have always been a big supporter of Rahul on this forum so need to get this off my chest.

 

Huge talent, athletic, great hand-eye, good technique, pleasing to the eye, peak age, has mental reserves (mental midgets can't do what he did against Australia in 2017)....yet somehow is under-performing . I agree team selections in 2016-17 hit him hard and his own injuries didn't help matters, but what he has done of late is his own doing.

 

T20s->only format where he seems to thrive. Flat pitches, cannon fodder bowlers, no need of thinking because of the instinctive nature of the format.....he has done extremely well yet been shabbily treated by management, so no complaints. I personally don't care about T20s so am not aware of his flaws there.

 

T50S-> Ill treated by management who prefer talentless hacks and pensioners in the middle order. KLR can't break through into top 3 without high quality performances in whatever limited chances he gets. But agree he has been very inconsistent and unambitious. Seems to lose focus after 5 minutes and plays idiotic shots to get out. Potential is there but underwhelming. If he wants to force his way into a preffered slot (top 3) he needs to prove his pedigree first. Again I don't care about T50s but whatever little I have seen he has big issues w.r.t shot selection. 

 

Tests-> My main point of worry. I thought he would derive great confidence from 2017 Aus series but never really kicked on. Got injured here and there but even in home matches after that he lazily threw away his good starts. Can't afford to be so complacent, needs to have the killer instinct and take more responsibility. His last test 100 was against England in 2016. When he first emerged on the scene he would either deal in 100s or single digits. Had 100s in his 1st series in Aus, WI, Lanka (2015)..all tough places to bat for a youngster. But now he deals in 50s (home) or <10 scores (overseas). Where is the hunger? In SA and England across 4 tests he has done zilch, zero discipline and sheer lack of courage and tenacity. Vijay had a 45 and a vital 25 in SA, Che had an important 50 in Jo'berg, Rahane did well in Jo'berg....KLR is the only batsman who didn't cross 16 even once in 8 attempts !!!! That is huge injustice to his talent. His poor shot selection compounded by the urge to feel the deliveries early on have wrecked his reputation. Where is the goddamn patience? Can't get away with those loose pokes and leg glances of straight deliveries like in the subcontinent. Very poor idea about his own game and now a confidence crisis to add. This series may break his career if he doesn't wake up. He has the technique and the shots, just needs to see off the 1st 30 odd deliveries before going for them. He is primarily born to dominate like Aravinda, Ponting, KP but doesn't respect the conditions like them first up. No reason why he can't turn around his test career like Kohli did in 2014-15 Australia. But will he?

 

The real concerning part is his **** attitude. He is more busy modelling and attending Page 3 events these days compared to trying to sort out his game. The laziness is discernibly visible in the way he is batting off late. Spending too much time with Pandya, wannabe attempts at coolness, dating C grade Bollywood starlets, playing peekaboo with paparazzi etc seem to occupy most of his attention. Kid is from Bengaluru, he can invest that time in NCA or talking batting with the likes of Dravid and Vishy, fine gents who will definitely have solid advice. Kohli after 2014 England spent time in the nets with SRT, Dravid and nobody is a harder worker than him, KLR wants to imitate VK's off field persona without going through the on field grind like his captain. The results are there in front of us, he is slowly moving towards the path of irrelevance. If that's what he wants he will fail not just himself but also Indian cricket which is in desperate shortage of quality batsmen. About time higher ups have a few tough words with him, the worst sin anyone can commit is throw away one's innate talent and such people deserve zero sympathy. 

 

His contemporaries like Chandimal, Markram, Bairstow, Kock, Babar Azam etc may not have his talent but will very soon steal a march on him if he continues to remain a headcase. 

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His time is already over.
 
Whole team has modelling competition going on. Rahul doesn't want to be left out.
 
If "bar and pub" coach selected by captain could set up fighting for cricket environment then only someone would try to do that.
Model?? None of them look good...if anything Rahul looks pretty unhygenic with those taatoos etc. And they consider them models?? LMAO :facepalm:

Look at Woakes...he is a handsome lad in real world. But focus more on game than looks/which actor to date etc. The last handsome cricketer India had was Rahul Dravid.

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No point moaning. No batsman can do anything in these conditions against this attack. Just accept it and move on. 
That is not true. Yes it was tough in 1st innings but ball was not swinging much today. Rahul missed a straight ball which Woakes was defending whole day. Rahane got out chasing a wide one. None of them were unplayable deliveries.

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Model?? None of them look good...if anything Rahul looks pretty unhygenic with those taatoos etc. And they consider them models?? LMAO facepalm.gif

Look at Woakes...he is a handsome lad in real world. But focus more on game than looks/which actor to date etc. The last handsome cricketer India had was Rahul Dravid.

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Dude you just typed out my words.
I think Pant and Shardul Thakur look handsome in the squad.
Pant has a cute, innocent look to him.
Will be a good plus sized model.

Woakes' smile just charmed me!!
Even Broad and Curran are good looking.
Anderson was also considered hot back in his younger days.

The rest of the Indian team is not good looking at all but still can improve their looks by 2 grades if they clean shave and wear more normal clothes and at last - don't behave like a wannabe

Ganguly was good looking too.
Yeah, Rahul Dravid is 45 but still hasn't aged much.
He's a true example of a good looking guy.


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46 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Have always been a big supporter of Rahul on this forum so need to get this off my chest.

 

Huge talent, athletic, great hand-eye, good technique, pleasing to the eye, peak age, has mental reserves (mental midgets can't do what he did against Australia in 2017)....yet somehow is under-performing . I agree team selections in 2016-17 hit him hard and his own injuries didn't help matters, but what he has done of late is his own doing.

 

T20s->only format where he seems to thrive. Flat pitches, cannon fodder bowlers, no need of thinking because of the instinctive nature of the format.....he has done extremely well yet been shabbily treated by management, so no complaints. I personally don't care about T20s so am not aware of his flaws there.

 

T50S-> Ill treated by management who prefer talentless hacks and pensioners in the middle order. KLR can't break through into top 3 without high quality performances in whatever limited chances he gets. But agree he has been very inconsistent and unambitious. Seems to lose focus after 5 minutes and plays idiotic shots to get out. Potential is there but underwhelming. If he wants to force his way into a preffered slot (top 3) he needs to prove his pedigree first. Again I don't care about T50s but whatever little I have seen he has big issues w.r.t shot selection. 

 

Tests-> My main point of worry. I thought he would derive great confidence from 2017 Aus series but never really kicked on. Got injured here and there but even in home matches after that he lazily threw away his good starts. Can't afford to be so complacent, needs to have the killer instinct and take more responsibility. His last test 100 was against England in 2016. When he first emerged on the scene he would either deal in 100s or single digits. Had 100s in his 1st series in Aus, WI, Lanka (2015)..all tough places to bat for a youngster. But now he deals in 50s (home) or <10 scores (overseas). Where is the hunger? In SA and England across 4 tests he has done zilch, zero discipline and sheer lack of courage and tenacity. Vijay had a 45 and a vital 25 in SA, Che had an important 50 in Jo'berg, Rahane did well in Jo'berg....KLR is the only batsman who didn't cross 16 even once in 8 attempts !!!! That is huge injustice to his talent. His poor shot selection compounded by the urge to feel the deliveries early on have wrecked his reputation. Where is the goddamn patience? Can't get away with those loose pokes and leg glances of straight deliveries like in the subcontinent. Very poor idea about his own game and now a confidence crisis to add. This series may break his career if he doesn't wake up. He has the technique and the shots, just needs to see off the 1st 30 odd deliveries before going for them. He is primarily born to dominate like Aravinda, Ponting, KP but doesn't respect the conditions like them first up. No reason why he can't turn around his test career like Kohli did in 2014-15 Australia. But will he?

 

The real concerning part is his **** attitude. He is more busy modelling and attending Page 3 events these days compared to trying to sort out his game. The laziness is discernibly visible in the way he is batting off late. Spending too much time with Pandya, wannabe attempts at coolness, dating C grade Bollywood starlets, playing peekaboo with paparazzi etc seem to occupy most of his attention. Kid is from Bengaluru, he can invest that time in NCA or talking batting with the likes of Dravid and Vishy, fine gents who will definitely have solid advice. Kohli after 2014 England spent time in the nets with SRT, Dravid and nobody is a harder worker than him, KLR wants to imitate VK's off field persona without going through the on field grind like his captain. The results are there in front of us, he is slowly moving towards the path of irrelevance. If that's what he wants he will fail not just himself but also Indian cricket which is in desperate shortage of quality batsmen. About time higher ups have a few tough words with him, the worst sin anyone can commit is throw away one's innate talent and such people deserve zero sympathy. 

 

His contemporaries like Chandimal, Markram, Bairstow, Kock, Babar Azam etc may not have his talent but will very soon steal a march on him if he continues to remain a headcase. 

Err Bhai I think the players you mentioned have already left him behind.

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19 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Model?? None of them look good...if anything Rahul looks pretty unhygenic with those taatoos etc. And they consider them models?? LMAO :facepalm:

Look at Woakes...he is a handsome lad in real world. But focus more on game than looks/which actor to date etc. The last handsome cricketer India had was Rahul Dravid.

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Rahul model :laugh: One can say a popular cricketer but model. Ek se ek zampu dikhte hai. batting ka standard to sabne gira diya hai, ab modelling ka to mat girao. 

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28 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

No point moaning. No batsman can do anything in these conditions against this attack. Just accept it and move on. 

Chris Woakes of all people scored a century in these conditions.

If our batsmen tried to apply themselves they could have done a LOT.

For the love of God, learn to criticise them for once and not play devil's advocate all the time.

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1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

Rahul model :laugh: One can say a popular cricketer but model. Ek se ek zampu dikhte hai. batting ka standard to sabne gira diya hai, ab modelling ka to mat girao. 

I wouldn't have believed it myself either but go to his Instagram page and you would realize he seriously considers himself one.

Him and that bhikhari Pandya.

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1 minute ago, Stradlater said:

Chris Woakes of all people scored a century in these conditions.

If our batsmen tried to apply themselves they could have done a LOT.

For the love of God, learn to criticise them for once and not play devil's advocate all the time.

Our batsmen didn't get to face Indian bowlers. There's a lot difference between the quality of the bowlers both teams faced. 

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Id rather persist with raul and possibly bat him down the order in SENA conditions,he's better off at #5 .in Australia,nzl he can do well at #3 . 

Raul shouldn't be discarded so easily ,give him this full overseas cycle ,it's not as if we have plethora of backups 

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45 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

His time is already over.

 

Whole team has modelling competition going on. Rahul doesn't want to be left out.

 

If "bar and pub" coach selected by captain could set up fighting for cricket environment then only someone would try to do that.

He looks more like Sunil Shetty to me of Border and Dhadkan :p:

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Our batsmen didn't get to face Indian bowlers. There's a lot difference between the quality of the bowlers both teams faced. 

Bhai aise to excuses banate raho phir hamesha. Their batting lineup wasn't exactly earth shattering either with many passengers in the team and yet we couldn't do jack.

Fact of the matter is we failed to exploit the conditions ripe for fast bowling and allowed lower order batsmen to dominate and snatch the game away from us.

This team deserves every bit of criticism directed at it.

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i think leave apart vijay and dhawan nobody needs to be dropped. i am sympathetic to karthik and have a slight bias , so i would want to give him one more chance as a batsman before discarding him for eternity from tests.

 

rahane and pujara have 3 more chances. let pant come in for vijay and lets do some out of the box thinking for openers.

 

if the next 3 are washouts as well from a batting standpoint, then we should look ahead and get the next 4 - mayank,shaw,vihari and possibly gill . even if they fail no problem.

 

i feel pant is a certainity going forward. let pant play the next 8 tests. ( 3 here and 5 in australia). 

 

DK - one more chance( a century needed in 3rd test)

pujara - 3 more ( at least one century and a 50 required from 6 innings )

Rahane - 3 more ( at least one century and a 50 required from 6 innings )

KL rahul - 3 more ( at least one century and a 50 required from 6 innings )

 

pant - no expectations( 3 50s in 16 possible  innings would be awesome)

 

 

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1 hour ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

That is not true. Yes it was tough in 1st innings but ball was not swinging much today. Rahul missed a straight ball which Woakes was defending whole day. Rahane got out chasing a wide one. None of them were unplayable deliveries.

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This happens when ball moves both ways. Did you even see how the ball swung to Kohli and Karthik?

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49 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

Chris Woakes of all people scored a century in these conditions.

If our batsmen tried to apply themselves they could have done a LOT.

For the love of God, learn to criticise them for once and not play devil's advocate all the time.

Chris woakes didn't exactly had to bat in these conditions. Are you blind?

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Show patience with him, even kohli failed in WI n ENG in his 1st tour

these are tough condition, everyone is struggling. Rahul is the best batting talent and if u cnt show patience with him,......then i fear for others

 

Some times failures is good, it helps a player better his game

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4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Chris woakes didn't exactly had to bat in these conditions. Are you blind?

Keep coming up these excuses and this team will remain shyte.

It's fans like you who are blind in the Bhakti and refuse to accept flaws.

I'm sure you are looking forward to the next MI vs CSK game where your hero Pandya will shut critics up once and for all. 

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I think the OP @Gollum is shooting the gun too early!

 

Yes, there are worrying signs but I will wait until I give a full series to KL Rahul before making a judgement. Remember, even if he takes the mantle of "worst series ever by a visiting batsman to England", I will not loose hope but will want him to make a case in Australia. But if he fails in Australia 4 test series too in a similar way, then there will be alarm bells on KL Rahul's international career and I will want him to go back to domestics/IndiaA in the longer format and hone his skills/temperament and make a comeback based on his performances. 

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3 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

Err Bhai I think the players you mentioned have already left him behind.

That's my Indian bias talking :p:. But in all honesty those players have some glaring weak points in their overall game. They are around Rahul's level right now but pretty sure they will work to eliminate their flaws. Rahul meanwhile....:sad_smile:

 

 

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1 hour ago, Stradlater said:

Bhai aise to excuses banate raho phir hamesha. Their batting lineup wasn't exactly earth shattering either with many passengers in the team and yet we couldn't do jack.

Fact of the matter is we failed to exploit the conditions ripe for fast bowling and allowed lower order batsmen to dominate and snatch the game away from us.

This team deserves every bit of criticism directed at it.

That's what I said. It's a test between the bowlers and one team has failed to make use of the conditions. Letting England to have a lead of 300 will make it even more difficult for batsmen. 

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Just now, Lannister said:

That's what I said. It's a test between the bowlers and one team has failed to make use of the conditions. Letting England to have a lead of 300 will make it even more difficult for batsmen. 

Yaar you are unnecessarily blaming bowlers just to shield Rahul. Rahul has been an embarrassment in test cricket for quite a while now just like the entire batting order bar Kohli. You need to accept that Rahul has been disgraceful away from the comforts of home. 

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31 minutes ago, InziRules said:

You don't develop talent by giving him two tests against England in swinging conditions, and then dropping them.

 

You give them time to improve, if you think they have the ability. I personally think he lacks the temperament to be a test batsman, and that's a big flaw that Shastri can't fix, but another coach might. 

thats how bewda and cheerleader rkohli  develop talent ,they have been dropping rahul for the last 2 years whenever they feel like it.

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8 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Yaar you are unnecessarily blaming bowlers just to shield Rahul. Rahul has been an embarrassment in test cricket for quite a while now just like the entire batting order bar Kohli. You need to accept that Rahul has been disgraceful away from the comforts of home. 

The bowlers couldn't even get them all out in the first innings. How can you defend such pathetic performance on a wicket like this. 

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14 minutes ago, Lannister said:

The bowlers couldn't even get them all out in the first innings. How can you defend such pathetic performance on a wicket like this. 

Repeating myself for the umpteenth time.

1. We had the wrong combination...blame Kohli for selection blunder...who picks spinners in these conditions?

2. We were without our 2 best bowlers because of team management's lunacy.
3. Yesterday was sunny and easier to bat, everyone agrees so. Had our batsmen showed more spine and batted 34 overs without getting bowled out they would have got good batting conditions yesterday, but no these FTBs can't even play a session without shitting their pants. Rewatch how Dravid-Bangar negotiated conditions 10x worse in 2002 Headingley...pity the current losers don't even have the guts of their batting coach. 

 

I agree with all impediments our bowling was pathetic but batting even more so and twice at that. Bowlers stepped up in Birmingham and SA...batsmen and catchers let them down there. Forget this match, Rahul failed in Edgbaston, Rahul failed in Jo'berg, Rahul failed in Centurion, Rahul's last 100 was in 2016, Rahul is in downwards spiral and seems lost. If you can't come to terms with these irrefutable facts no point arguing. As a Rahul fan you should be more concerned (just like me) about the current state of his game and descent into FTB territory....please stop talking about bowlers after all that has happened this year. 

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This guy   is pretty polarizing for fans

 

On his good days, some will say he should replace Rohit as ODI opener, he should replace Dhawan as ODI opener, other days he is the technically best batsman for India across formats.

 

When he does bad, he either needs more more experience, should be backed because he is so talented, or his time is running out now. 

 

Really, he is a player who doesn't have a consistent position in the batting order and hasn't had a consistent run. 

 

This is the problem with a horses for courses policy that some people on here were advocating for the batsmen. Batsmen need a defined role and a steady run to reveal their quality. The top 3 of India in Tests is a game of musical chairs between 4 players. All look mediocre now.   

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7 hours ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:


 

 


Dude you just typed out my words.
I think Pant and Shardul Thakur look handsome in the squad.
Pant has a cute, innocent look to him.
Will be a good plus sized model.

Woakes' smile just charmed me!!
Even Broad and Curran are good looking.
Anderson was also considered hot back in his younger days.

The rest of the Indian team is not good looking at all but still can improve their looks by 2 grades if they clean shave and wear more normal clothes and at last - don't behave like a wannabe

Ganguly was good looking too.
Yeah, Rahul Dravid is 45 but still hasn't aged much.
He's a true example of a good looking guy.


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Rahul looks like a proper "uncle" now

 

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1.  I would persist with KL Rahul for the next 10 tests atleast , and want him to be backed strongly.

 

2.  That being said, I am not sure that Rahul, and most other young batsmen all over the world, are that serious about test cricket nowadays. Most perform at home, because they are used to the conditions. But, they do not put in enough effort to adapt their game to foreign conditions.

 

When we consider under-30 batsmen these days, we have a few highly talented and motivated individuals doing well all over the world... like Kohli, Smith, Williamson and Root.  But they are few and far between. Most young batsmen try to model their games for T20s first and then the longer formats.  They know where their priorities lie. 

 

3.  Rahul is now averaging just 37.x after all of 26 tests.   Let us not say it was just the conditions in this match or this  series.  A talent like him should have averaged atleast 42 to 45 range at this stage of his career. Something is not right.

 

4.  Although not strictly pertinent to this topic, I really liked the intensity that Bumrah showed in his debut series in SA. He looked like the leader of the attack by the 3rd test.  

 

We often hear about Indian pacers unable to find the right length and even line on their first round of test tours out of Asia. Bumrah did it by his 2nd test.  When you see this, you know that this guy wants to succeed and is thinking about how to succeed.

 

I don't see this hunger for success yet in Rahul. Maybe he will mature later ... he is a big talent and I hope he does. I really want him to do well.

 

5.  I would not compare the performances of our batters with the English. They are playing in  "used to "  home conditions and grow up playing swing and seam movement.   Yet, they had to be rescued by bottom 5 batters twice in three innings.  If we had Bumrah and Bhuvi ... they would have fared even worse.

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2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

1.  I would persist with KL Rahul for the next 10 tests. 

 

2.  That being said, I am not sure that Rahul, and most other young batsmen all over the world, are that serious about test cricket nowadays. Most perform at home, because they are used to the conditions. But, they do not put in enough effort to adapt their game to foreign conditions.

 

When we consider under-30 batsmen these days, we have a few highly talented and motivated individuals doing well all over the world... like Kohli, Smith, Williamson and Root.  But they are few and far between. Most young batsmen try to model their games for T20s first and then the longer formats.  They know where their priorities lie. 

 

3.  Rahul is now averaging just 37.x after all of 26 tests.   Let us not say it was just the conditions in this match or this  series.  A talent like him should have averaged atleast 42 to 45 range at this stage of his career. Something is not right.

 

4.  Although not strictly pertinent to this topic, I really liked the intensity that Bumrah showed in his debut series in SA. He looked like the leader of the attack by the 3rd test.  

 

We often hear about Indian pacers unable to find the right length and even line on their first round of test tours out of Asia. Bumrah did it by his 2nd test.  When you see this, you know that this guy wants to succeed and is thinking about how to succeed.

 

I don't see this hunger for success yet in Rahul. Maybe he will mature later ... he is a big talent and I hope he does. I really want him to do well.

 

5.  I would not compare the performance of our batters with the English. They are playing in  "used to "  home conditions and grow up playing swing and seam movement.   Yet, they had to be rescued by bottom 5 batters twice in three innings.  If we had Bumrah and Bhuvi ... they would have fared even worse.

Great post and analysis. I am very worried about Rahul losing his way despite the wonderful 100 in Sydney he scored.

 

Looks an attacking player, but needs to step it up in Test Cricket.

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7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Chris woakes didn't exactly had to bat in these conditions. Are you blind?

Chris Woakes batting comfortably yesterday. A few minutes after India comes to bat and start dancing on the pitch. In second innings of India it wasn't unplayable. But yes very relentless bowling by England yet again. Gave absolutely no relief at any point.

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9 hours ago, Stradlater said:

I wouldn't have believed it myself either but go to his Instagram page and you would realize he seriously considers himself one.

Him and that bhikhari Pandya.

So does every damn Indian with an instagram.Nothing new here.

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8 hours ago, Gollum said:

Repeating myself for the umpteenth time.

1. We had the wrong combination...blame Kohli for selection blunder...who picks spinners in these conditions?

2. We were without our 2 best bowlers because of team management's lunacy.
3. Yesterday was sunny and easier to bat, everyone agrees so. Had our batsmen showed more spine and batted 34 overs without getting bowled out they would have got good batting conditions yesterday, but no these FTBs can't even play a session without shitting their pants. Rewatch how Dravid-Bangar negotiated conditions 10x worse in 2002 Headingley...pity the current losers don't even have the guts of their batting coach. 

 

I agree with all impediments our bowling was pathetic but batting even more so and twice at that. Bowlers stepped up in Birmingham and SA...batsmen and catchers let them down there. Forget this match, Rahul failed in Edgbaston, Rahul failed in Jo'berg, Rahul failed in Centurion, Rahul's last 100 was in 2016, Rahul is in downwards spiral and seems lost. If you can't come to terms with these irrefutable facts no point arguing. As a Rahul fan you should be more concerned (just like me) about the current state of his game and descent into FTB territory....please stop talking about bowlers after all that has happened this year. 

So you are saying they batted in a much better conditions compared to Indian batsmen. Then there's your answer why the batsmen have failed. 

 

Their fourth seamer looked better than our two strike bowlers, who were going at a runrate of over 4 per over. Saying we picked up a wrong combination and that our 2 best bowlers were not available are just a poor excuse. 

 

Rahul is not the only one who failed here and this is his first tour to England. 

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6 hours ago, Pollack said:

Chris Woakes batting comfortably yesterday. A few minutes after India comes to bat and start dancing on the pitch. In second innings of India it wasn't unplayable. But yes very relentless bowling by England yet again. Gave absolutely no relief at any point.

 

Woakes did not bat comfortably on day 4.   Shami bowled 8 jaffas to him in 4 overs  and could hardly put bat to ball against Shami.  Was extremely lucky to survive.

 

Hussain pointed out that stats were showing ... Woakes had played and missed 11 times the whole of day 3 while scoring his century ... But had played and missed 8 times in 4 overs from Shami on day 4.

 

The sun was shining brightly on day 3 with no clouds ... so minimum swing.  

There was cloud cover and intermittent rain on day 4 ... so there was more swing.

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5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Woakes did not bat comfortably on day 4.   Shami bowled 8 jaffas to him in 4 overs  and could hardly put bat to ball against Shami.  Was extremely lucky to survive.

 

Hussain pointed out that stats were showing ... Woakes had played and missed 11 times the whole of day 3 while scoring his century ... But had played and missed 8 times in 4 overs from Shami on day 4.

 

The sun was shining brightly on day 3 with no clouds ... so minimum swing.  

There was cloud cover and intermittent rain on day 4 ... so there was more swing.

So Shami bowled 8 Jaffas in 4 overs and still conditions were better for batsman. :confused: conditions were decent for both batting and bowling.

Oh yeah! We were unlucky to get wicket. Age old excuse. Truth is Woakes survived and to me looked pretty comfortable. This is because we bowled filth. Shami was obviously decent throughout the match. But Shami was not the only bowler.

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7 hours ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:


 

 


He still looks better than 90% of Indian men at the same age.


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Also, I think in the picture he is out of a workout or something. He is not ready like how one can for a formal event or so. In that case, he might look much much better than most men of his age (even with their makeup etc.). 

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4 hours ago, Pollack said:

So Shami bowled 8 Jaffas in 4 overs and still conditions were better for batsman. :confused: conditions were decent for both batting and bowling.

 

Read what I had written before " debating "  strongly.

 

Let me repeat ...

Conditions were relatively easier for batting on Day 3 ( as the sun was shining brightly and there were no clouds and hence much less swing ).  On this day, we were able to beat Woakes only 11 times throughout the day.

 

On day 4,  it was raining on and off and quite cloudy and more consistent swing was avsilable.  On this day, in the first hour, Shami beat Woakes 8 times in only 4 overs.   

 

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Oh yeah! We were unlucky to get wicket. Age old excuse. Truth is Woakes survived and to me looked pretty comfortable. This is because we bowled filth. Shami was obviously decent throughout the match. But Shami was not the only bowler.

 

Where does the question of excuse arise !   I was merely pointing out the prevailing conditions and the ensuing results on 2 different days.

 

Obviously, our bowling attack was not as effective as it could have been.  When the captain plays only 2 specialist fast bowlers ( which includes an Ishant )  in conditions which are far more pro-pacer than pro-spinner ... what can we expect ?  Shami was the only effective specialist bowler we had in these conditions.

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